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Katy Perry videography[edit]

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Nominator(s): Frankie talk and Snuggums (talk / edits) 09:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This list was previously the part of Katy Perry discography, but was separated by the user Samjohnzon. Also, I would like to acknowledge and thank the fellow editor SNUGGUMS for the contributions he has made. I believe this a second open nomination for me, with the first one having already 5 supports and no outstanding concerns. I will try to resolve reviewer's queries with the best of my ability. Cheers. -- Frankie talk 09:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've added my name as a nominator given my edits to the article. Hope you don't mind. Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:44, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Of course not in fact I was going to add your name anyway~, but it automatically inserted my name. -- Frankie talk 14:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Azealia911[edit]

  • Consider a lighter shade of red for the infobox listing for "Television"
  • Could the N/A templates possibly be expanded? EG {{N/A|None}}. A bare N/A always feels so vague to me.
  • Can you explain the "Other videos" table to me? I see no reason why it can't be slotted into the above table.
  • Are any of the descriptions actually covered in the references? I've checked a couple, and in the two I've checked; Kesha isn't mentioned in the Hot n Cold reference, while Matt Dallas isn't mentioned in the Thinking of You reference.
  • Since this is for plot, I don't think we need to provide references for each and every plot point. And as the description does not provide any additional analysis, the contents should be easily verifiable. In that case, I am not sure if multiple references will help. Besides, no reference really states the "entire" plot of a narrative. Every plot point is only verifiable if we watch the entire music videos. Thanks for your other comments anyway. I shall resolve them tomorrow. -- Frankie talk 21:15, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps I worded it wrong, I wasn't asking you to verify every single detail in the column, EG, I'm not going to strong oppose due to the fact that the Part Of Me reference doesn't say who Perry's boyfriend cheated on her with, while the column describes her as a co-worker. Just things that may be challanged like the two examples I gave prior. Azealia911 talk 21:23, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I personally do feel sources should support plot details, and will spot check the references Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have replaced those two sources, which now mention Kesha's and Dallas' appearances.
  • Add {{small|(featuring Patrick Stump) to the "Artist" column in "Guest appearances" for Cupid's Chokehold, like how Bitch I'm Madonna lists Minaj's feature.
  • "Company and product" is the header title for the "Commercials" table, yet there are no products mentioned in the column.
  • Of course there are e.g. Proactiv.
  • Nothing on this for commercials?
  • I am not sure about this one, but an ad was released by her to promote the film by Pepsi (which is mentioned in the list). Couldn't find a reference on this one.
  • Ref #61 is dead.

That's all I spotted. Azealia911 talk 19:58, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers Azealia, all fixed. -- Frankie talk 22:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per my comments being addressed, quickly and politely too. Any comments at an FLC I currently have open are greatly appreciated! Azealia911 talk 22:39, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the comments and support. I'll take a look at your nomination tomorrow. -- Frankie talk 22:43, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Wikipedian Penguin[edit]

Resolved comments. The Wikipedian Penguin 09:09, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "After starring in several music videos between 2005 and 2007, including 'Simple', a low-budget music video for 'Ur So Gay' was released."—I think we need some context here. Was "Ur So Gay" her first mainstream single?
  • "In 2008, she released music videos for 'I Kissed a Girl' and 'Hot n Cold' – both released from her second album One of the Boys – and the latter took place during a wedding."—"released ... released" is repetitive.
  • You don't need to say "music video" every time; it gets repetitive. You can use "video" in subsequent instances when it is clear you are talking about a song as opposed to eg. a film.
  • "Her 'Firework' video won the MTV Video Music Award for Video of the Year,[1] and the music video for "E.T." took place in outer space."—odd connection
  • "Perry voiced the Smurfette character in the animated feature The Smurfs and its sequel The Smurfs 2."—mention years, and move this to before her documentary for a chronological order.
  • Why is the description cell for "Ur So Gay" centred?
  • Awkward seeing Katy Perry as the name of the website. You can say "Katy Perry (Official Website)" or simply hard-code it ("KatyPerry.com"). The same thing with Toyota. Feel free to justify otherwise.
  • Ref 7 also results in a connection error.

Overall, this is great work you guys. The Wikipedian Penguin 12:36, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers @Wikipedian Penguin:. All sorted now. -- Frankie talk 14:02, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was working on these but you beat me to it, FrB.TG :P, though thanks for helping Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:57, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: "Simple" has been replaced with "Goodbye for Now" and "Cupid's Chokehold"; they actually have their own articles unlike "Simple", and those were also her first acting features along with "Learn to Fly" (but that doesn't have its own article) Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, some more:

  • When describing the content of fictional work like songs and videos, use present tense (eg. "is set in", "takes place", "features the singer").
  • "...and the latter took place during a wedding"—I know the intent with this is to summarize the video, but can we do without it? It just feels out of place and disrupts the flow. If you do remove this, you can change the dash to a comma.
  • "The Yoann Lemoine-directed video "Teenage Dream" saw her play a euphoric teenager."—journalese writing. Maybe "...depicts her as a euphoric teenager"?
  • "The music video for the song featured her in a jungle after a plane crash, followed by "Unconditionally", which focused on unconditional love."—sentence lacks logical flow and parallel structure
    Current version can still be improved. It reads as though "Unconditionally" was released after the plane crash. The Wikipedian Penguin 22:18, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the lead would flow better if the third paragraph started with the films than with Prism.
  • Not sure what you think about it, but I've also moved her TV roles to where the films are and gave Prism its own paragraph Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:29, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    This may be a matter of personal taste, but I still think the lead would flow better with the film/TV appearances in one paragraph. Maybe merging Prism info into the second paragraph? The Wikipedian Penguin 00:59, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent with whether the year column is centred across all tables.
  • In the television table, "Role" should be "Role(s)" since she has played multiple roles in SNL.
  • In the commercials table, the first header should be "Company or product" since we don't mention both in each cell. For the last row, for the sake of specificity, you can use Toyota Yaris as the product instead of just Toyota as the company. The Wikipedian Penguin 19:40, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for your detailed review. All fixed. -- Frankie talk 20:17, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support—nothing else to quibble at, well done! The Wikipedian Penguin 09:09, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for such an exhaustive review. Much appreciated. -- Frankie talk 09:15, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Much appreciated indeed, Wikipedian Penguin Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:17, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from West Virginian[edit]

SNUGGUMS and FrB.TG, following my review of this list, I assess that you have adequately addressed many of the concerns previously raised above by Wikipedian Penguin and Azealia911. The template at the top is beautifully formatted and the image of Perry in the info box is licensed CC BY-SA 2.0, so it is suitable for use here. The only unsourced content within the lede is content that is sourced below in the list, so that will do, which is in line with other featured videography lists. With that said, the article meets the criteria outlined in Wikipedia:Featured list criteria and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. I only have two comments, which are merely suggestions and are not deal breakers by any means. Great job on this article! -- West Virginian (talk) 18:33, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rather than say just "music market" which seem truncated, would it flow better if you render it as "the music industry market"?
  • Rather than sometimes using "video," every mention should be rendered "music video" for consistency's sake.

Thanks West Virginian. I changed "music market" to "music industry", but Wikipedian Penguin above advised against using "music video" so much as it was repetitive. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A thanks from me, too, West Virginian for such a polite review, which is quite rare in this encyclopedia. -- Frankie talk 21:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support: SNUGGUMS and FrB.TG, thank you for addressing my two points, and for all your hard work on this list. Congratulations on a job well done! While I would prefer "music video" being used consistently, I will defer to Wikipedian Penguin's review on that one. Thanks again! -- West Virginian (talk) 22:39, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, thanks for your kind review. Coming to your first query, I would agree with you on certain points. However, as WP Penguin said, it gets a bit repetitive as every time the readers know we are talking about music videos until the mention of film and television releases. Again, thanks for your review and support. -- Frankie talk 00:49, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, West Virginian, and thanks for the support :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:39, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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