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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 23:40, 29 March 2009 [1].

Hillsboro, Oregon[edit]

Nominator(s): Aboutmovies (talk)

I am nominating this for featured article because it passed GA easily more than a year ago and has since been expanded to become more comprehensive. It is well sourced and meets the criteria. It has also been peer-reviewed and copyedited. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

Dabs (Dabs checker tool)

:*There is one which may be a self-redirect to this article, if I'm not mistaking.

External links (External links checker tool)

:*There are several dead external links.

Ref formatting (WP:REFTOOLS)
  • There are duplicates of this ref, a ref name should be used instead.
  • {{cite web|url=http://www.pdx.edu/media/2/0/2008CertPopEstCitiesTwns_web.pdf|title=Certified Population Estimates for Oregon's Cities and Towns|date=December 15, 2008|work=Population Research Center|publisher=Portland State University|accessdate=December 19, 2008}}
  • More than one different ref has the same ref name.
  • All fixed I believe. The PRC ref was three of the problems (same ref name, same cite, dead EL). The DAB is a hatnote, which does not redirect here and is a proper DAB link. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for raising the question about the Weatherbase data. That was my contribution, and I was imitating what I saw in other FA articles about cities. However, that use elsewhere does not make it a reliable source. I will look for an alternative. Finetooth (talk) 15:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe weather.com gives some of the same information, you might check there. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The gbkphoto cite has been replaced. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the tip, Ealdgyth. I have replaced the weather statistics from the questionable source with data from weather.com (The Weather Channel) with appropriate citations. Finetooth (talk) 19:11, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Will you work on Beaverton next? :)

  • "companies such as Intel that comprise what has become known as the Silicon Forest." Perhaps too much detail for the lead. Where is the source for this ( I couldn't find a source in the body of the article either)?
  • "before the arrival of technology companies that created the Silicon Forest." This is redundant, considering it was mentioned a paragraph before.
  • "In the 21st century Hillsboro has a council-manager government consisting of a city manager and a city council headed by a mayor." Not necessary, the present tense implies that we are discussing modern-day government.
  • "Transportation modes include private vehicles" I think "Modes of transportation" sounds better here.
  • "Notable residents have included two Oregon governors."-->Notable residents include two Oregon governors.
  • "before the arrival of white settlers"-->before white settlers arrived.
  • "The valley consisted of open grassland maintained by annual burning, with scattered groves of trees along the streams." I don't think "maintained" is the correct verb here.
  • "The spelling of town's name was later simplified to Hillsboro.
  • "second tallest radio tower-->second-tallest radio tower
  • "outside of the city"

I will be back. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input. I have addressed most of these. I didn't change the "maintained" as I think that best describes what the natives did each year, though for clarity it might be good to add that it was the natives that did the burning. With the first item about Intel/Silicon Forest, I think it is necessary to have both of those items in the lead. The impact of Intel and the Silicon Forest on the city has been featured in articles around the US and even one in England, thus it is probably the most defining characteristic of the city at this time. It would be like not discussing the film industry when talking about Hollywood, Los Angeles, California. I did add some sources for the fact that Intel is in the SF and Hillsboro is at the center (though the articles say heart). Thanks again. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kind of support, when linking dealt with.

  • Indeed, Dabomb's points need addressing more generally, as they are mere examples.
    • Linking audit required: Why is "wineries" linked? If there's a section of the wineries article, or a more specific article on wineries in this part of the US, maybe (although Easter-egg links are not encouraged, and are better unpiped in the "See also" section). On the other hand, can you find a link for "council-manager government", preferably to a section? I had to think hard to work out what it means. It's the President–Congress model of government, yes? (En dash probably more appropriate if it's a relationship rather than a mere joining of the words.) Ah, I see it's linked in the infoblot ... and further down in the text ... again, and again; better to link it just on first occurrence in the main text, and maybe in the infoblot. Why is "settlers" linked? (Why "European-American" rather than "European"?) It's not even a vaguely good article, and quite irrelevant to settlement in this area—Icelandic settlement gets a big wrap, though. And "riverboat" and "steamer"? And "US state"? Surely if they hit "Oregon" they'll find out all they need on that count ... Every link dilutes the others in the vicinity, so rationing makes wikilinking work optimally for our readers. Please delink the obvious ("marriage"? hello ...), because there are some good ones we want readers to focus on. Any chance you could write stubs for the red links (no big deal, though)?
  • "north–south", etc. (see WP:MOSDASH.
  • "7", then "sixty-eight"? See MOSNUM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony1 (talk • contribs) 03:49, March 16, 2009
      • I think I have addressed many of your issues. Council-manager has been linked in the lead, and in the government section as that is 6 sections away and makes sense. And no, it is not like the President-Congress model. What is an infoblot? Do you mean infobox? As to European-American v. European, many of the settlers were people with generations of ancestors born on this continent, not just those from Europe. As to linking in general, I am not a newbie and neither is the other editor involved with the article, so explaining the value of linking is unneeded (and the "hello" comment is just rude), there is simply a disagreement over what you think should be linked and what others feel should be linked. What was there would not rise to the level of WP:OVERLINKING. If this article was written for me, I would not need a single wikilink as I know what each term/place/person etc. means or is, but generally I try to write at around the 8th grade level on Wikipedia. Many people around the world (the vast majority of which I'm sure you know do not speak English or speak it as a second language) that may visit this article and may not know what a riverboat is or a steamer, or many of the other common to you and me terms are, but its not about you or me, its about the readers. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I've made a few minor changes to sentences and punctuation, but other than that, the article is written to a very high standard, which I believe meets the FA criteria. It also appears to be complete and contains everything suggested for US city articles per WikiProject Cities. I also checked all images, and they have appropriate copyright tags, are sized appropriately, and have good captions. So I have no problems supporting this article for FA status at this time. Dr. Cash (talk) 15:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your interest in this and other city articles, your advice and copyediting, and your support. They are much appreciated. Finetooth (talk) 19:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More comments Sorry for the extended delay.

  • "Oregon Route 219/1st Street, 10th Street/Cornell Road" Just like dashes, slashes should be spaced when the separated items have internal spaces.
  • "has been home to residents as varied as"-->has had residents as varied as
  • "Athletes included Erik Ainge, Scott Brosius, Ad Rutschman, Wes Schulmerich, Wally Backman" From the usage of past tense, am I to infer that none of these live in Hillsboro anymore?
  • "Hillsboro's only sister city relationship is with Fukuroi" Why not "Hillsboro's only sister city relationship is with Fukuroi"-->Hillsboro's only sister city is Fukuroi
  • "The relationship has included exchanges of students between schools in each city." Why use the present perfect when the present indicative will do (unless this too has been neglected, as indicated by the next sentence)?
  • "Hospital service within the city is provided" "within" should only be used to emphasize insideness, it is usually not needed and can be simplified to in.
  • "second busiest airport"-->second-busiest airport
  • Spell out MAX on its first appearance.

It's pretty good, but there are still areas for polishing. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've addressed everything but the sister city items. The term relationship describes what it is, not just a status, which apparently is what the city has viewed it as lately. There is supposed to be ongoing cultural exchange. Which sort of addresses the second point. But more directly the source only confirms exchanges that have already occurred (1992 source). The neglect goes into this I think, but the source for the neglect only hints at why there is neglect and not how in particular there is neglect, as the focus of the article is a different city. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support My issues have been resolved. Please continue the excellent work on Oregon-related articles. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank for the review and the suggestions, as well as your support. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two image concerns as follows:

  • File:Hillsboro Map.svg: are you using the same base map as the source (i.e. the underlying terrain map)? I suspect it is a GIS, or Census Beaurau map, but could you clarify? This is to avoid a charge of simply tracing the map.[2] (Also see commons:Commons:Image casebook#Maps.) I am also not too sure that a map that its creator "cannot accept responsibility for any errors" can be taken to be a reliable source (although since the map here is based off that...) Could you point to the page that is hosting the map, instead of directly to the pdf?
Quite right about all of this. I have attempted to fix the problems by adding the following to the image description at the Commons: "Note added by User:Finetooth on 24 March 2009: The map is hosted at [3]. The underlying GIS map, created at a scale of 1 inch = 800 feet, is updated monthly, according to the source, the City of Hillsboro. A disclaimer by the source says, "While care has been taken to insure accuracy of the information, the City assumes no responsibility or liability of any errors or omissions in this information." I also added the date of creation to the map caption since the map's accuracy may slowly decay as time passes. Finetooth (talk) 16:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Hillsboro Shute wooden Indian head sculpture.JPG: not entirely sure about this... does the copyright office keep records of artwork? Toth did register and renew his copyright for his book Indian Giver (Registration Number / Date: TXu000050570 / 1980-08-21, Registration Number / Date: TX0001455554 / 1984-04-04). It is a bit hard to believe he did not register or renew the copyrights of his sculptures.

The other images check out okay. I had to correct Withycombe's portrait and its information. I hope my change to the layout is acceptable. Awaiting feedback. Jappalang (talk) 12:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, the Copyright Office does keep records for artwork (and anything copyrighted that is registered), for instance the Portlandia sculpture. And it is not that surprising that he didn't register it, as it and the others were gifts, so copyrighting it would have been a little counter to the whole gift concept. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmmm, true. I guess it is a lucky thing that statue was not installed just 2 years later, (from 1989, copyrights are automatically granted regardless of registration). No image concerns. Jappalang (talk) 01:18, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I don't see anything worth complaining about. Good work on this one! --Laser brain (talk) 22:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your kind words and support. Finetooth (talk) 13:54, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: I could be wrong, but I believe WP:ENDASHes are overused. I'm unsure about ... and adopted a council–manager government ... and ... the Manning–Kamna Farm was added ... please ask Tony1 (talk · contribs) to have a look. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You aren't wrong very often, as far as I can tell. I agree with you about these two, and I have changed them to hyphens. I believe I added those en dashes myself during a fit of temporary amnesia. I have asked Tony1 to have another look. Thank you for catching these. Finetooth (talk) 23:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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