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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 19:09, 4 August 2012 [1].

List of Ed, Edd n Eddy episodes[edit]

List of Ed, Edd n Eddy episodes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Khanassassin ☪ 11:56, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because a lot of hard work has been put into this list and I believe it meets the criteria now. Khanassassin ☪ 11:56, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "Ed, Edd n Eddy is an award-winning 131-episode animated television series" - is that 131 stand-alone episodes or 131 segments?
  • Lead section seems lacking somewhat. Could more be added about awards, the series end, or its history on CN?
  • The series overview table also looks a little bare. Not sure what you could add, though.
  • Does the sixth season really need its own article?
  • The Big Picture Show is wikilinked to itself.
  • No production codes for the specials?
    • Sadly, there not listed anywhere. They are at TVRage, but that page is unreliable black-listed on Wikipedia. --Khanassassin ☪ 07:47, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:FLCR requires that a featured list be well-illustrated and include images.

Paper Luigi T • C 20:44, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work. I also touched up a few things like hyphens, commas, etc. just now. The last sentence of the intro doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the paragraph, though, but that's all I noticed. As for the production codes, where did you find the ones for the other episodes? Paper Luigi T • C 20:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You can find it in the "General" sources: The Addic7ed source. It has been named as a reliable source recently at a discussion at the talk pag of WikiProject Television. :) The last sentence isn't really needed, but is not a real problem either. --Khanassassin ☪ 20:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
How about Epguides.com as a source for the other PCs? I checked out TVRage and they seem to match. Paper Luigi T • C 20:50, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • One more thing, the lead closely mirrors the one on the main EEnE page. Think you could re-word it a bit so it doesn't look blatantly copied? Paper Luigi T • C 21:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Added the Epguide source and codes. I also changed the lead slightly; Not perfect, but it's the best I can do. :) --Khanassassin ☪ 16:36, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Great. Ok, a few more things I noticed:
    • The article could use an external links section.
    • "All specials written by..." could those names be incorporated into the table?
    • The series overview table says that S3 has 25 episodes, but I count 26.
    • It also says that S4 has 25 episodes, but I count 24.

Paper Luigi T • C 19:54, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The episode-count was my mistake, sorry. Taken care of. I don't know if including the writers' names in the Specials table would be the best idea, as the writers are the same for each episode. :/ - They could be added, but maybe not the best idea. :) Totally forgot about the external links, sorry. Added. So... Done. :) --Khanassassin ☪ 15:36, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. No further comments. I support. Paper Luigi T • C 21:28, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Comments – I've been hard on certain issues with this list before, and don't want the nominator to feel like I'm on their case too much, so I'm leaving others to check for close paraphrasing/plagarism. Please, someone check the film summary while this is here; typing a few random bits into Google should be sufficient for our purposes. Now that that's addressed...

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 17:16, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
*Alt text for the lead image would be nice.
  • "which would be produced similar to classic cartoons from the 1940s to the 1970s." "similar" → "similarly"?
  • Don't need two Cartoon Network links in the lead.
  • Don't like to see "amongst" instead of "among"; why make the writing more stuffy and formal than it needs to be?
  • Missing "a" in "out of total of ten nominations". And I assume this means award nominations?
  • Remove the all caps from reference 4.
  • What makes Addic7ed or Epguides reliable sources? Giants2008 (Talk) 01:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Took care of all the issues, minus the source-related one. OK, here's the thing: At first, I wasn't completely sure about the reliability of the Addic7ed source, a discussion at the WikiProject Television talk page resulted like this: Although not the best source, and it would be better if some better-known site could be used as a source, Addic7ed is still a good subtitile site and reliable source. About Epguides: Well, I simply thought it was reliable, however, I noticed the top of the site says "Epguides and TV Rage present" - and I believe TV Rage isn't a reliable source, but wanted to make sure by waiting for a comment by a more experienced editor which would confirm the site being an unreliable source. If the Epguides source goes, the list'll only lose the movie's special episodes' production codes; If the Addic7ed source goes, the list'll lose all the episodes' production codes. If an absance of production codes doesn't prevent the list from getting featured, that's fine by me. I personally think they're useless, and believe readers are never interested in the production codes - I sure am not. :) --Khanassassin ☪ 19:08, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let it be noted that I checked a couple of short passages from the movie summary, which was the area I was most concerned about. Aside from a couple of Wikipedia mirror sites I'm not concerned about, there were no matches with other sites. I know I said I'd let someone else do it, but since no one did a check I wanted to get that out of the way, and am happy that no issues were detected. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:30, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:57, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  • Lead image caption doesn't need a period.
    • Sure. Done. :)
  • Table column widths should be the same from section to section.
    • I believe I have resolved this issue. :) Done.
      • No, and the Series overview table has gone nuts... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Um, the table that needs equal column widths is the Series overview table, right? Or are you referring to the episode tables? -OK, that's a bit strange. The tables have 5 sections, and why would I give 20% width to the "No. in series" alone, where there are only a few numbers (1, 45 etc.) and give the same width to the Written by section, where there are like 2 to 5 names? :/
          • No, I don't mean that, I mean from season to season the same column in each season should be the same width. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
            • Oh, OK. Now, did I do it right? The tables are the same, with an exception of the Special episodes table --Khanassassin ☪ 13:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "due to high demand by fans" bit clumsy, not encyclopaedic, perhaps "as a result of its popularity" or something.
    • Done. :)
  • "Their plans usually" -> "The Eds.." (because last group you mentioned were the cul-de-sac kids).
    • OK. Done. :)
  • "Feeling confined to gross and edgy work" I don't really get this at all. Can you write in more encyclopaedically?
    • Well, I don't see what's not to get. He felt that he was confined, limited, couldn't do as much etc. with his previous works, which were more adult-orientated, featuring gross and edgy content
  • "which Antonucci refused to give" probably don't need "to give" here.
    • "Done. :)
  • "A number of..." how many?
    • Four. Done :)
  • "The first five seasons in addition to the Big Picture Show film are " would expect comma after seasons and film.
    • Done. :)
  • "Viewed from 31 million households worldwide in 29 different countries..." which series? all of them?
    • The Ed, Edd n Eddy series... No other. Lol. Are you referring to the English alternative for "season"? -Well, the sentence stands for "throughout its run"... So, the series in general, no season specified.
  • Would split DVD table in two so the "other work" section is a different table.
    • Done. :)
  • Avoid use of the semi-colon for the headings in the refs. Just use standard bold. This is a recent WP:ACCESS concern.
    • Done. :)
  • Why is Amazon.com a "work" (i.e. in italics) when it's clearly publishing this information?
    • Oh my God! How could I have done that! I should... OK, whatever, Done. :) --Khanassassin ☪ 19:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:22, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I truly believe that the list doesn't deserve an oppose, and I believe the issue are resolved. :) --Khanassassin ☪ 19:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Per WP:TVLEAD, "It is not recommended that the phrase "award-winning" be used in the first sentence of the lead: it provides insufficient context to the reader, and subsequent paragraphs in the lead can detail the major awards or nominations received by the television show." TRLIJC19 (talk) 07:32, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. :) --Khanassassin ☪ 11:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I believe this list now meets the featured list criteria. TRLIJC19 (talk) 17:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • What kind of animated series is it? Comedy, etc.
    • Done.
  • and produced by Canadian-based a.k.a. Cartoon → and produced by Canada–based a.k.a. Cartoon
    • Done.
  • "and Cartoon Network" should be "and the Cartoon Network"
    • Sorry, but this is not true: I know what you want to say. CN is never referred to as "the Cartoon Network", for example, commercials on CN say "Samurai Jack, only on Cartoon Network", not "only on the Cartoon Network". :)
  • "The first five seasons, in addition to the Big Picture Show film are available for download on the iTunes Store" needs reference
    • It is referenced in the "General" section of the refs.
  • Ed, Edd n Eddy was generally well-received by critics → Ed, Edd n Eddy received generally positive reviews from critics
  • Series overview should have different cols for each DVD realease date, like in this article, at the side where it says "DVD realease date" for clean-up, so it doesn't look so messy
    • That is just one way to do it, which wouldn't be the best in this article: The only DVD that's not Region 1-only is the Complete First Season DVD, so it would be useless to have a whole column for only one date and a bunch of "N/A"s.
  • Overlinking for references. Animation World Network is linked on Ref. 1, 2, 25, 26, 27, 28, while it should only be linked once
    • Done.
  • Overlinking for references: Nickelodeon is linked twice
    • Done.
  • Ref. 3: IGN is missing publisher (News Corporation)
    • Done.
  • Ref. 4: The Huffington Post is missing publisher (AOL)
    • Done.
  • Ref. 6: "Cartoon Network compilation DVDs featuring selected Ed, Edd n Eddy episodes:" is unnecessary
    • Done.
  • Ref. 8: DVD Talk is missing the publisher (Internet Brands)
    • Done.
  • Ref. 17, 18: Nickelodeon is missing publisher (Viacom)
    • Done.
  • Ref. 20: Amazon.com should be linked (only on Ref. 20)
    • Done.
  • Add external link for IMDb episodes of the series
    • IMDb's lists only work for One-season episodes. - There's no full list, only for seperate seasons.
  • Add external link for epguides' list of the episodes
    • Done.
  • iTunes Store is missing publisher (Apple)
    • Done.

TBrandley 22:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Great work! TBrandley 16:12, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My comments:

  • "Antonucci decided to produce ... would be produced" - avoid using the same verb twice in one sentence.
  • "go in his own direction" - feels a bit too informal, might be just me
    • Meh, seems good to me... not sure what the replacement could be, though. --Khanassassin ☪ 16:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A first full to seasons" - what does this mean? Is it an industry term for DVD releases? Consider replacing with a less specialized term
  • Have you considered using the transclusion trick found in List of Bleach episodes to generate episode name tables by transcluding the season pages? It might save time down the line when you're improving the season pages. Also, it's really cool.
    • I agree it's very cool, however, a user in the previous FLC noted that the season lists are not featured, meaning they can not be transcluded... sadly. :/ --Khanassassin ☪ 16:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • I did not know that. I don't see that listed anywhere in the FL criteria... Well, it looks like you've had that setup in the past so it should not be difficult to revive it if/when you get the individual season lists up to FL. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, Axem Titanium (talk) 15:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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