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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:21, 4 August 2010 [1].

List of Cleveland Indians managers[edit]

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Nominator(s): LAAFan 15:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this this list because I feel it meets criteria. This uses the format of List of Kansas City Royals managers, a featured list. Thanks for the comments in advance. LAAFan 15:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 15:55, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I looked for a reference to replace the Baseball Reference citation, but I could not. I added an additional reference covering Gordon's election into the Hall of Fame.--LAAFan 15:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:14, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments:
    • First thing I noticed was some sorting issues. When I sort wins Joe Birmingham's 170 is ranked first, and Bill Armour's 232 wins are ranked with the under-100 crowd. Also, the playoff wins and losses need to be sorted so Hargrove's rank first. Lastly, for no World Series titles either write 0 or -, not both. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The Indians have had 44 managers in their history, of whom Jimmy McAleer became the first manager of the then Cleveland Blues in 1901" I'd split these up, one sentence as 44 managers, the other starting noting that McAleer was the first manager.
      • Done.
    • "The highest win total and loss total" highest win-loss total.
      • Done
    • One more thing I'd like to see is a couple pictures alongside the table, perhaps of Hargrove or Speaker. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:29, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Done
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  • "The Cleveland Indians are a professional baseball franchise based in Cleveland, Ohio. They are members of the Central division of Major League Baseball's American League.[1] The Indians franchise was formed in 1901." would merge the last sentence with the first.done
  • "There have been 44 managers for the Indians. " this may be USEng but I'd prefer "The Indians have had 44 managers..." and perhaps merge with next "... the first of whom was ...."?done
  • You do records before history, so the lead reads quite awkwardly for me
    • done
  • No need to repeat Hargrove's first name.
    • done
  • No need to repeat Armour's first name.
    • done
  • Ditto McAleer.
    • done
  • And Wedge.
    • done
  • Reference(s) could easily be Ref(s) which is more appropriate for such a narrow column.
    • done
  • Seasons sorts all out of order in Safari.
    I have no idea why they are out of order in Safari, but the template for seasons is the same as in all other FL MLB manager pages.--LAAFan 00:27, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • FYI, it's the two lines where you have seasons separated by commas that appear to be the problem. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:23, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh, I see. Okay. Will fix those.--LAAFan 16:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why does Hargrove need six references?
    The additional references are for each of his playoff years. I was told in a previous FLC that there needs to be a reference for each playoff playoff appearance.--LAAFan 00:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hargrove's Retrosheet page provides his entire playoff record on one page, which should eliminate the need for 5 separate refs for each playoff appearance. However, Retrosheet has his playoff record as 27-25, not 25-22. Are you sure you counted the 1999 division series? Rlendog (talk) 02:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • My mistake, it is 27-25. Changed the reference to retrosheet.--LAAFan 16:18, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Totals could use comma delimiters for 1,000s.**done

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:35, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Rlendog (talk) 02:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comment - The Boudreau image seems to be copyrighted. I am not sure fair use applies to these lists. I also commented above about the Hargrove refs. Rlendog (talk) 02:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Changed picture to Tris Speaker.--LAAFan 16:18, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks. I did have one additional comment. The last three sentences are unreferenced (Wedge won manager of the year and was the 1st Indian to do so, Wedge was fired, as opposed to resigning or terminating in some other manner). "Wedge became the first Indians manager to win the Manager of the Year award, in 2007. The current manager of the Indians is Manny Acta. He was hired after the 2009 season after Wedge was fired." These do not seem to be explicitly supported by the list, so I think inline citations should be included, or in the case of the last sentence it could be reworded to something like "Acta replaced Wedge after the 2009 season." Rlendog (talk) 00:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Done. Reference the manager of the year, and replaced the last two with your suggestion.--LAAFan 05:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - All my issues have been addressed. Rlendog (talk) 02:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • I think a couple small details could be added to the lead, namely the year Speaker led them to the playoffs and what the lowest winning percentages were. I've seen such facts in other coach/manager FLs.
    • Done
  • "Out of the six managers that have led the Indians into the postseason, only Speaker and Lou Boudreau have led the Indians to their only World Series Championships in 1920 and 1948, respectively." Last part of the sentence is quite awkward. Perhaps try something like "have led the Indians to World Series championships, doing so in 1920 and 1948, respectively."
  • En dash needed in "win-loss total" to replace the hyphen.
    • Done
  • "The current manager of the Indians is Manny Acta. Acta replaced Wedge after the 2009 season." Instead of having the repetition around the sentence break, how about "Acta, who replaced Wedge after the 2009 season."?
    • done

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I've never brought this up before but given that the B-Ref HoF page notes whether someone was inducted as a player or manager, and given that this is a list of managers (making managerial HoF-status more important) could we get two colors/symbols for HoF managers vs. HoF players who managed? Staxringold talkcontribs 22:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Cool, thanks. Could you note that Lopez is the only one to go in as a manager in the lead? Staxringold talkcontribs 01:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done


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