Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of The Smashing Pumpkins band members/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 22:59, 6 October 2010 [1].

List of The Smashing Pumpkins band members[edit]

Nominator(s): —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:27, 16 September 2010 (UTC) and WereWolf 12:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list status because it appears consistent with the featured list criteria, is not subject to substantial changes in the future, is comparable to other featured band member lists (List of Nine Inch Nails band members, List of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members, List of Slipknot band members, and List of Megadeth band members), and WereWolf and I will work on this page to make improvements as necessary. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:27, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—The link to Zeitgeist (album) leads to a dab page; the external link to http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=c10135f0-c1bc-425c-961a-fd93076178af is not dead, even though it returns a 404 and is marked "dead link". Ucucha 01:00, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed. WereWolf (talk) 06:21, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks. Ucucha 13:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The intro is way too short. Nergaal (talk) 01:46, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I tried to extend it a little. Tell me if it will suffice or if it needs more detail/expanding. WereWolf (talk) 02:33, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose = serious lead issues.

No, the lead, at one para, is still too short. You mention two members of the band out a total of eight possible - this is hardly summary style.
"with Billy Corgan the only" no need to repeat his first name.
"from its inception" repeats "its inception" far too quickly.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:47, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I used the format from List of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members (a list that I brought up to featured status) to remove the lead, and remove the Membership history section from the article. I honestly prefer this over anything else. WereWolf (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So, to clarify, you've copied-and-pasted a bunch of paragraphs from The Smashing Pumpkins article here? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but I did the same thing for the List of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members, and that's a featured list. This list does give more information regarding every member of the band. For example, Gingger Shankar, Gabrial McNair, Kristopher Pooley, and Stephen Bradley aren't mentioned in the main article. Here, they have an entire table acknowledging their temporary membership and contribution to the band. Shankar and Pooley didn't have pictures before this list. Also, the list is comprehensive, and enables a reader to understand the band's membership more easily. Even The A.V. Club acknowledges that the membership history of The Smashing Pumpkins is "increasingly protracted and confusing". [2] This list does meet criteria 3.b, and is comparable with all of the other featured band members lists. WereWolf (talk) 21:28, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, well I'm not at all comfortable with the fact you simply copied the lead of another article and pasted it in here. I'll leave my oppose open and see what other reviewers think. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What do you want me to do? Write an entirely new lead? The main article is a featured article; why re-event the wheel when it's perfectly fine? WereWolf (talk) 20:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not happy with repeated leads. I'll leave it to others to decide... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:51, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I, too, have problem with the copy-and-paste lead, which is also way too detailed. I think the section should be shortened to an overview about the band and its members.—Chris!_c/t 04:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is the lead the first paragraph in your opinion? And it's not exactly copied and pasted. It's not word for word... WereWolf (talk) 12:48, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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