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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 07:12, 11 April 2009 [1].

List of awards and nominations received by Ratatouille[edit]

Nominator(s): Diaa abdelmoneim (talk)
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I am nominating this for featured list because it has fulfilled all FL criterias and is in my opinion FL quality. It has the required FL prose length and is well referenced from reliable sources. Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 05:05, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think what CB meant was that each award should be in its own section, like the current FLC of List of awards and nominations received by WALL-E, which I also question.--₮RUCӨ 21:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Should it be like List of No Country for Old Men awards and nominations ? Please give an example--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 12:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I did give you an example, the WALL-E list.--₮RUCӨ 21:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Explanations

'Question

I'm not sure, Ratatouille didn't have the success as WALL-E, and I tend to agree in a way that this could fit better in the article's section.--₮RUCӨ 22:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ratatouille was a huge success, maybe not as much as WALL-E, but certainly enough to have an awards page. The list is still incomplete. I will address it tomorrow because it's now 1:00 am. Please look into List of awards and nominations received by WALL-E so I can know what it takes for a list to become featured. I need to know what the problems are so I would fix them in the future without repeated reviews. Thank you, --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Basically the table format and the type of info in the lead section. Its incomplete? You shouldn't nominate an article for FLC if its incomplete.--₮RUCӨ 20:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The list is now complete. I thought it was complete when I nominated it, but when I saw all the awards that a film can receive, I found some that Ratatouille received. What do you mean with the table format? Should I make sections for the most important awards and list the rest on an "Other awards" section? And I will expand the prose, but please explain what's wrong with it.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 09:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well the table had a column year, but was unexpectedly removed, so hold off on that. So for now, just the lead comment should be addressed before I can fully review.--₮RUCӨ 23:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can the lead still not be expanded? Or is that all that can be summarized in the lead?--Best, ₮RUCӨ 15:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Will expand the lead and add the year column.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Diaa abdelmoneim (talk • contribs)
Please also add the year as to when the awards were given to Ratatouille as seen in the WALL-E list.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 02:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) There are quite a few basic proofreading errors, such as forgetting to italicize films and simple grammar issues. In the future, please find someone to quickly look through lists before nominating for FLC.
  • Does "rat" really need to be linked. I would be very surprised if readers did not know what they were.
  • "dreams to become a chef"-->dreams of becoming a chef
  • "The film is also on the 2007 top ten lists"
  • "of multiple critics including"-->of multiple critics, including
  • "the Baltimore Sun"-->The Baltimore Sun
  • "as number 2"-->as number two
  • "It was nominated for five Academy Awards" Comma after here.
  • "winning only the last one"
  • "Further more Ratatouille "-->Ratatouille
  • "13 Annie Awards including twice in the Best Animated Effects"-->13 Annie Awards, twice for Best Animated Effects
  • "where it lost to Surf's Up"-->losing to Surf's Up
  • "It won the Best Animated Feature Award from multiple associations"-->It won the Best Animated Feature Award from multiple associations
  • Blank cells need em dashes (—). Dabomb87 (talk) 16:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done fixed all question though: What should be italicized and what shouldn't ? Should Pixar be italicized and walt disney?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Film names and publications should be italicized. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

  • All publications (journals, magazines and newspaepers) should be italicized. Examples: The New York Times, USA Today, Variety.
  • "Metro.co.uk"-->Metro
  • Why is IMDb used? It is generally not a reliable source.
  • Spell out HFPA in the publisher of ref 9.
  • Ref 4, why are the dates linked? They should not be. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done IMDB is used because the official website of the award association: http://www.ace-filmeditors.org/newace/eddieNominees.html refers the user to IMDB as a database of older awards.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to say thank you for this deep review.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • SupportReview by Truco (talk · contribs) -- I don't know the issues on the table formatting, but from my view its fine. Meets WP:WIAFL standards.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 01:31, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
  • Ratatouille was released to both critical acclaim and box office success, opening in 3,940 theaters domestically and debuting at #1 with $47 million,[1] grossing further $206,445,654 in North America and a total of $624,445,654 worldwide -- add to before $206,445,654
  • It was nominated for five Academy Awards, including Original Score, Achievement in Sound Editing, Achievement in Sound Mixing, Original Screenplay and Animated Feature Film, winning the last one. -- last one should be latter
References
  • Ref 10| What is IMDB verifying? Per WP:RS, its not a reliable source.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 01:22, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
finished all. Done--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Same question I asked in the WALL-E FLC, is there a reason why the table has invisible borders? I tried it as a wikitable and I think it looks more organized and easier to read. By the way, there is an image of Brad Bird with his Oscar, why isn't it used here? -- Scorpion0422 15:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hey nice catch. It's now in the list. Thanks.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't think Year is an accurate header. Can you call it something else, such as "Ceremony"? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to "Date of ceremony". Think this fits better.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 11:49, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I fixed the formatting of the page which was screwed up by the image (I uploaded a cropped version, made it smaller, and added {{-}}). Is there a reason why I am being ignored every time I ask about the table format? -- Scorpion0422 15:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I thought you fixed the border thing. Anyway, I don't know what you mean by invisible borders. Could you give me an example of uninvisible borders. The new formatting poses a problem because when you expand the infobox it moves the whole list down. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Current format with invisible borders
Date of ceremony Award Category Recipients and nominees Outcome
February 24, 2008 Academy Awards[1] Animated Feature Film Brad Bird Won
Original Score Michael Giacchino Nominated
Achievement in Sound Editing Randy Thom & Michael Silvers Nominated
Achievement in Sound Mixing Randy Thom, Michael Semanick & Doc Kane Nominated
Original Screenplay Brad Bird, Jan Pinkava & Jim Capobianco Nominated
February 17, 2008 American Cinema Editors[2] Best Edited Feature Film – Comedy or Musical Darren Holmes Nominated
February 8, 2008 Annie Awards[3] Best Animated Effects Gary Bruins Nominated
Best Animated Effects Jon Reisch Nominated
Best Animated Feature Pixar Animation Studios Won
Best Character Animation in a Feature Production Michal Makarewicz Won
Best Character Design in an Animated Feature Production Carter Goodrich Won
Best Directing in an Animated Feature Production Brad Bird Won
Best Music in an Animated Feature Production Michael Giacchino Won
Best Production Design in an Animated Feature Production Harley Jessup Won
Best Storyboarding in an Animated Feature Production Ted Mathot Won
Best Voice Acting in an Animated Feature Production Janeane Garofalo Nominated
Best Voice Acting in an Animated Feature Production Ian Holm Won
Best Voice Acting in an Animated Feature Production Patton Oswalt Nominated
Best Writing in an Animated Feature Production Brad Bird Won
Normal wikitable format
Date of ceremony Award Category Recipients and nominees Outcome
February 24, 2008 Academy Awards[1] Animated Feature Film Brad Bird Won
Original Score Michael Giacchino Nominated
Achievement in Sound Editing Randy Thom & Michael Silvers Nominated
Achievement in Sound Mixing Randy Thom, Michael Semanick & Doc Kane Nominated
Original Screenplay Brad Bird, Jan Pinkava & Jim Capobianco Nominated
February 17, 2008 American Cinema Editors[4] Best Edited Feature Film – Comedy or Musical Darren Holmes Nominated
February 8, 2008 Annie Awards[3] Best Animated Effects Gary Bruins Nominated
Best Animated Effects Jon Reisch Nominated
Best Animated Feature Pixar Animation Studios Won
Best Character Animation in a Feature Production Michal Makarewicz Won
Best Character Design in an Animated Feature Production Carter Goodrich Won
Best Directing in an Animated Feature Production Brad Bird Won
Best Music in an Animated Feature Production Michael Giacchino Won
Best Production Design in an Animated Feature Production Harley Jessup Won
Best Storyboarding in an Animated Feature Production Ted Mathot Won
Best Voice Acting in an Animated Feature Production Janeane Garofalo Nominated
Best Voice Acting in an Animated Feature Production Ian Holm Won
Best Voice Acting in an Animated Feature Production Patton Oswalt Nominated
Best Writing in an Animated Feature Production Brad Bird Won

There you go. And I fixed the table as well. -- Scorpion0422 16:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it called invisible borders? It's not invisible in my browser, on the contrary it has thick borders. I changed it anyway. Thank you for this nice explanation--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I think I see what's going on here. I use IE and sometimes it doesn't let me see special border formats. So I could not see any borders between the rows and columns of the table. -- Scorpion0422 16:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ahaa, I just checked it out on IE8. It does look awfull with the invisible borders, but it looks much better than wikitable on Firefox.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So the wikitable format doesn't look good on firefox? -- Scorpion0422 18:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It looks ok. I just thought having thicker borders would look better.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 18:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Despite the changes to the FL criteria, I still believe this article warrants being a stand-alone list. Therefore, my support stands. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:26, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't oppose a merge, but I support this article. Reywas92Talk 13:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
  1. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference academy was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Libby Mccarthy (2008-01-11). "ACE Eddies announce nominations". Variety. Retrieved 2009-03-09.
  3. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference annie was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Libby Mccarthy (2008-01-11). "ACE Eddies announce nominations". Variety. Retrieved 2009-03-09.
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