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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 17:56, 23 June 2008 [1].

List of Sega 32X games[edit]

I've done quite a bit of work with this list and I believe it makes the FL criteria. For this cleanup, I used List of Virtual Boy games and List of Nintendo 64 games, the only two featured lists of console games, as examples for setting this list up. Also, this is my first FLC—actually, featured anything—so I appreciate all the constructive criticism while this article is being reviewed. Thanks to all of the reviewers in advance for your time. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 16:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • It looks like we've been hit by a policy discussion about Australian information. Anyway, barring this part, which affects the "Regions released" column only, I would still appreciate comments and then supports or oppositions after the guideline discussion is resolved. Can we do that? Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 00:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 15:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add a section for the table

Gary King (talk) 07:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I would recomend starting stub articles on the 8 games and one publisher that do not have articles. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 03:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Could more precised release dates be indicated in the table, since they're all from 1994-1996? Kariteh (talk) 07:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not that I know of. I can't find anything more precise than just the years in anything reliable, and anything unreliable has just one or two games with more precise release dates. That's about it. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 14:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I know that this list mimics other current similar FLs, but isn't the use of flags to differentiate release regions an accessibility issue? Drewcifer (talk) 21:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know, I can't say that I'm aware of such an issue. In various peer reviews and other comments at WP:VG that I got for this list, some said the flags were fine, and others openly told me they didn't like the flags. If you find it necessary, I'll go ahead and change the flags to region codes. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 23:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have no strong opinions about it myself, but from an accessibility standpoint, I think the important thing is that there is some text, not that there is no images. So that doesn't necessarily mean the flag images have to go, but some text should definitely be added. So I'll leave the decision of leaving the flags in there up to you. Drewcifer (talk) 23:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think NA should be used instead of US in the table, unless the game was never released in Canada. Also, the consensus that resulted from the discussion at WikiProject VG is that the names of the regions should all be mentioned in the lead in some way or another, so that the abbreviations can be mentioned next to them in parentheses for clarity. See List of PlayStation Portable games for an example of the implementation. (Note that if you had used flags, you'd have to spell the names of the countries next to the flags at least once due to flag guidelines, so IMO it wouldn't have been much more pratical.) Also I think the European alternate titles should be mentioned in the table (in the same rows as the American titles) to avoid bias; the list isn't particularly long, so there's no reason to give only American titles. Kariteh (talk) 09:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "some blame Sega of America for developing this failure" -> Although this statement is sourced, the "this failure" part sounds a bit too non-neutral in terms of wording. Also, the term "some" should be specified (which sites or critics? etc.) and be sourced with more references, because GamePro speak for themselves, but we don't know if their opinion is shared by many critics or not. Also for some reason the Sega-16.com links all point to the same page. Kariteh (talk) 21:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done I got that paragraph from the Sega Mega Drive article . I guess I should've proofread that section first before copying it. It seems more like a generalization than anything else, so I removed that statement. Also, I fixed the Sega-16 links. Turns out when I put the links up, I forgot to fix the ID numbers in the links. They're fixed now, so that should be all of your concerns. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 23:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
  • Four paragraphs in the lead is somewhat excessive for an article of this length per WP:LEAD.
  • The lead could use copyediting. A number of really short sentences makes it choppy reading and not Wikipedia's "finest".
  • CPU? Remember to appeal to non-experts. Expand, explain and link.
  • "... as 5 additional games..." - five.
  • I wouldn't place the dagger between titles and the citation. Stick with WP:CITE where possible.
  • I guess ref 3 uses a {{cite book}} - odd thing is that this doesn't have a p for page number while [1] and [2] have p (or pp).
  • You don't need to repeat all the info about Kent's book each time you us it. You can make it a general ref and then just use the author name and the page ref.

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:40, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Done Thanks for your comments, The Rambling Man. Let me explain what I've done: I reduced the paragraphs to two, a much more appropriate number. I also copyedited the lead to the best of my ability, but I'm a little weak at writing lead sections, a flaw I'm well aware of. I expanded CPU to its full name of central processing unit and wikilinked it for clarification. I replaced "5" with "five", moved the citations to the other side of the daggers, put the "p" in the cite book for the aforementioned reference, and I condensed the book reference appropriately. Odd, because the other two citations cited pages 493-496 and the other cited just 493. It's fixed now. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 20:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "All dates given are for the earliest release of the games, which have been released in several regions around the world, including Japan (JP), North America (NA), and Europe (EU)." - prose... repeated use of "released" isn't pretty, can you reword.
  •  Done
  • "the only Sega 32X game released in Japan only" - "only" repetition
  •  Done
  • I think the introduction of what the Sega 32X is should go before the specific detail about Sangokushi IV (random example, you get the drift?)
  • Sorry, I'll try to be more clear.
  • The Sega 32X is only introduced ("The Sega 32X was an add-on for the Sega Mega Drive.") in the second paragraph of the lead. This makes the first paragraph a bit awkward in that unless you already know what the Sega 32X is, you don't really know what it's talking about. Hence I think you should reorganise it a bit. giggy (:O) 01:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "an add-on to the existing Genesis." - what's the Genesis?
  •  Done
  • "Sega presented the 32X" - use its full name, and no need to wlink it.
  •  Done

giggy (:O) 06:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, support. giggy (:O) 00:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Matthew

Comments

  • From the lead, "They would not, however," may be better as "They did not, however,"
  •  Done
  • Reference for "Saturn had already been announced for release the next year."?
  •  Done
  • What about the Australian region? PAL is usually used instead of EU for this reason, I think
  • Bit time concerned about the reliability of sega-16.com, given that it's the main reference for the article. It seems to be user-contributed, and would make it a no-no in the same way IMDB and tv.com are.
Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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