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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by GrahamColm 12:45, 25 August 2012 [1].

Bloor–Danforth line[edit]

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Nominator(s): Tarret talk 01:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To the fellow editors of the Wikipedia I would like to present the article Bloor-Danforth line for featured article candidacy. As this is one of the first articles which I have made a significant contribution to, I look forward to addressing your concerns as you present them to me. Tarret talk 01:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by PumpkinSky

  • FN retrieve date format is not consistent, most are July 6, 2012, but 25, for example is 19 June 2012.
  • FN 24 is missing a retrieve date
  • Some FNs with Toronto Transit Commission have it spelled out and some say TTC
PumpkinSky talk 15:38, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Tarret talk 21:31, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Welcome to FAC! This article is pretty good, though I don't think that it's currently of the same standard as our FA-level articles on urban rail lines. My comments and suggestions are:

  • A map of the entire line would be invaluable - and the current maps of extensions aren't terribly useful without this
  • The second paragraph of the lead and the history section should provide some indications of where these streets are in Toronto; focusing on streets isn't helpful for readers such as myself who are unfamiliar with the city's geography
  • Expanded lead with the suggested information. Tarret talk 03:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you please add similar material to the 'history' section? Nick-D (talk) 10:59, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done, its a bit more general than the lead section, but is written to fit with the flow of the article's history section. Tarret talk 19:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The level of detail on the bus service in the lead seems excessive given that it's not the topic of the article, and isn't mentioned in the body of the article
  • Shorten to a a brief summary and moved rest to a more appropriate section of the article. Tarret talk 03:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Who commissioned the 1910 report?
  • "Plans for a somewhat longer route, running east to west from Victoria Park Avenue to the Humber River were suggested by the Toronto Planning Board in December 1943" - 'plans' aren't normally 'suggested' - I'd suggest replacing 'plans' with something less concrete such as 'proposals' in this context
  • "The opening of the Yonge subway in 1954" - this is the first time that actual subway construction is mentioned. The article should provide a (very) brief history of the process which led to the start of subway construction in the city
  • Added a paragraph with this information. Tarret talk 03:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • What was/is the 'Metro Planning Department'?
  • The paragraph which begins with 'In 1956, Toronto's mid-town area was starting to experience growth' needs references. Also, how did the Ontario Municipal Board go about approving this without the agreement of the local transport authorities? (and what is/was the Ontario Municipal Board? - was this an agency of the provincial government with the power to override local authorities?)
  • Reworked paragraph and added references. Tarret talk 03:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can more be said about the construction of this line? The coverage seems rather brief in comparison to other FAs on urban train lines. For instance, how was the underground section built, and were any engineering problems encountered?
  • Added a sentence about construction method. Other than that, I don't believe there were any other problems other than the opposition that was already mentioned. Tarret talk 19:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first two paragraphs of the 'Stations' section need references
  • Can anything be said about the layout of the stations? (for instance, do they use island platforms, or the other sort?). The 'designs' section also only seems to discuss the underground stations, and not the appearance of the surface stations.
  • Added information to "Stations" section. Tarret talk 02:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • When did the 'Station Modernization Program' commence, and what are its timeframes? (this section is written in the future tense)
  • Added that information to the history section. Tarret talk 19:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Secondary exit program" or "second exit program"? - the article uses both at present
  • "fare media" is a rather technical term
  • The last sentence in the 'Fare collection' section needs a reference (and what's a 'Presto card'? I presume that this is something like the London Oyster Card?)
  • The last sentence in the 'Kipling to Mississauga' section needs a reference. All the station names in this section also need references.
  • The names for the 'Scarborough extension' aren't referenced. Given that the article (rightly) doesn't list the names of all the other stations, I'd suggest converting these two bullet point lists into prose. Nick-D (talk) 09:54, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article doesn't really cover the public reception to this line, and the number of people using it over time.
  • Added information about this to history section. Tarret talk 22:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have there been any accidents or other notable incidents involving this line?
  • Added the notable incident to the history section. Tarret talk 19:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nick-D (talk) 12:01, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I believe that I have adressed most of your comments about the article. If I missed anything or need more information in another part of the article feel free to comment some more. Tarret talk 02:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've just copy-edited the article, and have some further comments:
    • Please provide individual page numbers for the journal articles cited in the article; including the entire page ranges doesn't help readers locate the material in question
    • Please provide publishing locations for the books cited in the article
    • The statement that "In the 1950s, there was intense debate over where the second Toronto subway line would run as it would affect how bus routes in Toronto's suburbs would operate." seems a bit strong - was there really 'intense debate' over this topic? Given that it's fairly cheap and easy to change bus routes, it seems hard to believe that this was a major driver of the debate (as compared to the cost and the pros and cons of different station locations, which are typically the issues with metro systems)
    • Some of the station names are linked several times in the article (for instance, Kipling (TTC))
    • "there are still a few stations which use a centre platform instead" - does this mean that this design was common until the stations were re-worked at some point?
    • "These trains which were a part of the H-series were similar to the M-series trains" - this wording is a bit unclear. Where these H-series or modified M-series trains? (or is it the case that the H-series was a variation on the M series?)
    • "With the introduction of the Toronto Rocket subway trains" - is this occurring at the moment?
    • "Currently, the CN rail tracks will be converted" - the 'currently' is a bit awkward: what's the timeframe for this project?
    • "Before the opening of the Wilson Subway Yard" - when did this open, and what's its role?
    • "In 2005, Toronto politicians again proposed" - did all of the city's politicians propose this as this wording suggests?
    • Please note that I've marked some unreferenced material as needing citations. Nick-D (talk) 11:48, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Images

  • Captions need editing for grammar. Captions that aren't complete sentences shouldn't end in periods
  • File:Old_Mill_TTC_elevated_section.jpg is sourced to Wikipedia
  • Its a user created picture that is stored on the Wikimedia Commons. Not quite sure what the problem is with that. Tarret talk 03:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suspect that Nikki's concern is that the image lacks the image metadata which is normally associated with user-created photos (for instance, that which appears in this self-made image I recently uploaded), and it appears to have been compressed in size judging from its blurry appearance; these are typical features of images taken from other websites unfortunately. I'd suggest replacing the image. Nick-D (talk) 10:59, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Bloor-danforth-expansion2.gif: what source was used to create this image?
  • Clarified image sources on image page for these two images. Tarret talk 03:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Bloor-danforth-expansion.gif: tagged as lacking description, and what source was used to create this image? Nikkimaria (talk) 22:45, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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