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The list was promoted by Giants2008 19:36, 22 February 2011 [1].

List of Alabama Crimson Tide football head coaches[edit]

List of Alabama Crimson Tide football head coaches (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Patriarca12 (talk) 21:55, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it does meet the FL criteria as it has been modeled after successful college football coach lists such as List of Texas Tech Red Raiders head football coaches and List of Texas Longhorns head football coaches Thanks! Patriarca12 (talk) 21:55, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments - generally fine, but some technical issues I find with sortable tables and Safari...
    1. as "number of coaches" makes no sense. It's the order in which coaches were in charge of the team. And it's confusing when you have two Eli Abbott's - he wasn't the "second" coach in 1902, he was the 8th. This needs sorting out.
  • Removed the # column all together as sorting by tenure yields the same result.
  • Where no games have been played (and you use em-dash I think), this should sort as "less than zero". Right now, I sort by OT (for instance) and instead of getting Bryant with the most OT I get the six coaches who never went to overtime. It doesn't make sense at all. This is true of all columns with these dashes.
  • Corrected, should sort properly now.
  • NCs col, not sure why text is left-aligned while 0's are centrally aligned.
  • Fixed.
  • "on the field record" - this is unclear to a non-expert. What does 9-3-1 mean?
  • Clarified both items for both notes.
  • "to vacate 5 victories due" I've never heard of "vacating" a victory but I guess that's USEng. In any case, that should be five, not 5.
  • Corrected and clarified "vacating" in both notes.
  • Specific refs should have exactly the same title as the general ref they use, so 1 and 2 should say "2010 Alabama Football Media Guide, p. xxxx".
  • Corrected.
  • For links which are pdfs, please use the format= parameter.
  • Added.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:53, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the comments! All have now been addressed. Patriarca12 (talk) 23:52, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NThomas (talk) 21:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Nick Saban is already wikilinked in the first paragraph of the lead; the last mention of Saban in the lead doesn't need a wikilink.
  • Wikilink removed.
  • Good call. Added and cited.
  • Done. I should have caught that previously. Thanks for pointing it out.
  • The College Football Hall of Fame references in the table are unnecessary as all four are previously referenced in the lead.
  • Removed
  • Kines never coached a conference game yet the entries for conference wins and losses and conference championships have 0 instead of an em dash.
  • Done
  • Tie games were eliminated beginning in 1996, yet DuBose, Franchione, Shula, and Saban all have 0 instead of an em dash in the post-season tie column.
  • Done
  • Price never coached a single game so all entires should have an em dash.
  • Done

NThomas (talk) 23:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • All comments addressed. Thanks for taking a look at this! Patriarca12 (talk) 03:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Very quick response and corrections. Great work. NThomas (talk) 06:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments

  • During Beaumont's only season as head coach, the Crimson Tide were not a member of any conference making him ineligible to win a conference championship.
  • Done
  • Kines' needs a overall percentage again.
  • Done
  • The listed years for awards, need to either all follow a four character numbering scheme or all need to begin with four and continue with two. The way it is now, some entries have both or one or the other. Example: 1961, 64 vs 1961, 1964
  • Done
  • Good call yet again! Added.

NThomas (talk) 06:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Everything looks good. Another great CFB HC list. NThomas (talk) 21:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ChrisTheDude (talk · contribs)
  • Shouldn't the first sentence read "The Alabama Crimson Tide football program is a college football team that represents the University of Alabama"........?
  • Corrected
  • "the team has played more than 1,100 games in their 116 seasons" - mixing singular and plural when describing the same thing
  • Corrected
  • "he accumulated a 232 wins" - should that "a" be there......?
  • Corrected
  • "Jennings B. Whitworth has the lowest winning percentage of those who have coached more than one game with .067" - suggest adding a comma after "game"
  • Corrected
  • Now bear in mind here that I know nothing about college football, so I may be misunderstanding here, but if the team did not "join a conference in the traditional sense" (whatever that means) till 1922, should the coaches prior to then not all have a dash in the CCs column like Beaumont does..........?
  • I have gone through the seasonal archives and added SIAA victories to the coaches' totals as Bama was part of the SIAA between 1895–1922.

Anyway, hope all that helps..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:06, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you for taking the time to take a look at this as the comments are greatly appreciated and now addressed. Patriarca12 (talk) 23:41, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • Add "an" in "for .824 winning percentage."
  • Done
  • One of the coaches won his only career start. Therefore, Bear Bryant is technically not the all-time winning percentage leader. If this causes a problem for the lead, you can qualify the stat like when the lowest winning percentage is discussed.
  • Corrected
  • Typo in note 6: "ineligiable". Also, I'm not crazy about the flow in "the NCAA ruled Alabama to". Maybe try "the NCAA ruled that Alabama must..."? There's a similar usage in note 8.
  • Done & addressed additional comment
  • Add "for" to "Thus the official NCAA record 1993 is 1–12."
  • Done

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the comments! All have been addressed. Patriarca12 (talk) 00:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Moderate support a real minor one, but I think it's a little odd to link Saban in a list of "led to postseason" teams, and then mention he's the current coach as the last sentence of the lead. Perhaps consider moving the fact he's the current coach from the end of the lead to the start of the lead, and therefore avoid repeating his first name twice in the lead (including once in the lead image). Everything else is spot on as far as I can tell on a re-visit (although I still hate #=number of coaches, it isn't, it's just chronological order of coaches). The Rambling Man (talk) 19:04, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good call. I placed the sentence in question in the lead as it does make more sense there than at the end since he is the current head coach. As for the # column, it does serve a purpose more than just chronological as Kines served only in an interim role and the university lists Saban as the 27th head coach, not the 28th. Thanks again for the comments! Patriarca12 (talk) 19:26, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • No bother. I agree the hash column is needed but the title in the key is the odd thing for me. It's more like "Order of coach (not including repeats) in coach history" which is clearly awful, but it really isn't "number of coaches"... do you get my drift? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:40, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I hear what you're saying. I changed the word to "order" and added a more detailed description to the note. I know it's not perfect, but it is better now I think. Thanks again! Patriarca12 (talk) 23:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Courcelles 17:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments
Saban should be linked somewhere in the lede, not just the caption.
  • Done
Why define an abbreviation you never use again? (FBS is the culprit)
  • Removed
Question I know the answer to. The SEC wasn't founded until '33, so what conference did Wade win his conference titles in?
  • Clarified in sentence
"Bryant is the leader in seasons coached and most wins, as he accumulated 232 wins during his 25 years with the program." "as he" does not strike em as the optimal connector here.
  • Revised
Mix of date formats in the refs; ref 15 vs 16.
  • Revised
Ref 26 is missing a 0
  • Revised

Courcelles 19:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One more, if possible, I think I'd prefer to see Eli Abbott's two tenures on two separate rows, to break out the statistics. Courcelles 19:57, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree to any consensus reached on this, but I believe having Abbott's two tenures combined is appropriate as it is a listing of overall coaches, and season records are covered in other articles. Thanks for the comments! Patriarca12 (talk) 23:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from KV5
  • "that represents the University of Alabama in the West Division of the Southeastern Conference (SEC) in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division I Football Bowl Subdivision." - this is a lot of prepositional phrases in a row. I suggest a re-word because the current first sentence looks like a run-on and should be split.
  • Cleaned-up
  • "27 head coaches, and one interim head coach" - these are comparable quantities, per MOS:NUM, change "one" to 1
  • Done
  • "Wade captured"... "Saban captured" - repetitive, change one of these to won
  • Done
  • "Saban all won" - should be each won
  • Done
  • "Bryant is the leader in ... most wins" - I know that's not what you actually wrote, but that's the way the modification ends up. Change "most wins" to games won
  • Done
  • "wins... wins" - change to games won, with 232 victories
  • Done
  • "prior to ever coaching" - besides the split infinitive, the meaning doesn't suffer by removing "ever", so it's extraneous; remove
  • Done
  • Keep your decimal places in the table the same; if all the winning percentages are extended to three decimal places (.750), then so should be 1.000.
  • Done
  • Replace daggers with {{dagger}}, using alt text per ACCESS concerns.
  • Done
  • Also in the ACCESS vein, all rows should be marked up with the coach as the row header. The data table tutorial can help you with this.
  • Done

Hope these comments help. — KV5 • Talk • 00:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for taking the time to comment on this. It is much appriciated! Patriarca12 (talk) 02:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

'Support, spot on: nothing from me at all. Harrias talk 23:31, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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