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The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 3:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC) [1].

Baden-Powell House[edit]

Notified: Rafmarham, Wimvandorst WikiProject Architecture, WikiProject Scouting

Review section[edit]

Posted notes in 2021, issues remain.

  • The house was sold in 2020, and while the clearly out-of-date elements in the text have been addressed, there's some text that remains in question (is the layout the same after conversion?)
  • More at issue is the sourcing. While some of the issues have been addressed, there's still a number of clearly unreferenced statements throughout (aforementioned layout section is unreferenced entirely, for instance.) The sources that are used are inconsistently formatted, and I'm not sure are high-quality.
    • There's also the question of the foundational sourcing being mostly to primary sources: The Official History of Scouting, annual reports from the Scouting Association, an apparently self-published Gilwell Park and the White House: A brief history and guided tours, or The story of B.-P.'s House, also by the Scouting Association. Based on what's presented, I'm not entirely sure that the house meets notability standards, let alone FA standards. Quick Google Books searches only brought up capsule-style mentions in guidebooks and the like which might count as reliable sources but don't really provide enough context to support a lot of the primary information.

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:07, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I almost FAR'd this myself back in July but decided to wait. The out-of-date content, while abated to some degree, is not actually fully resolved. The ""Baden-Powell House" (PDF). Scoutbase Fact Sheet. Archived from the original (PDF) on 14 December 2004. Retrieved 17 May 2015." source actually indicates that it is from 1999, and this source is used to support the following content:
" At its peak, it saw on average 30,000 people spending the night and 100,000 meals served in the restaurant." - we're citing a peak figure to something from only two years after the remodel when the thing was still in use for 20 years and the underlying source indicates those figures as a current number (as of 1999), not a past peak
And of course, a 1999 source doesn't (and can't) support "Since its inception, Baden-Powell House provided a hostel for people visiting London and since 2001 this became the main focus of the building."
And "In the period 2004–2006 the hostel participated in the Youth Hostel Association, after which the Scout Association entered into an agreement with German company Meininger Hotels with Scout members from the UK and abroad being able to stay at a reduced rate" is in a paragraph with only that 1999 Scoutbase Fact Sheet cited and unsurprisingly, the 1999 source fails to support content about the 2004-2006 period and the events afterwards.
This article needs more sourcing work than would appear from a first glance. Hog Farm Talk 01:09, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to FARC no significant edits to address concerns. Z1720 (talk) 00:57, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to FARC issues remain. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FARC section[edit]

Issues raised in the review section include sourcing and currency. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist - some editing occurred, but the primary issues remain. Hog Farm Talk 03:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist edits seem to have stalled, and there are still currency and sourcing concerns. Z1720 (talk) 01:30, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist issues remain, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:23, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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