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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 15:39, 1 July 2011 [1].

1998 Asian Games medal table[edit]

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Nominator(s): — Bill william comptonTalk 15:27, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The list contains sufficient entries, completely sourced, good accompanying prose, images, etc. In nutshell meets all of the FL criteria. I'll try my best to answer each query rises during the course of nomination, thanks. — Bill william comptonTalk 15:27, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 20:55, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Citations in the second paragraph in the medal table section should be positioned correctly, after a punctuation mark and leaving a space between it and the following text.
Done
  • "Sepaktakraw" should be two words "sepak takraw".
Done
  • In principle, support. Just a quick question: Is it standard to call the periodic Games with "this" rather than "these", as in the 3rd sentence? I understand it's one event, but it still sounds grammatically odd. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 09:58, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I guess there is no standard. Some use "these", while at many places "this" is also in use. Even on Wikipedia there is no fixed convention, I guess I'll have to discuss it with my project members (WikiProject Olympics), for now I've made it neutral with "This edition of the Games".
Resolved earlier comments from Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*Oppose for now. I disagree that there is "good accompanying prose", at least right now. Some comments: Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Removed
    • "competing in 376 events in 36 sports and 44 disciplines" — "in 376 events in 36 sports" or "in 376 events in 44 disciplines", but there's no need to mention both, imo. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • "This Games remarked as the debut of three new sport events—squash, rugby union and cue sports—in the list of Asian Games sports, squash was included after the seven years of lobbying by Asian Squash Federation." Grammar. Semicolon before "squash was included", perhaps. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • "Athletes from 33 countries won at least one medal, leaving eight countries without a medal, and 23 of them won at least one gold medal." This sentence reads weird. You've taken "athletes from countries" and "countries" and put them in the same sentence, and to compound that use "of them" later in the same line. Of what? Athletes? Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done Change to NOCs
    • "South Korean athletes claimed 164 medals in total, including 65 golds and earned second spot in medal table." Grammar - remove the comma or add a second one after the gold medal clause. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • "Host nation Thailand improved its medal table rank three folds as compare to last Asian Games held in Hiroshima, where it finished at the twelfth spot." It's "threefold", not "three folds"; I'm also not convinced you can use threefold on position. Threefold means "three times". Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • "two bronze medals were awarded per event in ten sports: (...) sanshou event of wushu" An event is not a sport. Use "wushu (sanshou event only)", perhaps. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • "Additionally in swimming, there was a three-way tie in men's 100 m freestyle event, thus three bronze medals were awarded; also a tie for second position in women's 100 m freestyle event meant that no bronze was awarded." Grammar: "also" is unnecessary here. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • "In wushu, a tie for silver medal position in men's changquan discipline of taolu event" What? An event is categorised under a discipline, which is categorised under a sport. How can an event have different medal disciplines? Clarify. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • "also a three-way ties in the men's nanquan discipline of the same event, meant that three bronze medals were awarded." Again, extraneous "also"; "three-way ties" is grammatically incorrect; remove the needless comma after "event". Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • "In gymnastics events many shared medals were awarded; a tie for third place in—horizontal bar, pommel horse, rings, women's vault and women's floor exercise—meant that two bronzes were awarded for each event and no silver was awarded in pommel horse." Emdash is used incorrectly here. There is no need for it. Rephrase entire sentence. Also explain how a tie for third place led to no silver being awarded in the pommel horse event. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • "A four-way tie for second position in parallel bar meant that no bronze medal was awarded." Use "In the parallel bars event", or "on the parallel bars", but not "in parallel bar". Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done
    • The "Changes in medal standings" section needs a total rewrite, I cannot understand a single sentence of it. Likewise rewrite the accompanying note, which is also hard to understand. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've tried to make some changes, please take a look.
Done
Resolved further comments from Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 12:57, 6 June 2011 (UTC) (resolved 01:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC))[reply]
Still needs some language cleanup and copyediting, imo. Still numerous grammar issues and sentence structure problems. For the most part the minor issues have been settled but I'd like to see the article read more like readable English before supporting. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 12:57, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll let you know the status after the copy editing of the article, thanks for your comments. — Bill william comptonTalk 13:19, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Now the article has been gone through copy editing, would you please reconsider your opinion? — Bill william comptonTalk 22:07, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nitpicking here, but "33 NOCs won at least one medal (23 won at least one gold medal); eight did not win any medals." – don't start a sentence with a number. I would also rephrase "forcing the country to share last place in the medal table with four other nations." to something like "placing the country joint-last in the medal table". Also, the single note left in the article remains pretty poorly written and hard to understand. Once these three points are fixed, I'll support. Also note that I can't speak for WP:ACCESS but that distribution map might or might not have some issues. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 01:53, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Changed the whole line to "Athletes from 33 NOCs won at least one medal, and athletes from 23 of these NOCs secured at least one gold; athletes from eight NOCs did not win any medals", rephrased the line as you suggested and tried to rewrite the note (if still seems skimpy, then please change it as you think would be appropriate). WP:Access or more precisely WP:Color shouldn't be a problem as color is not the only method used to show the medalists, accessible symbol like * (gold medalist), † (silver medalist), ^ (bronze medalist) and # (no medal) are also used there. I'm really happy that you are helping in the improvement of this article and if still you need something there, then please mention. — Bill william comptonTalk 05:09, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Athletes" is repeated a bit too often in that sentence now. I'd prefer "carried out" over "executed" for the note. I'm not convinced the "for instance" bit is really necessary. Other than that, looks fine. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I also felt the redundancy of "athletes" there, but I didn't have any other way to implement your recommendation together with retaining the information, now I've replaced "athletes" at one place with "contingents". Replaced the "executed" with "carried out", and removed "for instance".
I actually meant the entire bit after "for instance". Why single out only Nepal and not Syria as well? But then listing both would make the note quite long and unwieldy. IMO the bit stating Nepal's medal won is not needed. Once this is done, I'm ready to support. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 08:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Support, while noting that I am a member of a WikiProject this article falls under. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 01:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Support – Only thing I see is that a few improvements could be made to the note, as was said earlier. First, add "the" before Olympic Council of Asia. Second, should "were" be before "never promoted in the medal table"? Third, I don't understand what "Nepal ranked with its only silver medal" means. That could use a re-write. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Made some changes.
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:58, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Avoid superscripts, e.g. 13th -> 13th per MOS.
Done
  • Lead image can be bigger and usually is, I think MOS says up to 300px, but possibly up to 500px, I can't recall.
Done Both the images are lead images, so increased their size up to 250px.
  • "This medal table ranks the participating NOCs by the number of gold medals won by their athletes.[4]" seems a bit odd in the lead. Especially when the table is sortable. Perhaps remove this from the lead and add it above the table and include "initially". Or perhaps just delete this line altogether.
minus Removed
  • Bhupati ->Bhupathi.
Done
  • "100 m freestyle" etc, just check if we should put a space (and if so, it should be a non-breaking one) between 100 and m usually. Thanks.
According to WP:UNIT space is needed and hard space is already there.
  • "only non-Chinese player to win a gold medal in table tennis (men's singles)." this needs a reference.
Done
  • Red circle may be difficult to perceive for some colour blind readers, can you check the accessibility of this on the map please?
Done ‡ (double dagger) is also added there.
  • Ref 2 - June 03 -> June 3.
Done

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - I've taken the liberty of making a few minor changes to the dates in the references, otherwise all good. Afro (Talk) 22:04, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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