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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by GrahamColm 13:07, 6 May 2012 [1].

1740 Batavia massacre[edit]

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Nominator(s): Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it has been much improved since the last nomination in December. It is complete and I believe the BrE prose is up to snuff for an FA. Since the last nomination failed, this article has successfully undergone an A-class review and a copyedit by MathewTownsend. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Small point: Is there a need to have two nearly-identical photos of Governor-General Valckenier in the article? I suggest removal of the second photo and placing the image description in the article body. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 09:09, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, forget I ever made that comment :/ ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 09:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sources and images but no spotchecks. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:59, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • File:Chinezenmoord_van_stolk_(2).jpg and similar: life+90 tag doesn't make sense. The illustrator is unknown, so his date of death is unknown.
  • Fixed.
  • File:Adriaan_Valckenier_(1695-1751)_by_T.J._Rheen.jpg and File:Gustaaf_Willem_baron_van_Imhoff2.jpg need a US PD tag
  • Fixed.
  • Don't need ellipses at the beginning and end of quotes
  • In the notes section? That is to indicate that not the whole sentence was quoted. This is required per WP:ELLIPSES.
  • FN 39: formatting
  • Fixed.
  • Why do you have two different locations for Curzon? Nikkimaria (talk) 16:59, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed. The Dobbins source had two locations mentioned in WorldCat.

Comments from Eisfbnore

  • "The massacre's legacy on popular culture is found in Dutch literature, in which it has figured heavily, and in the names of several areas in Jakarta, which historians have suggested evoke the massacre." – either 'legacy in' or 'influence on', certainly not 'legacy on'.
  • Changed to legacy in
  • "Because of declining sugar prices worldwide beginning in the 1720s, due to an increase in supplies sent to the European market, the sugar industry in the East Indies had suffered considerably" – the phrase is adverbial: the 'due to' should be 'owing to'.
  • Fixed.
  • "Although Dutch historian A.N. Paasman notes that at the time the Chinese were the "Jews of Asia", the actual situation was more complicated." – I'm pretty certain that Dank will disagree with me on this one, but the style guide of The Guardian prescribes, to the best of my recollection, the use of a def article before occupations; hence: "Although the Dutch historian A.N. Paasman".
  • Assuming it's standard BrE, I have no issue with adding "the".
  • "Vermeulen described the massacre as "one of the most striking events in 18th century [Dutch] colonialism"" – there should be a hyphen between '18th' and 'century', as it is a compound adjective. I note that Vermeulen got it right in his original Dutch quote; fascinating how equal the orthographies of the Teutonic languages are.
  • Fixed.
  • Re the translations of the Dutch source titles: As far as my very limited knowledge of Dutch goes, I am not quite convinced that the translations are idiomatic nor accurate. For instance, " Nieuw Nederlandsch Biografisch Woordenboek" would be better translated as "New Dutch Biographical Dictionary", both owing to the idiomatic expression/collocation 'biographical dictionary' in English ('book of biographies' is very rarely encountered in English) and to the more direct translation: biografisch = biographical and woordenboek = dictionary. On the other I think that Of Coolies, Klontong, and Captains: The Image of the Chinese in Indonesian-Dutch Literary Prose 1880–1950 is a bit too direct: 'literary prose' is a very rare English expression. Literature would be a better translation for literair proza. Also, it is a far step from multiculturele samenleving to multiculturalism. I suggest multicultural societies. Eisfbnore (下さいて話し) 13:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Those you've indicated, I've fixed.
  • Thanks for the review, I believe I've addressed all your comments. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support My comments have been addressed. Eisfbnore (下さいて話し) 13:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Resolved comments from Mark Arsten moved to talk page.
  • I think that's it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support You're right, that is it. I think this has been worked over enough that it meets the criteria, I'm glad the nominator took a second try at it! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I reviewed the original FAC in January, and have revisted this article again. Issues I raised then have been addressed and I dont see any additionals issues arising from the recent edits. Gnangarra 00:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – A solid and well-balanced article that meets all the FAC criteria, in my view. Full marks in particular for maintaining the dispassionate tone despite the shocking incidents detailed. Tim riley (talk) 11:20, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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