Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Chairman of the National Assembly of Vietnam/archive1

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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 09:28, 24 September 2012 [1].

Chairman of the National Assembly of Vietnam[edit]

Featured list candidates/Chairman of the National Assembly of Vietnam/archive1

Nominator(s): TIAYN (talk) 11:48, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnam... --TIAYN (talk) 11:48, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:53, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose (mainly due to lack of a "history"-style section)

Done Lead is too short, would merge in the subsequent section to meet WP:LEAD.
Done "the National Assembly. The National Assembly," avoid such rapid repetition.
Done You don't need the hat note saying "See also" when the page you link to has already been linked to in the main article.
Done "2nd" -> "second", "4th" -> "fourth".
Done Not sure about the staggered "See also" bullets.

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You could add an overview of the history of the position, including notable events that relate directly to the chairmanship (main oppose reason).

~~I'm on this one now (I'll be finished tomorrow; I need to gather my sources)~~ --TIAYN (talk) 17:51, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start work on this article when I find the time. --TIAYN (talk) 18:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be okay to withdraw the nomination in the meantime then? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done --TIAYN (talk) 08:33, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 18:32, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Done "was the scholar Nguyễn Văn Tố, and he was not..." -> "was the scholar Nguyễn Văn Tố, who was not..."
Done "On 3 March 1946 the National Assembly, under the chairmanship of Nguyễn Văn Tố, the National Assembly..." no need for the second National Assembly
Done "While he was never member of the Communist Party... missing an "a" between never and member
Done "and became the first chairman..." -> and was the first chairman
Done "when he became Chairman of the State Council was established" not sure what this means, doesn't make any sense to me

Still at a loss as to what this is trying to say, its grammatically incorrect and makes no sense, needs fixing or removing. NapHit (talk) 15:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did not see that comment, It know says; "when he became Chairman of the State Council, a newly-established post." Better? --TIAYN (talk) 17:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No worries reads a lot better now. NapHit (talk) 18:32, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done "and he was succeeded..."
Done "who became from a minority background, and he was the first chairman since Trường who was member of the Politburo" -> the became should just be came, could expand on the minority background bit, I take it he came from a minority race in Vietnam? without it explicitly stating that I'm not certain though.

NapHit (talk) 14:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support NapHit (talk) 18:32, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Crisco 1492 Done with 84.58% in favour - with a majority of 84.58% Thanks That's it, methinks. I did a copyedit. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:14, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 18:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

Done "is a permanent body which controls the activities of the National Assembly when its not in session." "its" → "it is", to avoid a contraction.
Done Photo of Nguyen Sinh Hung could use alt text.
- Minor, but the alt= is showing up to the readers, at least to this reader. It looks like you doubled up on the the alt= parameter in the infobox. Giants2008 (Talk) 15:19, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done --TIAYN (talk) 18:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Not done. There are still twin alt=, and I can still see one in the alt text. Giants2008 (Talk) 15:52, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - Done --TIAYN (talk) 21:00, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done History: Capitalization of Chairman is inconsistent here. It should be one way or the other.
- ~~Still see one capitalized Chairman by Nguyen Van An's name.~~ Giants2008 (Talk) 15:19, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done --TIAYN (talk) 18:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done Don't think there should be a hyphen in "newly-established".
Done Looks like Nong Duc Manh held office until 2001, not 2002 as this section says.
Done Refs 10 and 12 need publishers and access dates.
Done Ref 15 needs a link, or we're going to have a hard time with verification. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:27, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image review: No copyright problems found. Good raise 17:53, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not edit my comments. Thank you. Good raise 23:51, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ as no changes were made since 4 August. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 17:21, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done I'm back... --TIAYN (talk) 18:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Kürbis (✔) 12:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Wow, this review is running slow. Good work. TBran dl ey 00:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Harrias

* Done "Still, of the ten people who have chaired the National Assembly, only five of them have been members of the Politburo." – This sentence doesn't seem to need the word "still" at the start; it would mean exactly the same thing without it, and its inclusion creates a "chatty" tone which isn't encyclopedic. Also, what is the reference for stating that only five of the chairmen have been members of the Politburo?

Done "and another non-Communist Party member. While he was never a member of the Communist Party, he was a committed revolutionary." The repitition of the fact that he isn't a member of the Communist Party makes this section a little clunky: perhaps look at merging the two sentences, or at least changing their formation to remove the repitition.
Removed the word Nguyễn Hữu Thọ, a Southerner," – If a "Southerner" is a specific term for a group of people, link to a relevant article (or at least a red link that is likely to be created). There is also no mention of why his being a Southerner is relevant to this article, as no such descriptions are applied to the other chairmen.

Okay, I've just done a bit of reading around, and found that in 1976 North and South Vietnam "reuinfied", which might be worth mentioning in the article to prevent the sort of confusion I had!

Done "Nguyễn Hữu Thọ, a Southerner, succeeded Trường in 1981, as chairman, but he was not a member of the Politburo." Also, the comma after 1981 is not needed in this sentence.
Done I'm a little concerned that all the definition of the position, as provided in the lead section is all referenced to the Vietnamese government. Is there an independent source that can be used in that section at all?

What are the references for the birth and death years for the chairmen, the dates that they were in office, and for the rank of those that were members of the Politburo?

I've never really needed to add the sources for birth-death years before or for the assumption and the ending of holding office (but even if i wanted to add a source for the former, I'm unable too - I've tried.. There is not one single source, which contains a list of NA chairman, which is a problem), and I assume that I don't need to now either... --TIAYN (talk) 20:36, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done Hmmmm.. are there references for the dates they took office at least: given that is what the list is about, it seems that to not have citations for the dates in office is a little problematic. Harrias ^talk 20:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on it; I'm hoping to be finished by this weekends end. OK? --TIAYN (talk) 11:35, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Generally a pretty good list, not major points from me here. Harrias ^talk 21:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I found a source; see (its mentioned as a "General" source in the References section);

Staff writer. "Tìm hiểu về Bầu cử đại biểu QH và HĐND qua các thời kỳ" [Learn about the Election of Deputies to the National Assembly and People's Councils at different times]. Medical College of Quảng Ninh. Retrieved 15 September 2012.

--TIAYN (talk) 06:06, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The user is not replying, even if I have responded to his last comment. --TIAYN (talk) 19:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support Hi, sorry, I've been pretty distracted and busy recently. Looks good to me now. Sorry for holding things up. Harrias ^talk 22:18, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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