Wikipedia:Featured article review/Pilot (House)/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was removed by User:Marskell 12:35, 17 September 2008 [1].

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Pilot (House)

Review commentary

Notified: WP:TELEVISION, The Filmaker (talk · contribs)

I have nothing to do with this article, but it is really bothering me that this article remains an FA when it fails many parts, if not all of them, of the criteria. -- Jɑɱǐε Jcɑ 21:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The article needs both additional citations and more sources, a majority of the information (including entire sections of the article) may be deemed completely original. I'm baffled as to how this managed to pass it's original FA review, an article requires more than just information alone. UniversalBread (talk) 23:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Please notify significant contributers as well as associated wikipedia projects and post these notifications at the top of this FAR (see the instructions at WP:FAR. Thanks! --Regents Park (count the magpies) 11:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)--Regents Park (paddle with the ducks) 16:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• The {{unreferencedsection}} template should be removed from the Plot Section. Plots do not need references as the source is the episode itself. Everything can be verified by watching the episode. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 22:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Plots technically don't need citations/references, length is a nonissue, and I see only one citation needed tag. However, we should take advantage of this and give the article a followup copy-edit; it has been a year and a half, after all. — Deckiller 05:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• In my opinion, WP's "best work" on a pilot episode should say where the idea for the series came from and how the series was picked up. Although the article discusses casting, it says nothing about where the episode was produced or how much it cost. FAC nominators argued that sources didn't cover these topics. In other words: reliable sources did not provide comprehensive coverage of this particular topic. Ironically, the "one citation needed tag" shouldn't even exist; the info was cited to imdb, and during the FAC a reliable replacement link was provided, but the link was never incorporated into the article, and presumably someone in the last year and a half removed the imdb link. I expect this interpretation of the comprehensive criterion is controversial, but episode articles are not without some controversy of their own. If WP is going to hold up some episode articles as the "best work", they should show the best possible work for a comparable topic. Compare the production section of "Where No Man Has Gone Before", and that's not even a FA. If that coverage is not possible because the sources don't exist or haven't been found, then the article isn't really comprehensive yet. (GA doesn't have a "comprehensive" criterion, so this article would pass GA.) Gimmetrow 23:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Supporting Removal! - Reference numbers 10 and 11 are deadlinks and lead to a 'page cannot be displayed' in the browser. Additionally, the article is extremely short (could include more background info on the show since it is the first episode) and lacks any form of media which are both Featured Article requirements. As much as I love this show, I cannot believe this is a Featured Article. This needs to be fixed up and improved dramatically. Images are an almost 'must' as per the criteria, same goes for sufficient sources. I support this removal/review completely. Domiy (talk) 06:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The part about the dead links is no longer an issue. –thedemonhog talk • edits 20:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

FARC commentary

Suggested FA criteria concern is referencing (1c). Marskell (talk) 12:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

• Remove. Referencing issue seems to have been addressed, but this article simply is not comprehensive enough to be of WP:FA quality to present standards in its current state. WP:GA standards for television episodes these days usually require a bit more breadth. A subsection about Themes of the episode, or Cultural references, any Controversy, more substantive Production information as mentioned above by Gimmetrow (talk · contribs), etc. Cirt (talk) 20:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
• Remove as per current state. I think that any article, no matter how short, can be FA if it exhausts all possible sources, however this article does not use all possible sources. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 22:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

As David says, length is not an issue. Comprehensiveness is. Clearly people are concerned about that with this article; Gimme puts it quite well above. As no one has stepped forward to work, removing now. Marskell (talk) 12:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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