Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Katy Perry/archive2

Add links
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by SchroCat via FACBot (talk) 23:31, 30 January 2016 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of awards and nominations received by Katy Perry[edit]

List of awards and nominations received by Katy Perry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Toolbox
Nominator(s): Frankie talk and Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:25, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This list was to featured list back in October 2008 but somehow things did not work out and was demoted in June 2009 due to criteria change. I have been working on it on on-and-off-again basis and have finally been able to make it here. I have modeled the list based on recently promoted lists by me -- accolades by Taylor Swift, Adele and Lady Gaga. I believe the list meets the featured list criteria and I would appreciate comments for further improving the list. Thank you. -- Frankie talk 21:25, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I added myself as co-nom since I'm also a major contributor. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:44, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support from an IP - Good work, but this list have 1 dead link you should fix! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.52.120.50 (talk • contribs) 10:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • 1.52.120.50, why would you support a list when it had a dead link at the time? I understand that a lot of work went into making the article, but it's hard to think the list met the featured list criteria at the time of the review if there was a dead link. One of the nominators thankfully took care of the issue, but try to wait for the article to meet the criteria before supporting next time, or your support may not be given much weight. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:37, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Looks like it meets the criteria. Sources are reliable, and there is a good amount of information, everything appears to be sourced. Good work to everyone who worked on the article. Everything I was able to find earlier from quick skims last month, was fixed. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Birdienest81 (talk) 05:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
====Comments from Birdienest81====

*Shouldn't Super Bowl XLIX halftime show should be wikilinked under Emmy Awards and delinked under Guiness World Records since the Emmy Awards were listed first before the other one? Just curious.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 19:42, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Huffington Post link could be replaced by these links ([2], [3])since the description in the intro is about the awards themselves and not about Perry winning them.
  • Also this link from the International Business Times could be used to indicate Perry's nomination since the current citation does not indicate it.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 04:31, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Replaced. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:45, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: No other pressing issues found.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from GagaNutella
Comments from GagaNutella
  • Billboard to Billboard Awards;
  • Delete the (") from Prismatic Tour;
  • Echo Awards to ECHO Awards;
  • Stylizations are not used anywhere except main article (if at all) Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:55, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just raised this point because in the title it was not stylized and in its description it was. GagaNutellatalk 03:59, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Glamour Women of the Year Awards to Glamour Awards;
  • Myx to MYX;
  • See previous comment on stylizations
  • Oye! Awards and Premios Oye!, you need to decide which one you're gonna use. I prefer Premios Oye!;
  • Awesome. Now that you changed it, you need to put in order. Don't forget the infobox :) GagaNutellatalk 04:06, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Italic Q Awards in its description;
  • Not in italic: refs #44, #46 and #58;
  • Add publisher/work: ref #112;
  • Add access date: refs #129 and #140;
  • Refs #163 and #192 are not reliable, please change it;
  • done not sure how those previously went undetected >__< Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:55, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the "Award" section, do not use rowspan: ASCAP Pop Music Awards, Billboard Music Awards, Brit Awards, Capricho Awards, Echo Awards, Grammy Awards, Juno Awards, MTV Italian Music Awards, MTV Video Music Awards, MTV Video Music Awards Japan, MuchMusic Video Awards, MYX Music Awards, Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards, Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards Argentina, NME Awards, NRJ Music Awards, Premios 40 Principales, Premios Juventud, Oye! Awards, The Record of the Year, and Virgin Media Music Awards.
  •  Question: is there any guideline or project recommendation against its use for awards? I haven't seen anything of the sort, but please do tell if there is. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:55, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note that rowspan is discouraged by WP:FILMOGRAPHY as we use sortable table there wich creates accessiblity issue. There is no discouragement on non-sortable table. -- Frankie talk 08:08, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Even SNUGGUMS, one day, did it. And I think this way is more comprehensive. GagaNutellatalk 02:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@GagaNutella: in that case I don't see any reason for the existence of rowspan if it is discouraged everywhere. I don't see anything wrong with usage of rowspan since it does not create any accessibility issue. In fact repeating the same thing over and over again can be exhausting and can increase an article's size. -- Frankie talk 10:50, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's it. GagaNutellatalk 01:53, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GagaNutella, have a look now. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:55, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:59, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from shaidar cuebiyar
  1. For each award, the organisation that presents the award should be cited. Any information about the award written in each subsection should be cited such as when it was first given, for what, how the recipient is determined.
Yup, as you can see, I have cited sources on introductory lines on awards.
For some awards the article does not provide any information on: When were they first awarded? How the recipient is determined?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think one "should" add these info as I don't find them necessary at all. A one or two-liner introduction should be okay and as for these info they can be found in their respective articles.
Okay.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:44, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The APRA Awards (Australia) are co-presented by APRA and AMCOS: the latter organisation has been ignored from the lead-in sentence, it should also be in the publisher for the ref.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:52, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Shaidar cuebiyar: Thanks for your concern, now addressed. -- Frankie talk 09:57, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
APRA and AMCOS are separate, but related organisations, the APRA article does not even mention AMCOS so I don't see any advantage in linking to it.
Both initialisms are unlikely to be as familiar as say, MTV, and so should be spelled out for the casual reader in the lead-in sentence.
The songwriters, as well as the artist, are recipients – they have not been mentioned.
Finally the year of the award should be linked to its WP article.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I have added the song as the nominated work not Perry or the songwriters so it makes sense to not add the songwriters as well as Perry's name. -- Frankie talk 10:50, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
However, the Lead-in sentence says "to honor outstanding music artists and songwriters of the year" and whilst Perry is the music artist (and is rightly acknowledged as such) the songwriters have been ignored. Without them being given, a casual reader may believe that Perry herself is the songwriter, too. I see this as misleading, at least, or even a contradiction of the lead-in sentence.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:40, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, mentioned them in a footnote. -- Frankie talk 12:15, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite. According to the source, the song is an adaptation of one originally written by B Wilson and M Love, these two songwriters should also be acknowledged and wL. I've just checked at an ASCAP ACE title search: eight songwriters are given (including Wilson and Love). APRA's own website, also, has all eight (see here).
Neither of the initialisms are spelled out: what does APRA and AMCOS stand for? Most of the surrounding awards have organisations with initialisms, which are spelled out e.g. AMA, ARIA, ASCAP.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:44, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Added songwriters. Also, APRA stands for Australasian Performing Right Association, but I couldn't find anything on AMCOS. Removed the AMCOS bit for now. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:19, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
AMCOS are the Australasian Mechanical Copyright Owners Society: they provide the data for performance awards. They should have their own WP article but I'm busy with other work.
  • Additionally, I've just noticed a problem with the infobox tally. The APRA Award nom is presented as a win.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:30, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, added the full form of AMCOS. -- Frankie talk 22:19, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 17:24, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose'
  • "the former's music video gained five MTV Video Music Award nominations." gained is a strange word to use here, I would simply use received
  • "Among other honors..." this shouldn't be included as it adds nothing to the prose. Removing this make the sentence read better
  • "Her third album Teenage Dream became..." commas needed after album and Dream
  • "and "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)"—[1] for which she received a 2011 honorary American Music Award and a 2013 Guinness World Record." Firstly, I think this sentence needs a reference. Secondly, it's unclear whether this is referring to the album or the song
They are sourced in the main body of the article and does not to be repeated in the lead per WP:LEAD. It is referring to the feat she has achieved, which is quite clear, I think.
  • "The album was nominated for six Grammy Awards, including Album of the Year and Record of the Year for "Firework", and won the Juno Award for International Album of the Year." ref?
Per above.
  • "Perry led the 2011 MTV Video Music Awards with ten nominations..." Again, I don't think led is the right word to use here, it's not a race. Change to Perry received the most nominations at the 2011 MYV Video Music Awards with ten
  • "In 2012, Billboard magazine declared her the "Woman of the Year"." Is there are a particular reason why she won this award? Would benefit the reader if it was made clear.
  • ref 188 is missing a date and does support the claim that it is referencing
  • "is an inaugural music award show presented by YouTube." This doesn't make sense, inaugural refers to the beginning of something, there has been more than one award show.
All of the concerns addressed until here and the ref for the Teen Choice Awards replaced. I or @SNUGGUMS: (please try to find substitutes for ref 181 and 203 as I am failing to find ones) will try to resolved the remaining ones. -- Frankie talk 14:53, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • does ref 81, a book called critical thinking in biology, really provide a description of what the Guinness World Records are about? I find that hard to believe.
Yes, it does. Please read p 44; the whole page is about Guinness: "Guinness World Records is one source of well documented observations..."
  • ref 181 doesn't support the claim
  • ref 190 doesn't support the claim made, nowhere does it say anything about being voted by people aged between 13 and 19
  • again ref 203, doesn't support the claim in the prose

It's quite concerning that there are already a number of supports, when it appears that there a few fundamental issues with this list. NapHit (talk) 11:57, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's better now, but a lot of these issues were basic and should have been picked up earlier, especially with the list already having numerous supports. Ref 190 is not formatted properly, I'll remain neutral for now, as I want to see what other reviewers have to say. NapHit (talk) 17:24, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 21:42, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Discrepancy between the lead "92" and infobox "91".
  • Facepalm Facepalm how embarrassing..... I could've sworn I did before, but now they both say 92 Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:03, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Guinness records italicised in the infobox, not in the lead.
  • Removed italics since they refer to the award in this case and not the book Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:18, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "became the best-selling album in Poland in 2009" not sure why that's relevant here.
  • "a 2013 Guinness World Record" since when did World Records happen annually?
  • Nope, the book is published annually, perhaps you meant a world record was set in 2013? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A single "Wide Awake"" why not "Her single"?
  • No need to abbreviate IFPI, you never use it.
  • Channel V or Channel [V]?
  • Premios 40 or Los Premios 40?
  • The Radio Academy or The Radio Academy Awards?
  • Well now you have "The Radio Academy" and "Radio Academy". Please slow down and take care to fix all these properly. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • No need for AMCOS abbreviation, not used.
  • Why is the BRIT award sponsor important?
  • Don't think you need a link for music industry down at the Grammy section.
  • You don't exactly win world records, you break them, hold them, but you don't "win" them.
  • "5 awards from 37 nominations." vs "six awards from thirty nominations", I understand this just about squeaks by MOS, but the internal inconsistency is annoying.
  • Particularly when you go on to have " fourteen awards from twenty-four nominations."
  • "Perry has won one award from three nominations." nope, four noms (Premois Oye!).
  • Is it "The Most Played Artist on British Radio" or just "Most Played Artist on British Radio"?
  • "has become the leading organization" reads like an advert (particularly as this is sourced to the organization's own website!)

A few things to address here before the impressive support can be converted into a gold star. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:03, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your input, The Rambling Man. Take another look. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:18, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 21:34, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
*I would check the awards description is matched by the reference.
  • Billboard Japan award description has no reference.
  • MTV Video Awards Japan description makes the bold statement that it was created due to the unique musical variety of Japan, which I can't find in the source. It also seems to be straight copied from the main article which is the case for other awards descriptions as well. The danger of this is that many of the descriptions in the other articles are not referenced or a different reference is used in this list. e.g. People's Choice, Premios Juventud.
  • "The Myx Music Awards is an annual awards show in the Philippines that honors the year's both Filipino and International Music". I think this needs to be rephrased.
  • People's Choice Award description is not supported by the reference I think. Should also mention that it is voted on by the public.
  • Not sure her fan following (Katycats) winning an award counts as an award that she received. That blue link for People's Choice for Best Fan Following is also a redirect.
  • Premios Juventud reference doesn't specify that it's for Spanish speaking celebrities.
  • List has got invalid ISSN numbers.
  • The iHeart source doesn't list Katy Perry as being nominated for those awards in 2014. Cowlibob (talk) 16:40, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Have another look, Cowlibob. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Comments from Aaron
  • I think the opening paragraph is too U.S. centric. I know she's American, but I think say adding the Brit Awards to it would be nice too.
  • Two singles from the album—"I Kissed a Girl" and "Hot n Cold"—were nominated for the Grammy Award for Best Female Pop Vocal Performance → In two separate years, no? Maybe I'm being too picky...

Apart from that, I can't see why this list shouldn't be promoted. Support.  — Calvin999 10:38, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Calvin999, I think Brit Awards weren't included cause she only won one. But I do agree with you on the second point. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 10:48, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
She's never won a Grammy but that's included.  — Calvin999 10:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Grammys are more notable, and she has been nominated for 13. The Brit Awards seems pretty irrelevant in comparison. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 10:57, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you mean on this being US-centric, Calvin999, so I used Canada in place of US for "Roar" and "Dark Horse" as they both went number one there as well. Also added BRIT win. Thank you for the support. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:29, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Who says Grammy's are more notable than Brits? Grammy's aren't more notable to the people of the United Kingdom. The Brits is the British equivalent of the Grammy's. It's not all about America, you know Joseph Prasad. You're lucky you still have my Support and you have Snuggum's to thank for it.  — Calvin999 17:03, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
More: However, I envisioned the following "She has also been nominated for 13 Grammy Awards, 4 Radio Disney Music Awards and 4 Brit Awards (winning one)." The opening paragraph is still U.S. centric.  — Calvin999 17:07, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The other nominee is FrB.TG, just saying. Added ARIA, Brit, Juno, Myx, NRJ, and Q Awards to lead. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:27, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Oh, I assumed by how he said it he was your co-nom. Either way, my point still stands for Joseph. The world does not revolve around American industry and many people would take issue with what he said. I hope he learns from this. This is a really good list and I it will be promoted. I nominated one too today if you get time Snuggums.  — Calvin999 17:41, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you again. I do feel it looks better now with more non-U.S. accolades to show diversity. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:46, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's always best to, otherwise people might think she never got nominated for outside the U.S.  — Calvin999 17:48, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Very good point. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:58, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Calvin999, when I said more notable, I did not mean one Grammy is more notable than one Brit. I meant being nominated for 13 grammys is more notable than winning one Brit. If an act won, say 3 Kids Choice Awards in say, Mexico, but won 10 in the US, what would be more notable? Right, the US ones. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 19:06, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There's no point trying to change or justify what you meant now, and here isn't the place for it.  — Calvin999 19:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This is a beautiful list. I support its promotion to FL status, assuming all concerns raised by other editors are addressed. Great work! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:46, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – With a minor comment, the second notation for "The songwriters, Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Benjamin Levin, Bonnie McKee, Brian Wilson, Michael Love, and Calvin Broadus, were also nominated" should really be "The songwriters, Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Benjamin Levin, Bonnie McKee, Brian Wilson, Michael Love, and Calvin Broadus, were nominated". Adding the word also implies there were subsequent others involved whereas it was just the songwriters. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 16:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source review: Formatting is as per MoS, the references are reliable, no dead links and spot checks reveals no evidence of plagiarism or close copying. A few issues regarding their accuracy:
  • Source 27 does not list the nominees of the 2011 Billboard Awards.
  • Source 28 does not support anything the article claims. Neither does source 30.
  • Source 166 does say that she won one award at Teen Choice Awards 2011 but not specifically which. There is also no reference for her nominations at the ceremony.
  • Ref 167 does list the nominees and winners of TCA 2012 but not Perry's win for Choice Fashion: Red Carpet Fashion Icon Female.
Thanks for the source review. I have fixed every issue listed above. -- Frankie talk 09:15, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source review partially struck. There have been problems found in other reviews by this IP: review struck for the moment, although it's probably best to deal with these comments first. - SchroCat (talk) 08:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC) - SchroCat (talk) 08:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are one or two occurrences of shouty refs that needs sorting (108, 117 and 121, for example, but check for others)
  • Check your linking within the sources – Variety is linked on the second instance, not the first
  • Check the dashes: FN29 looks like the wrong type

- SchroCat (talk) 16:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully everything is fixed by now. -- Frankie talk 16:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Katy_Perry/archive2&oldid=1140437570"