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The list was promoted by Giants2008 17:11, 4 September 2012 [1].

CPJ International Press Freedom Awards[edit]

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Nominator(s):  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC), Khazar2[reply]

We are nominating this for featured list because we feel it meets the criteria and covers an important aspect of the recognition of freedom of the press. The list is well illustrated and comprehensive, with a well-written lead and full referencing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from --Kürbis (✔) 10:08, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments
    • " awards are given to from four to seven individuals" - the "to from four to" is awkward. Perhaps remove "from"?
    • photojournalist should be photo journalist
      • Are you sure? The New York Times and BBC both appear to prefer the former ([2] vs. [3],[4] vs. [5]), and it's the given spelling in Merriam-Webster.[6]. Khazar2 (talk) 12:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • The article is at Photojournalism — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • My mistake
    • "US photojournalis" better "American"
    • In the external link section, state that it is its official site
    • Table could be sortable
    • Table does not meet the MOS:DTT
      • Any particular complaints? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • How's this? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • I think you need to use the scope=row for each rows. Perhaps something like this.
            • For the years? Doing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:15, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
              • This is, for some reason, automatically bolding the year. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:22, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
                • I think scope=row is clashing with sortable and row-span. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:29, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
                  • The DTT does not use scope=row with a sortable table. Which do you consider more important, that the table be sortable or that scope=row be included? Doesn't look like we can have our pie and eat it too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
                  • The example it gives is singles, and they write "The main subject of the row is in fact the name of the single. Thus, the first cell in the row should be a normal data cell instead of a row header." Thus, in this case (with our row-spanned table) this should not have a row header. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's all. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 12:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note that things in italics are actually newspapers
    • Check sorting of Manuel Vázquez Portal
      •  Done--changed per Spanish naming conventions and source [7]. Khazar2 (talk) 15:43, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Should Jesús Joel Díaz Hernández be sorted by Diaz or Hernandez? Not sure about this. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 15:01, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sorting generally based on what was in the articles. Khazar, what do you think of Manuel and Jesus? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:15, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      •  Done --Diaz Hernandez is the correct sorting. [8] Khazar2 (talk) 15:43, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • A minor point, but the sorting of Al-Sager and Al-Jamri should be "Sager" and "Jamri", ignoring the standard (and optional) Arabic "Al-". Khazar2 (talk) 16:17, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 22:25, 15 August 2012‎ (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • 1992-1997 civil war should be 1992–97 civil war per WP:DASH, and WP:YEAR
    •  Done Khazar2 (talk) 03:27, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Er, now actually done. Thanks for catching my reading comprehension fail. Khazar2 (talk) 03:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Missing comma after "2001"
    • Do you mean in the phrase "who was awarded in 2001 but attended the ceremony in 2009"? I'm not sure a comma should be used here, as it's not a compound sentence; if you imagine it with "and" instead of "but", I believe it wouldn't have a comma. Khazar2 (talk) 03:27, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • I just mean't add a comma between 2001 and but. But, that's okay. Regards. TBrandley 03:39, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per MOS:FLAG, remove the country flag icons.
  • I disagree. They are useful and important to understand and illustrate the country--Kürbis (✔) 07:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't think those countries should linked per WP:OVERLINK
  • If you mean they should be delinked, then I disagree, as not every country inside the table is reasonable. If we delink the common countries, there will be imbalance and irreverence towards other countries. This would be a violation of WP:NPOV, which is far stronger than OVERLINK. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 07:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry to butt in, but as long as either all countries or no countries are linked, then it is OK. I feel that country names without a flag icon is somewhat dull. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 07:57, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I feel about the same as you, Crisco. I'm okay either way--I like the flag templates but am not married to them, and would be fine removing them if that's the consensus here. CPJ does list winners as "Umar Cheema, Pakistan", etc., so I don't think it's giving nationality undue weight to add a flag. In short, glad to go by the consensus on this one. Khazar2 (talk) 10:15, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't feel like its a big issues, but I figured that we may as well per MOS:FLAG. TBrandley 02:21, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alright, I guess we'll let it be unless there is consensus that the templates are unnecessary. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • align references to the center in the table
  • Categories should be in alphabetical order

TBrandley 03:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    • I think we should go with those table suggestions. If you don't get em, I'll fix it up when I get home (at work now) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It should and can be represented as one of Wikipedia's finest lists. Great work! TBrandley 02:30, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 13:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "in defending press freedom in the" in ... in... repetitive.
    • How's this?
  • Maybe worth putting (CPJ) after your explanation of the acronym.
    • Agree
  • " to four to seven " to ... to... again, little repetitive.
    • How's this?
  • I think you could explain a little bit about the significance of each of the hosts?
    • Done.
  • That's not the Black Panther you want to link to, is it?
    • Done.
  • And Abu-Jamal has a hyphen.
    • Done.
  • "in 2009,[13] or " not or, it's "and".
    • Done.
  • " J.S. Tissainayagam" space between J and S.
    • Done.
  • You could tag the posthumous recipients in the table, perhaps with a {{dagger}} template?
    • How's this?
  • "of his death were unclear." surely "are" unclear?
    • Done

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 16:07, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "The awards were founded in 1991 and are administered..." you go from past to present tense in this sentence, making it dramatically incorrect. Rephrase to "Established in 1991, the awards are administered
    • Done
  • refs should come after punctuation, currently the second usage of ref 1 does not
    • Done
  • Images could do with alt text
    • I've inserted alt text, but I'm less experienced with this; let me know if this is acceptable. Khazar2 (talk) 16:20, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Just a comment (I have no issues with ALT text): at FAC, at least, it's no longer required. That being said I expanded the ALT text a little with a short physical description. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:20, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 15:47, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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