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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 22:51, 13 December 2008 [1].

List of New Orleans Saints head coaches[edit]

I am nominating this list because I have worked on it to meet WP:WIAFL (FL Standards). In addition, this is my first list of this type, so I wouldn't be surprised to get comments with issues about the list, I will, however, address them as they come. --TruCo 00:03, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "from 1967–1974 " Whenever year ranges are preceded by "from", use "to" instead of an en dash.
  • "is the only coach to be inducted into the Hall of Fame while" put and "and" before "is".
  • "Jim E. Mora is the team's most winningest coach, having a winning percentage of .557"-->Jim E. Mora is the team's winningest coach with a winning percentage of .557.
  • "Hefferle and Rick Venturi are both the team's least winningest coaches, having a winning percentage of .125. "-->Hefferle and Rick Venturi both have a franchise-worst winning percentage of .125.
  • "Ditka, Mora, and Payton have all won the AP Coach of the Year Award and the Sporting News NFL Coach of the Year."
  • "The New Orleans Saints have had 14 head coaches in their franchise history." I suggest putting this at the beginning of the second paragraph.
  • To the "Term" column, add a note that says: "Each year is linked to an article about that particular NFL season."
  • The achievements in the table need inline citations.
    • They were sourced in the ref column, but I just placed a general ref, which covers it.--TruCo 01:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the key: "Games Coached"-->Games coached. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done.--TruCo 01:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • All done, thanks for the comments.--TruCo 01:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Killervogel5
Comments from Killervogel5
  • "He has also coached the most games for the Saints with 49." - According to the records in the table, Tom Fears did not coach the most games.
    • How did I miss that? Fixed.--TruCo 17:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Jim Haslett hasn't coached the most games either. Jim Mora coached 167 games, which is the most according to the table. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 14:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Eh, I'm sorry, I'm missing things from lack of sleep. Fixed.--TruCo 19:30, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Jim E. Mora is the team's most winningest coach with a winning percentage of .557." - "most winningest" is horrible grammar, and the word winningest is discouraged because it's American slang. Reword.
    • I reworded it, hope it reads better.--TruCo 17:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The New Orleans Saints have had 14 head coaches in their franchise history. Sean Payton is the head coach of the Saints as of 2008, and is the 14th person to serve in the position." -saying 14/14th twice is redundant. You also say it again at the end of the paragraph ("The New Orleans Saints have had 14 head coaches in their franchise history."). Remove all but one. Also, I would say that Payton has been the coach "since 2006" rather than "as of 2008". As of statements are discouraged per WP:RECENT.
    • I removed the 14th part of that sentence. I removed the second instance of the repetitive sentence and I reworded the "as of" part to "since."--TruCo 17:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • You don't explicitly define AFL, so the abbreviation shouldn't be used or should be defined.
    • I defined it.--TruCo 17:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Eh... I don't like the way that looks aesthetically. How about "six months after the 89th United States Congress approved the [[|AFL-NFL merger|merger of the NFL with the American Football League (AFL]] in June of that year"? KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 14:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Fixed.--TruCo 19:30, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and began playing in September of that year." - the link in this section is very ambiguous because it doesn't give any indication where it goes Pipelinks are not meant to be Easter Eggs. Remove.
    • I reworded it to better pipe it.--TruCo 17:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • For "New Orleans, Louisiana", use the city-state template.

Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It did, thanks because this is my first list of this subject.--TruCo 17:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made a minor fix in the lead, and now I support. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 19:45, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24
Comment

I think you should've asked Golbez first before putting on this nomination. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 02:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? He doesn't own the article. So I can't expand List of Cleveland Browns head coaches, which I started in my sandbox?--TruCo 04:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say Golbez owns the article, but he has (from what I see on the edit history) contributed to the article more than you. Also, on the WP:FLC page, it says, "Nominators who are not significant contributors to the list should consult regular editors of the list prior to nomination." Though you are a significant contributor, I still believe that you should've consulted Golbez prior to nomination. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 06:49, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I didn't look at the complete edit history, now I see he did contribute majorly. I notified him, its late, but yea. So do I have to ask you guys if I can expand the Browns list as well?--TruCo 14:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, because the current head coach list does not have any information on it, indeed, it is a redirect. Nobody else has put in work to expand it. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Laugh out loud. Golbez hasn't replied to your invitation to co-nominating with you. I guess this problem is solved. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 23:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments

At first when I was looking through the article, I felt so confused (well not really) because there was nothing wrong with it. Then I found TWO minor mistakes in the article. Both of the templates do not link to the article. Good thing I found something. :D -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 07:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What templates?--TruCo 14:33, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
He means the navboxes. I can't believe I missed that too. It's usually the first thing I check. They need a direct link to this article or they should be removed. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 14:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh okay, I fixed that.--TruCo 15:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so. There aren't currently any links to this article in either navbox. I will take a look at them. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 15:10, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Striking that, I saw the one your put in the main navbox, but it wasn't in the traditional place, so I moved it. I'm working on the other now. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 15:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Striking that yet again, I checked the code, and the change was made. It was just caught in my cache, I guess, which is why I couldn't see it. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 15:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC) Should be done now. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 15:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I forgot to purge the pages, that's probably why it didn't come up on your cache.--TruCo 15:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
One Huge mistake on you behalf as well;) It is cited as a general ref, which is located on the "Achievements" column.--TruCo 23:43, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
One HUGE mistake is that the ref only cites the UPIs and the APs. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 23:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I could only find a source for Payton's Maxwell award, I couldn't find it for the Pro football or the Sporting news one, although unreliable sources confirm it, no RS state it. Should I just remove it?--TruCo 00:06, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not an NFl fan, but I think only the APs and UPIs are offically recognized by the NFL, so just removed the other ones, and I will re-support this nomination. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 00:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done.--SRX 00:56, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Additional Comment Needs playoff win% column added. For some reason, whenever the first of these lists were made, the creator(s) forgot these important stat. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where is this standard stated? I don't see it in other recent FL's. In addition if I have too, I'm new to doing these type of lists, so where and how would I find this out?--SRX 03:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
It is not so much a standard as a crucial gap in the info. See the NBA head coach FLs. Not adding this info would be a breach of Criterion 3 (comprehensiveness) on the WP:Featured list criteria. I will get around to adding this info to the other articles. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak opposing until this info is added. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:13, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's kind of harsh considering that I do not know how to locate this information, and considering I'm at school during the day. Now instead of opposing, may you help me?--SRX 21:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
The information is all at the references that the list uses. Gary King (talk) 21:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Gary for telling me that. I have now added the playoff winning %.--SRX 22:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for not telling you where the info was. Supporting again. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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