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The list was promoted by Giants2008 00:16, 25 August 2015 [1].

List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Stuart Broad[edit]

List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Stuart Broad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 17:20, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, on Thursday just gone, we witnessed one of the greatest bowling displays from an English cricketer in the history of the game. With his performance, Stuart Broad unlocked the door to 300+ wickets, became the fourth greatest English bowler of all-time and snuck onto the foot of the 15 or more fifers chart. I knocked this list up in the last 24 hours and humbly submit it to the scrutiny of the community. Note: I have another, similar, list here at FLC, but it has two supports and an indication from a third editor that they see no major problems other than the one they pointed out. As ever, my thanks to anyone and everyone who takes the time to participate in this process. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:20, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: The Rambling Man, the prose is professionally written and the lede meets the criteria outlined in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section and is both engaging and comprehensive in content. The list itself is in keeping with the standards set forth by other featured "lists of international cricket five-wicket hauls." I also prefer the key being placed in a table, as it is here. More importantly, the references cited are verifiable and are in keeping with Wikipedia standards. The first image is licensed CC BY 2.0 and the second image is licensed CC BY-SA 1.0, so both are acceptable for use here. Great job and thank you for your continued contributions to Wikipedia. -- West Virginian (talk) 02:27, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from —Vensatry (ping)
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  • As of 9 August 2015 – Do we really need the date here?
    Since we're in the middle of a Test series, yep. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sure "all-time combined five-wicket haul takers" can be rephrased in a better way. Also, not sure if 'five-wicket haul takers' is good English
    Reworded. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    What about 'five-wicket haul takers'? —Vensatry (ping) 11:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Not sure I see a major problem here, we say "he took a five-wicket haul" so he's a "five-wicket haul taker", no? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I cannot find this usage outside our WP lists. —Vensatry (ping) 11:32, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Reworded. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link Kingston in the lead
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    You use Kingston in one sentence and Trent Bridge in another. Be consistent —Vensatry (ping) 11:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Sabina Park. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In Test matches, Broad has been most successful against Australia, taking six of his fourteen five-wicket Test hauls against them." – 'Test' and the 'against them' bit are redundant.
    Reworded, but yuck. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He took the only wicket, that of Shoaib Malik, in a rain-curtailed match" – You need be more clear here; earlier England were bowled out in the first innings.
    More clearer. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why 'one-day' format and not 'One Day'? Also, something is missing in the sentence.
    Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The ODI table says his fifer came against India in 2007, which again is wrong (guess you remodeled the Mitchell Johnson list).
    Indeed, massive oversight, fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Riverside Ground image needs alt text
    Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    The double dagger thing should be added for the twin fifer that he took at the Riverside Ground. —Vensatry (ping) 11:35, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why aren't the cities linked in he "Venue" col.?
    Avoid linking common geographical terms. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree, we shouldn't link countries. But not sure if all cities fall under 'major geographical regions'. Also, in that case you shouldn't have linked Kingston in the lead. —Vensatry (ping) 11:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Replaced with Sabina Park. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This one is a personal preference. Given that, he first played ODIs and took his first ODI fifer before Tests the lead and table could follow a chronological ordering.

—Vensatry (ping) 09:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yeah, I've tended to stick to Tests, then ODIs, then T20Is in all of these kind of things, regardless. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comments, I hopefully have addressed them. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 22:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "the first Test of the 2008–09 series in Sabina Park," should it be at instead of in?
  • "pick up a fifer..." perhaps take a fifer?

Apart from those two slightly pedantic comments, I see little wrong with this list, great work. NapHit (talk) 19:49, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Both fixed as you suggested, thanks for your comments! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:03, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Great work. NapHit (talk) 22:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Harrias
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  • Could the phrase "As of 9 August 2015, Broad has taken 308 wickets in Test matches, 177 wickets in ODIs and 65 wickets in T20Is." Be re-written so that it wouldn't need updating so often to keep it up to date? Something more like "has taken over 300 wickets in Test matches, and almost 250 across ODI and T20Is." Actually, that sounds pretty pants, so maybe not!
    I'm only keeping it like that until the end of this Test, I'll make sure it's updated accordingly after this omnishambles we're experiencing! The Rambling Man (talk) 07:07, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough. Harrias talk 07:11, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure that "fifer" is encyclopaedic language that we should be using in prose.
    Excised. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:07, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps add Jamaica into the location for the first ground? Harrias talk 07:04, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, fair enough so it isn't confused with other Kingstons. Done, thanks again! The Rambling Man (talk) 07:07, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Thanks for resolving my concerns nice and quickly, nice list. Harrias talk 07:11, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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