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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 19:54, 30 July 2010 [1].

List of Governors of Florida[edit]

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Nominator(s): Golbez (talk) 01:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The legend continues, we're now up to F in our long struggle to get every governor list featured (notwithstanding misfits like Wisconsin and Utah, but I prefer to go in order!), and with each iteration, things change. Taken from the recent Utah FLC are: Moving the constitutional information on succession down to the state (needed more prose down there anyway) and added more information on the territory to the introduction. New in this version of the template: Prose in the "other high offices" section! It always seemed a bit sparse. I have one question for our voters: Should the "other high offices" table include the years they served those other offices? I've always omitted them, because 1) If you really wanted to know, you'd click their article, 2) Some people serve non-contiguous stints in congress, and 3) It would heavily clutter up the table with, in my opinion, negligible gain. What do you think? That asked and said, I present this list for your consideration. --Golbez (talk) 01:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support excellent read. A commment tho. Sandman888 (talk) 09:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Most sources state Walker was a Democrat; the state archives say he was "Conservative"" Be ware of OR in the claim of "most". Also include said sources.
    • Every source I've found says he was a Democrat, I could include the NGA reference as an example. The only one that says otherwise is the official state archives, but those being the official archives, I felt they merited some form of inclusion (and I'll throw in a specific reference to that). They likely mean "Conservative Democrat", but they don't say. Do you have another way of wording this? --Golbez (talk) 21:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Well written and well sourced list. Ruslik_Zero 19:10, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Parutakupiu (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments from Parutakupiu (talk) 02:26, 25 July 2010 (UTC):[reply]
    • "Governor of Florida" is a redirect to this list;
      • The list should probably be moved there, then... would a move like that be permitted during an FLC? :P --Golbez (talk) 13:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Not necessarily. I've seen other "Governor of X" which are an article of its own independent from the list. Here in this case, you can just unlink it, until the article is created. Parutakupiu (talk)
          • True, but in the case that the 'main' article does not exist, the 'list' article (which is the closest we have to a main) should probably be moved to it. There's precedent at Governor of Colorado. Either way, this shouldn't affect the FLC proceedings and can be handled later. The wikilink's gone now. --Golbez (talk) 14:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Place refs 18 and 19 together after the next comma. Do the same with refs 24 and 25;
    • Link the first instance of "lieutenant governor" to either Lieutenant Governor (United States) or Lieutenant Governor of Florida;
      • Fixed. Used the United States link. Bgwhite (talk) 06:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "As of July 2010, seven former governors are alive." — Is this temporal reference going to be constantly updated? If not, perhaps another alternative should be used?
      • Has been for the last four years or so, do you have a proposed alternative? (I'll get to the rest of the comments later) --Golbez (talk) 02:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • I don't know, maybe there's some code strings that give an updated value of "month" and "year"... Parutakupiu (talk)
          • But that would conceivably lead to inaccuracy. This method will never be inaccurate. Even if not updated in 5 years, it will still be true that, as of July 2010, 7 former governors were alive. If you had it update automatically, we could be in a case where it's saying, "In July 2015, 7 former governos were alive," when in fact only 3 are. --Golbez (talk) 14:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Instead of using HTML code to stack the images of the Governors, try using {{Stack}} which leaves a (thin but aesthetic) margin around the images, and the text does not get glued to them;
    • I suspect that you didn't place images of every governor in that list because some don't have any in Wikipedia (or Commons)? Too bad, it would look great... What's the proportion of those which have image and those that don't?
      • Looks like 31 out of 44 have useful portraits, which would leave 1/3 of the list with placeholders. The Utah list that was recently promoted has 9 out of 17, with 1/2 empty... so based on that we could justify including what portraits we have. I just dislike doing so. :| --Golbez (talk) 13:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, if other already featured lists don't have them, then I think this one shouldn't as well. It would be a plus, though. Parutakupiu (talk)
          • Utah was the first. Well, no, California was the first, but California had 100% images. When that fell below 100%, i.e. having any gaps, I took all the images out. Utah using images was more of an experiment to see if gaps were now being tolerated; they apparently are. --Golbez (talk) 14:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ref 32 is dead;
    • Notes 21, 22 and 23 lack a period at the end;
      • Fixed. Bgwhite (talk) 06:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • That was deliberate and needs discussion; those are not full sentences, and previous FLCs have told me that notes and captions which are not full sentences should not receive stops. --Golbez (talk) 13:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • I agree. That is the policy with captions. I just don't get the difference now between note 21 (with period) and note 23 (without)... Parutakupiu (talk)
  • Comment If you would like to move the list to "Governor of Florida", feel free to do it now. I'll take care of the rest of the paperwork. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:32, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually, considering that it currently lacks much information you'd expect to find on such a page (eligibility requirements, powers, etc.) it makes more sense to keep it here. I doubt it's of featured quality for a main article at present. --Golbez (talk) 15:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • So to clarify, you do intend to create a "Governor of Florida" article at some point. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Or add stuff to this one to fit the requirements thereof, but I'd rather not race to shoehorn that in just to match the demands of the name. --Golbez (talk) 19:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 13:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "loxham spent slightly longer in office than the others at eight years, six days, whereas the other two both served three days short of eight years" this is a bit trivia-esque isn't it? Presumably it's just down to the timing of the appointment, weekends/holidays etc?
    • I suppose it's overtrivial... removed. --Golbez (talk) 13:26, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "$132,932 (2009) [1]" remove the space before the ref.
  • "His term expires on January 4, 2011." ref?
  • You overlink Andrew Jackson (for instance) in the second table, but not Democratic in the third table. I think you should be internally consistent.
    • Names are overlinked, parties are not, that's consistent with the other FLs. There's typically only 2-5 parties in a list, whereas, IMO, it's not polite to ask the user to hunt (in the case of a repeat governor) through 50 listings to find out where his wikilink is. That said, since it's not that big a deal to de-overlink in the terr table. --Golbez (talk) 13:26, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Other "high" offices? What's a "high" office? Whose opinion? And why "Sources" when each case is "Source" (singular)?
    • I could say 'higher' but then we'd have the question of if a congressional seat is higher than gubernatorial. I could say 'federal' but it also includes being governor of other states. A simple 'high' seems the best compromise to me. --Golbez (talk) 13:26, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "June 19, 1865[29]" missing a period here.
  • Note 24 could use a ref.

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Last colour code (#44) is split half-red, half-grey. What is the grey? Independent isn't in the key?
    • Independent being in the key would fudge the numbering, since it's based on the official numbering and Crist is already counted as a Republican. The only way around it would be to abandon that numbering and count Crist twice, despite him being elected only as a Republican, or to add Independent with no number and just a footnote. ... I could do that. --Golbez (talk) 13:26, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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