Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Need for Speed titles/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 07:04, 12 August 2008 [1].

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List of Need for Speed titles

I feel this article meets the FL criteria, it's comprehensible and easy to understand. Co-nom with User:ThinkBlue.--S_RX 22:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. I don't even see why this list needs to exist since most of the information i provides can be found in the main article Need for Speed. Also I can see factual errors in the lead section as well as titles that shouldn't be in the list at all, like V-Rally 1 and 2. And since it's created just a few days ago, it's not stable yet. --MrStalker ^(talk) 15:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Reply - I forgot to remove that information from the series article, now however it is redirected to this main page. Also what factual errors do you see? You can't just oppose and not tell the nominator what is specifically wrong, in that way they can improve it. --S_RX 15:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

    For starters the Need for Speed series is not developed by Distintive Software, nor EA Canada. It's developed by EA Black Box. And you cannot just delete tons of text and say "there is a main article now". Please see WP:MERGE. --MrStalker ^(talk) 16:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

    • Okay, I never noticed that from the sources I used, or maybe I over looked it but I fixed that, thanks for noticing. Well, I created List of WWE SmackDown video game titles and I deleted the list of articles from WWE SmackDown (video game series) before I expanded it to become a GA, and no one said anything because the information is found in the respective articles, all that info can't be merged here because that's not how VG lists are organized, they just list the games and technical details.--S_RX 16:19, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comments.

1. The system releases should have seperate lines for different years.
   eg.1994—3DO Interactive Multiplayer
   1995—PC (DOS)

I fixed that.--S_RX 18:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

1. Shouldnt use the vgrelease template in the notes section, instead re-write it out "A special edition of the game was released exclusivly in North America, or something like that.

Done.--S_RX 18:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Still needs to be fixed for "The Need for Speed" Salavat (talk) 14:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok I missed that, now it's done.--S_RX 16:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

1. I dont no about V-Rally but Mr Stalker says they shouldnt be in there. Maybe they should be in a spinoff section?

Because he didn't read the sources. V-Rally was developed by another developer but EA bought the rights to the game and released in under the NFS name so it is officially a NFS game.--S_RX 18:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

1. Should try and have at least one sentence of notes for each title.

I'll try but their really isn't anything else worth mentioning for some games.--S_RX 18:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

1. Maybe include a see also section for the article then force a table of contents

Done.--S_RX 18:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

1. Got a better logo then the one currently in use?

I updated it.--S_RX 18:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

1. The vgrelease template needs to be fixed for the original release dates. for example in Prostreet you have the dates in the order of JP, NA, PAL, EU, even though the japanese region recieved the game last. should be in order of release date, so you would need to use the template multiply times for each title

I will get to that, will notify when done.--S_RX 18:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'm done.--S_RX 01:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

1. In some of the titles you have PAL and EU. the use of PAL covers EU and AUS, shouldnt it be split to EU and AUS. Salavat (talk) 04:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I fixed that.--S_RX 18:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Neutral Everything about the list seems to check out, and follow guidelines and policies. I also have every game since NFS: Underground so it's not that I'm not interested in the subject. I don't know what it is about this List, but it doesn't really inspire me or make me think, "the best we have to offer". It's all a little insipid for me. Sorry. :( Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

So you are neutral because of the format of the list? Their are other featured lists in this format like List of Harvest Moon titles and List of WWE SmackDown video game titles.--S_RX 13:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

In kind of the same area as Mr Stalker and Matthewedwards i believe this list is redundant unless the main series page is completely reworked to reassembly that of a series article. Salavat (talk) 14:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I am currently working on that, as you see the page is underconstruction.S_RX 16:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The status and quality of the main NfS article should not have any affect on how this page does at FLC. FLC (and all the other Featured <whatevers>) doesn't work that way.

My issue with the page is that, yes, List of Harvest Moon titles and List of WWE SmackDown video game titles are Featured, but WP is not a static entity. The expectations progress as time passes. While this list could tick all the boxes at WP:FL?, I'd just like there to see a little more oomph. For instance, the infobox at Need for Speed: Underground lists not only release dates and platforms, but game engine, single/multiplayer mode, ratings, input methods. If this information was on this list, for each game, it would be even more comprehensive. I just don't think a list of titles and release dates "exemplifies our very best work" Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

You make a good point, I will have to point that out to the video game project to see if we can make a consensus about your suggestion.--S_RX 21:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments

This is certainly a good start, but not quite Fl yet. Here are the issues that stood out to that I feel should be addressed to support

• The lead
  • A few questions I would like clarified to know if some content should be trimmed or not.
    • It states "currently published". Was it ever published by another company? If not then this is a redundant word and can be removed.
    • It states "series debuted ... in North America, Japan, and Europe in 1997". Was it released in all the territories simultaneous? If not, I would only list the first territory; a game can only debut once.
  • This phrase seems like it would go better in the first sentence: "Need for Speed is a series of racing video games..." Try "Need For Speed is a series of racing video games published by Electronic Arts."
  • Then tweak this sentence some: "The series' main objective is to win races in a variety of game modes, while alluding traffic, pedestrians, and police."
  • This sentence seems off to me and I'm not quite sure what is meant to convey: "Initially, the series was exclusive to the fifth generation consoles and was featured in all of the seventh generation video game consoles by 2008."
• Spacing
  • Personally I like there to be space between the VGtitle boxes by using {{-}}, but that's just me.
• The Need for Speed
  • The release dates don't seem to match up to the system release for the first title.
• Notes
  • I agree that there should be some note in each box. Not every game was the same; some introduced new and popular game modes/features, while others were milestones for the series.

Overall, I think this could be FL. Once the issues I mentioned above, I'll be happy to support. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 04:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC))

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