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Gunpowder Plot[edit]

There's only one conspirator whose article isn't a GA or FA, and that's Robert Keyes. I'm not convinced there's enough out there to write about, so perhaps I might merge it with other minor plotters, like Thomas Bates. There are a few figures on the sidelines who haven't yet been improved, but essentially the contents of the box above includes all the major players. Parrot of Doom 02:23, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since Keyes is currently at GAN, why not wait until he's passed? Otherwise, great work, though I'm sure there'll be some discussion about what to include and exclude. Ucucha 17:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not yet certain he will be, the article is very scant and to be honest I'd forgotten it was even nominated. Keyes is an unimportant character. Parrot of Doom 00:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but oppose. Keyes should be included, and probably Elizabeth of Bohemia also. The biggest hole in the topic though is Gunpowder Plot in popular culture. The topic cannot be complete without it as there have been so many representations of it in culture. Ashby St Ledgers and Holbeche House are also worth mentioning to put into the topic. Henry Garnet, Humphrey Littleton (plotter) and Edward Oldcorne were executed because of the plot. The article Oswald Tesimond seems to exist only because of the plot, so... While some of the articles I've listed won't belong here, at least the popular culture one definitely is. Try creating a book also. Nergaal (talk) 21:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Gunpowder Plot in popular culture exists only because people were repeatedly adding V for Vendetta to Guy Fawkes, created purely to keep the rubbish out of the main article. I'm certainly not going to work on improving that. I doubt there's much to say about the two houses you mention, and the Princess Elizabeth played no real part in the plot, being so young at the time. Once you start knocking on the doors brothers-in-law and associates, where do you stop? What about Robert Cecil, Edward Coke, Thomas Knyvet? Anne Vaux? Parrot of Doom 21:50, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support now that Keyes is GA. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:08, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that Robert Keyes is under review at GAN, so that should be able to be included shortly. Also, a book should be made for it. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 21:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination as it stands sounds like an overview topic, and that would have to include all articles within the scope of the topic that do not fall within the scope of subtopics. That would male the pop culture one a must. However, if the king is dropped and the title is changed to "Gunpowder Plot plotters" that would be fine as it would not be an overview topic. Nergaal (talk) 06:25, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support Iff Keyes passes GA. Elizabeth of Bohemia is suitable for expanding the topic down the road, but not essential. I would oppose the whole lot if Gunpowder Plot in popular culture were added, as the topic is about the event, and fiction is out of scope. (If I thought it had any chance, I'd actually AFD that article.) Courcelles 01:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keyes just passed GA. Ucucha 11:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support topic as is. Gunpowder Plot in popular culture is not needed. A similar thing happened when the Jupiter topic was up for nomination. It was determined that Jupiter in fiction was not needed for that topic to be complete. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support nice to see a history topic so developed ("remember, remember the fifth of november") - igordebraga ≠ 16:05, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Other artilces may be included but are not needed. Z gin der 2011-01-17T17:37Z (UTC)

Close with consensus to promote. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 03:48, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]