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Metro (Minnesota) light rail stations[edit]

List of Metro (Minnesota) light rail stations (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 16:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I was very surprised that this list didn't exist at all so here is a list of all 37 current and 26 planned light rail stations in Minneapolis–Saint Paul's 13-year-old system. I've taken cues in creating this list from other FLs of light rail stations, most directly List of Sacramento Regional Transit light rail stations. Suggestions and input are more than welcome, especially in ensuring this list is accessible for all users. Thanks! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 16:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Just a minor issue, but the map should not include bus rapid transit stops in the map, since the list is just about the light rail system. Otherwise, counting the stations on the map will reveal more stations than are on the list itself. Mattximus (talk) 15:15, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Mattximus. I agree and am going to install Inkscape and see if I can't recreate the whole map as an SVG on my own; if not, I'll head over to the Graphics Lab to see if one of the whizzes over there can either crop the Red Line out of the PNG or recreate the whole thing (w/ and w/o the Red Line) as a vector image. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:55, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, Mattximus, I gave it a shot! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 01:24, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm the words on the right are cut off for me, are they cut off for you too? I wonder if the map could also show the river like this one [2] Mattximus (talk) 17:15, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mattximus, I gave it another go. What do you think? Best, BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 23:11, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Much better! Nice job! I think the image is perfect now. I will try to get to the review of the article at some point, however I will be heading to China soon so it might not be until the end of August. Mattximus (talk) 13:51, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley[edit]

  • "The light rail portion of the network, managed by Metro Transit, consists of 37 light rail stations". This does not sound right. A network does not "consist of" its stations, and you do not need to repeat "light rail". Maybe just "has 37 stations".
  • "Extensions to both Metro lines are planned" This will become out of date, so you should say "As of September 2017,"
  • The status of the proposals is unclear. You say where the lines would go, implying that they have not been approved, and then say when give estimates when they will open, implying that they have been. Have they been approved and has construction started?
  • "Many stations connect with rail or bus lines." An extra column showing the connections for each station would be helpful to readers - this is just a suggestion. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:47, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Dudley Miles! I've tried to address your first three bullets and I'll take a look at possibly adding another column with bus and rail connections, akin, perhaps, to what's in the List of SEPTA Regional Rail stations. I'll ping you when I've come to a decision on that. Thanks! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 04:12, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again, Dudley Miles. I took a stab at adding a Connections column to the table and it ended up being a wash. Most stations connect with several regular (non-rapid transit) numbered bus routes, leaving the Connections column looking like a numerical soup. The only stations with connections to bus rapid transit or commuter rail routes are mentioned in the lead and regular numbered bus routes are listed in the infoboxes on individual stations' pages. I think doing without Connections will keep this cleaner. However, I did find this article in the process which I think would be a good link or see also somewhere in the list. Thanks! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 18:34, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:03, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • " the Mall of America station" include station in the link as you've already linked the mall itself.
  • " Line–initially called the Central Corridor–began" this looks awkward to me, would you consider spaced en-dashes?
  • " stations–28th Avenue and Fort Snelling–have " similarly.
  • "are planned as of August 2017." it's nearly October 2017, this needs an update.
  • "Terminal/downtown" spaced slash (for article consistency).

Otherwise nice piece of work. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:36, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the useful comments, The Rambling Man! I've updated the article accordingly. Let me know if there's anything else you think would be useful to add or alter. All the best, BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 11:42, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • No prob. I think you could expand the lead image up to, say, 300px, because as it stands it's not particularly helpful without clicking on it. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:49, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upscaled a good deal so it's actually legible in thumbnail form. Too big or just right? Input appreciated! Thanks! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 20:25, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've made it even bigger and on my Chrome/PC browser it's almost readable. I'll check Safari, Firefox and IE tomorrow. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:31, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quick comment – The all caps in the titles of refs 1 and 25 should be removed. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:28, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – That was the only issue I had with the article; it looks like the other reviewers found most of the problems already. Nice work. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:02, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Harrias talk
  • I'm concerned about how a screen-reader would deal with the color boxes? Does it pick them up - if not, then that column is completely useless to a screen-reader user, and we'd have to add some text in for clarification. Harrias talk 08:07, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good question, Harrias; I've updated the article accordingly. Let me know if you think it needs further work and/or looks unnecessarily cluttered. Thanks for your comment--it was exactly the sort of oversight I had hope to clear up in this FLC process! Best, BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 19:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from BeatlesLedTV
  • All tables need scope rows and cols per MOS:ACCESS
  • Shorten "References" to "Ref(s)"

Other than that great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 17:54, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input, BeatlesLedTV, this is exactly the sort of accessibility compliance info I'm not familiar with but was hoping to learn a bit about via this FLC process. I've added captions to all tables and also scope="col" for my column headers. Is scope="row" necessary for all rows, since the table lacks row "headers" per se? Thanks, and let me know if there's anything else you think I should address! Best, BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 18:40, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Bobamnertiopsis Absolutely! I checked out List of MBTA Commuter Rail stations as well as List of Miami-Dade Transit metro stations, both featured lists that fall into the same category as your list. The first page doesn't have doesn't have scope rows in the main table but the second page does have scope rows in the station boxes. I'd say it's your choice if you want to put scope rows in the main table. If you have any questions over the layout of tables just ask or check out other featured lists under the same topic or realm for references. Happy Editing! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 19:15, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, BeatlesLedTV, I gave it a shot and didn't totally destroy the tables in the process so I think that counts for a win! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 19:27, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Bobamnertiopsis That you did! However, you can't have "|!" right next to each other. If you want the background color to be gray, remove the '|', if you want it white, remove the '!'. Both work fine. If you have just an exclamation mark (!) the words will turn bold and be centered. To counteract this, at the top of the table, add "plainrowheaders" to the mix. The code will read "wikitable sortable plainrowheaders". BeatlesLedTV (talk) 19:33, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking the time to explain that, BeatlesLedTV. Learning by doing, and through the kindness and patience of others, is pretty much the only way I've learned anything on this site. I believe I've incorporated these fixes. Thanks! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 19:49, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Absolutely! I'm sorry your FLC has been up for so long. Hope it gets promoted soon! Anyways, I got no other comments or concerns. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Source Review
I was going to complain about cite 27, but apparently it's just part of {{cite act}} to... not specify who made the act. Like, it's the State of Minnesota here, but there's nothing in that citation or the template itself that says that. Anyways.
Cite 24- don't put the author as Pioneer Press staff; that's assumed. Author fields are for specific names.
Spotchecks passed.

That's just one thing, so I'm just going to do it myself. Source review passed, promoting. --PresN 20:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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