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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Buidhe via FACBot (talk) 6 February 2022 [1].

Interstate 182[edit]

Nominator(s): SounderBruce 07:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a short freeway in southeastern Washington that took 17 years to build and was the compromise for a bitterly fought over routing debate. Unlike many urban freeways, this one was coveted by its eventual host cities, who did everything in their power to get part of the Interstate Highway System to their doorstep. This freeway is a companion to Interstate 82 (an existing FA) and would complete half of a featured topic on related routes. SounderBruce 07:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Image review no licensing issues found, but the first image should be moved to avoid sandwiching the infobox (t · c) buidhe 08:04, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support form truflip99[edit]

Will provide comments later. Hoping you can provide comments for my nom as well! truflip99 (talk) 17:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

  • The new freeway would also include construction of a Richland–Pasco bridge, proposed since the 1940s at the site of an earlier cable ferry that ran until 1931. -- this sentence is awkwardly placed. Perhaps place at end of the paragraph?
    • Fixed.
  • The final sections of the freeway, between I-82 and Richland, were opened to traffic in March 1986. -- omit "were" for better continuity
    • Fixed.

Route

  • The constant use of "I-182/US 12" seems superfluous given that the lead states they're concurrent for the entire route. Maybe establish this fact and just refer to the article topic afterwards?
    • Fixed.
  • They then cross over the Yakima River and intersect SR 240 -- should be singular if referring to the "concurrency"
    • Fixed.
  • I-182/US 12 passes a golf course and cross the Columbia River -- inconsistent due to aforementioned issue, won't point out moving forward
    • Fixed.
  • It is also part of the state government's Highway of Statewide Significance program -- "It" should be lowercase
    • Fixed.
  • who conduct an annual survey -- "which conducts" is better, IMO
    • Fixed.
  • and also has two park-and-ride facilities -- perhaps omit "also"
    • Fixed.

More later. --truflip99 (talk) 18:53, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

History

  • The Tri-Cities section signed as part of US 410 -- not familiar with highway terminology, but is it not "was signed"?
    • Dropped the term, but it usually means that a number was assigned to a highway and posted with a sign in the real world instead of merely being an on-paper number.
  • with an alternate route over the Yakima River bridge through Kennewick -- "but an alternate route... also existed." would clarify what is trying to be conveyed here
    • Fixed.
  • replacing an earlier bailey bridge and helping relieve Hanford traffic -- is this the aforementioned bridge? if so, needs to be combined somehow
    • Clarified that these are separate bridges and locations.
  • Link waterfowl
    • Done.
  • the 7.6-mile (12.2 km) western half from I-82 to Road 100 in western Pasco with four interchanges; -- switch these to commas
    • Done.

Couldn't find many issues. Great read overall. --truflip99 (talk) 20:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Truflip99: Thanks for taking the time to review this. I think I've addressed all your points. SounderBruce 04:01, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

Since often I see FACs being stuck at source reviews, let me try and do one in the meantime. Reviewed version. Sources are reliable and verifiable, as stated in the GAN.

Besides the above issues, most citations have consistent formatting. No major issues. ZKang123 (talk) 07:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ZKang123: Citations are only linked on first use to avoid overlinking. I've fixed References 34 and 76 and linked the first use of the Tri-City Herald, which is available online but with a library card that does not permit easy linking; as there is no requirement to have online sources, I won't be linking them, but would be happy to provide copies if needed for spotchecks. The Associated Press is the news agency from which these stories are originally being sourced from, so the parameter is being used appropriately. SounderBruce 08:18, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Noted then. Issues above were satisfactorily addressed. Passed. ZKang123 (talk) 09:16, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 5 is throwing an error that needs to be corrected --Guerillero Parlez Moi 13:47, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As @SounderBruce said in an offline chat: also there's a warning on Citation 5 because CS1 got changed and screwed up a lot of norms. I supposed its more of a template technical issue ZKang123 (talk) 13:50, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Fredddie[edit]

Carving out a spot to do a review. –Fredddie™ 23:04, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead
  • I moved map data to Commons, so there will be a small performance boost to the page.
    • Thanks!
  • Do you think I-182 is entirely concurrent with U.S. Route 12 (US 12); it also intersects State Route 240 (SR 240) and US 395. sounds better than what you wrote?
    • Sounds better, but I re-added the mileage figure.
  • a Richland–Pasco bridge → a bridge between Richland and Pasco
    • Fixed.
Route description

Looks good, maybe some word repetition

  • Freeway in ¶2
    • Fixed.
  • "Housing subdivisions", while accurate, is a bit stuffy to read twice in the same section. (¶1,3)
    • Fixed.
History
  • I think a map would be handy for illustrating the different proposed alignments.
    • Working on an interactive version, but I haven't found a detailed planset so I am guessing based on newspaper drawings. I'll look into whether the newspaper copy is able to be uploaded to Commons, as it was before the 1989 PD cutoff for copyrighted works without a notice.
  • In the first sentence of the Construction section, two of the length figures are in the adjectival form and the third is noun form.
    • Removed the last figure, as it didn't really fit; it was only a section of the longer Pasco Bypass, hence why it was in noun form.
  • In your inflation conversions, make sure your significant digits match up:
    • "$150 million (equivalent to $399 million in 2019 dollars)" → $150 million (equivalent to $400 million in 2019 dollars)
    • "$16 million (equivalent to $35.2 million in 2019 dollars)" → $16 million (equivalent to $35 million in 2019 dollars)
      • Fixed using a workaround. Turns out {{formatprice}} can't handle it.
  • "Construction on the east side of the river near Pasco began in early 1982,[95] with grading work completed by the end of the year.[96][97]" I would replace that ", with" with a semicolon and then add a verb into the sentence fragment.
    • Done.
Overall
  • I don't know where the best place is to put it, but some general direction of where the Hanford Site is would be beneficial since it affected the highways of the Tri-Cities. If it's in there, I missed it.
    • Added a mention in the Predecessor section.
  • Check over the history section for comma+verb-ing, i.e., a comma and then a verb such as crossing, utilizing, allowing, etc. which is something I've been fighting for a long time. Parallel structure is a good thing.
    • "It serves as a connector from I-82 to the Tri-Cities region, crossing the Columbia River on the Interstate 182 Bridge between Richland and Pasco."
    • It serves as a connector from I-82 to the Tri-Cities region that crosses the Columbia River on the Interstate 182 Bridge between Richland and Pasco.
      • I think I managed to get most of them, but there could be a few stragglers. Thanks for the link, it'll be something I'll look out for while writing.
  • Did you take some of the photos for this article through a windshield? Compositionally they're fine (which is rare among pictures of roads taken through windshields), but some color correction may be in order. Westbound in Pasco and near SR 240 in Richland stick out to me.
    • Yep, both were done from the passenger seat. Went back and tried to correct both, but it may be my monitor settings that are warping things.

Otherwise this is a great article and is a good example of a well-researched road. –Fredddie™ 04:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Fredddie: Thanks for the review. I believe I've addressed all of your points except for the map, which I will continue working on over the weekend. SounderBruce 06:14, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have decided to add the newspaper map, as it seems to be eligible for PD use, as the entire newspaper edition for that date did not have a copyright notice for news content (only advertisements and inserts from other magazines). @Buidhe: As this image was added after your review, I'd like to get your opinion as well. SounderBruce 05:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Really? I can't view the entire issue but am skeptical, most newspapers and magazines in this era were copyrighted. (t · c) buidhe 05:36, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I did a query for "All rights reserved", "copyright", and the copyright symbol, and it didn't turn up anything attributed to the newspaper itself, only the aforementioned advertisements and inserts. The front page has no such notice on the masthead, and neither does the editorial page where it'd be commonly found. SounderBruce 05:57, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to get the copyright status of that map figured out, but if we have to remove it, that's not going to change my support of this article. –Fredddie™ 06:37, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, if you did a thorough search like that then I'll accept it per WP:AGF. (t · c) buidhe 06:44, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Vami[edit]

Reserving a spot. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 05:48, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • [...] the Interstate 182 Bridge between Richland and Pasco. [...] The Columbia River bridge [...] Are these the same bridge?
    • Re-used the official name.
  • [...] near the entrance to Tri-Cities Airport. Should be the Tri-Cities Airport.
    • Fixed.
  • [...] Richland to Kennewick in 1951, which replaced an earlier bailey bridge [...] I suggest replacing "[...], which" with "that".
    • Done.
  • [...] bypass the Tri-Cities by turning south [...] business leaders in the Tri-Cities began [...] serve the Tri-Cities area [...] The article uses both "the Tri-Cities" and "the Tri-Cities area"; suggest sticking to one.
    • Dropped "area".
  • The state highway commission also approved the general [...] Which state?
    • Fixed.
  • [...] in early 1980 due to a national inflation crisis. Recommend expanding the link text to "[a] national inflation crisis".
    • Done.
@Vami IV: Thanks for taking the time to review this article. I've implemented all of the changes that you suggested. SounderBruce 09:18, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Supporting. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 09:19, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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