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The list was promoted by Giants2008 10:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Drama Series[edit]

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Nominator(s): — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 12:01, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe that it meets the every single criteria. Also, I believe it to be well sourced and clear. After much tweaking and further adjustments I feel that it is worthy of being a Featured List. I believe this list is worthy, considering I worked on it with the Featured lists, Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Younger Actress in a Drama Series, Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Younger Actor in a Drama Series, Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series, Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series, Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series in mind. If you oppose, please address your issues here so they can be resolved.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 12:01, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Underneath-it-All
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  • The refs and tables look good!
  • "for a prior of two years." sounds awkward.

– Underneath-it-All (talk) 01:12, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 13:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Meets the criteria, and I see no problems.Caringtype1 (talk) 20:39, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much!  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 20:56, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 21:04, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Why is the lead so short? It's half (or less) the size of the other lists in this series. Given that this award appears to be the soap opera equivalent of the Best Picture Academy Award, I'd be very surprised if there isn't something more that can be said about it. Items like the first winner and number of shows to win the award seem like easy additions, for example.
    •  Done. The reason is that I do not have that many facts is that the Academy Awards are way more popular than the Daytime Emmys. This is all the informations I can recall.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 22:42, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • For the record, when I said number of shows I meant the number of different shows, not the total number of awards ceremonies. Far fewer than 43 shows have won, by the looks of it. I still think the lead is short and that more could be done to get at least two paragraphs out of it, like in your other lists. Whatever tricks you used to stretch those lists out would be helpful here. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done. I have expanded the lead as much I can. It was not esay to do.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 02:07, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The writing in the new areas is questionable. I wouldn't consider "Also, at the time there were few categories, this one, the top actor, and the top actress etc." to be FL-caliber prose, and "It is was given to thirtheen diffrent programs" has more glitches than usable writing, even though the idea is good. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:09, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "held in 1972 when the award was orginnally called...". Spot the typo? Two supporters obviously didn't.
  • "where this award was renamed Outstanding Drama Series and it is given in honor of a daytime drama." Remove "it is"?
  • The Ref column shouldn't have any colors.
    • IMO, I do not see the problem. Is this a criteria from a FL? I do not recall this being one. This issue was not brought up in the previous FLs. Thanks for the comments!  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 22:42, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008 (Talk) 21:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

      • There are certain expectations regarding appearance, and I'm not certain we can say that a ref column constitutes "suitable use" of colors per Criterion 5a. It's somewhat subjective, but I don't recall seeing this in an FL before, and I don't think the look is that attractive. If I had noticed this in a previous FLC of yours, I'd have pointed it out there, but now is as good a time as any to make improvements. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I still do not see the problem. However, if we are going to resolved this, pleas tell me how to remove the colour since I have no idea how to do it? Plus, the are plenty of FLs that uses colours, for his example , this, this, this and this and my my FLs. IMO, this is ridiculous and should be resolved.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 01:56, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I absolutely despise this look, but since it's in other lists by authors I greatly respect, I don't see much choice but to strike this one. This is still not something I want to see become a trend at FLC. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:09, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]


  • Three hyphens in a row is not a dash.
  • "et cetera" or "etc.", not "etcetera". Best avoided in formal writing though, if you can rephrase the sentence (or remove it, per next point).
  • Tell me more in the lead about this specific award. Can you come up with any other superlatives or trends? For the top daytime award I'm sure there's some other interesting info. The program history, origin of the Emmy name, and details about the statuette seem irrelevant here (everything after "Also").
  • I can not come up with any other informations/facts since like I said previously the Daytime Emmy Awards are very low profile but the Primetime and Oscars are very popular. If you do not believe me, search it yourself. Trust me, you won't. Furthermore, the program history, origin of the Emmy name are absoutlety needed. Maybe, the statuette isn't but that all the information I could of come up with.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 19:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry for the delay, I've been on vacation. You have a stats table for total awards won, how about one for nominations? What is the streak for most wins/nominations in a row for a show? What networks have been the most successful? Do the winners of this often coincide with the Writing Team/Actor/Actress winners? I fail to see why Emmy origins are necessary; we don't explain that 'Oscar' comes from an Uncle Oscar and that it weighs 8 pounds in every Academy Award article. Did the lack of integrity have to do with Outstanding Series balloting? Have there been any winner controversies? Is there a reason why the number of nominees has ranged from 3 to 6? If nothing can be said about the award other than that X, Y and Z won it, I'm not sure why it should be featured. Also, 1994 is missing the yellow. Reywas92Talk 04:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The final sentence of the lead runs on and ought to be split.
  • Table looks good, though I think the article could use more prose information. How about some statistics about the nominees?

Reywas92Talk 11:21, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support I see no clear problems in the list. The only thing I noticed was the issue with the colors in the ref column, but it has been already discussed and accepted, so I will accept it as well. Cambalachero (talk) 21:05, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I am going to fix the ref column problem very soon.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 22:19, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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