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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted 07:29, 25 February 2008.

List of Boston Red Sox seasons[edit]

Self nomination. I have worked on this a lot over the past week or so and after reviewing the featured list criteria, believe this qualifies as a featured list. STORMTRACKER 94 Go Sox! 11:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose at the moment. It's a monumental piece of work and I have a few comments:
    • Lead is very short indeed. I know there is prose further on but a couple of summary style paragraphs at the beginning would do no harm.
    • Year ranges need to use en-dash, not hyphens.

checkY STORMTRACKER 94 Go Sox! 23:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • The "cruse" begins? Typo - check thoroughly for any more.

checkY STORMTRACKER 94 Go Sox! 12:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • The tables in regular season results are malformed - there appears to be an extra column sneaking around there.

checkY STORMTRACKER 94 Go Sox! 12:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Bold, italicised and normal fonts for the seasons - I understand what they're for on a second reading but a key (or explanation, possibly in the lead) would be useful.

checkY STORMTRACKER 94 Go Sox! 23:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • A lot of overlinking - the tables aren't sortable so you wouldn't need to relink American League (say) every line.
    • "The first modern World Series, the Red Sox defeated Pittsburgh." - it looks like the third one to me? Confused.
    • Early years section starts with a full stop and new line.
    • The prose sections are nice but unreferenced.
    • Any reason for the (at least) three different results formats in the playoffs section?
    • Actual scorecards for individual games is getting really down into the trivia - the article is about seasons, not a specific season.
    • If you need so many sections, look at suppressing the table of contents to maybe level 2 - it's far too long at the moment!
  • Hope some of the comments help. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a good piece of work but I think that the post season tables etc look really messy and horrible. I think it would be better to get rid of them or to dramatically clean them up. 02blythed (talk) 12:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Matthew
  • I’m not familiar with baseball, so what is “post-season” performance? Sports I’m familiar with (soccer, rugby, cricket), there isn’t usually any post season games unless they involve the national team.

checkY STORMTRACKER 94 Go Sox! 11:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • ”Division champions” and “Wild Card Berth” mean nothing to the uneducated reader.

checkY STORMTRACKER 94 Go Sox! 11:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

checkY   jj137 (talk) 02:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • ”Hitting 29.” Balls? Home runs?

checkY   jj137 (talk) 02:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Remove the comments from the headers, such as “The curse begins”, “the slump continues”, “Ted Williams and World War II” et al. Only the years are needed.

checkY STORMTRACKER 94 Go Sox! 17:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Remark about Earl Webb needs a reference.
checkY   jj137 (talk) 02:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • From the lead: where are the Boston Red Sox? To a reader unfamiliar with America, it could be unclear.

checkY STORMTRACKER 94 Go Sox! 11:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

checkY I think I fixed it, or is it too short?   jj137 (talk) 22:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

checkY   jj137 (talk) 22:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The term “charter member” and “upon its arrival as a major league” are utterly confusing to me and without explanation.
  • In the ‘’’Key’’’ section, it may be worth saying “American League champion” instead of “AL champion”, as AL hasn’t been explained.
  • A reference is needed for “Before the team was called the Boston Red Sox, they were the Boston Americans.”
  • "As the Americans” – is it “Boston Americans”, or “Americans”?
  • Merge the third sentence re 1907 with the first.
  • Curse of the Bambino , Harry Frazee and Babe Ruth need expanding. I don’t want to click another link to find out, so even one sentence each would be better than nothing.
  • I’m pretty sure “Legend has it” are WP:Weasel words and the sentence also need a reference. I’m skeptical on its encyclopaedic value, also.
  • I don’t understand “Games behind” well, but I’m assuming it means how many game wins the Red Sox had versus the winner of that year. But how do you get to a half a game?
  • The years in the headers should be en-dash, not dash.

checkY   jj137 (talk) 14:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

checkY   jj137 (talk) 22:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • References are needed for each section’s paragraphs.
  • ”era of the team sometimes called the "Ted Sox."” – is this WP:OR or can you find a reference?
  • "Yawkey would acquire Lefty Grove, one of the greatest pitchers of all-time, Joe Cronin, an outstanding shortstop and manager, Jimmie Foxx, the slugging first baseman, and Wes Ferrell, a pitcher.” Is Lefty one of the greatest pitchers, or Joe Cronin? Is Joe an outstanding shortstop and manager, or is Jimmie? Etc. And also seems like original research and WP:Peacocky. References also needed.
  • ”Williams is generally considered one of the greatest hitters of all time, because he consistently hit for both high power and high average.” ”Stories of his ability to hold a bat in his hand and correctly estimate its weight down to the ounce have floated around baseball circles for decades. His book The Science of Hitting is widely read by students of baseball.” Says who? The whole paragraph sounds OR, weasely and peacocky, and needs references.
  • I’ve stopped at the 1940s, because there’s already too much that needs fixing before I continue. A peer review would probably help if it hasn't gone through one already. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 01:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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