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Nomination of Firmin René Desloge for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Firmin René Desloge is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Be very careful Sionk on your narrow determination of what is suitable for wikipedia. I refer you to the merits of Firmin Rene Desloge as declared by Jay Gitlin, Yale University professor and director for French American (jay.gitlin@yale.edu)stating that Firmin Rene Desloge was one of those whose "activities of the French are crucial to understanding the phenomenon of westward expansion on a Bourgeois Frontier, characterized as much by family connections, private enterprise and negotiation as by conquest"; and Author and academic Carl Eckberg, professor emeritus at Illinois State University and an expert on the French in colonial America, (cjeckberg@verizon.net) coined the phrase “French Aristocrats at the American West” to describe Firmin Rene Desloge and other prominent French families in Missouri.

Firmin Rene Desloge, descendant of French nobility who emigrated to Missouri in 1823 to join his uncle Jean Ferdinand Rozier and his business partner John James Audubon was the progenitor of the Desloge Family in America.

Wikidesloge (talk) 17:31, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]


I also refer you to the information provided by The Missouri History Museum as follows: 'Firmin Rene Desloge is a central character of Missouri history who, through writings situated in France and America, provides an authentic historical narrative built around one family’s 600 letters dating from 200 years, providing live-action reality present at France & the French Revolution and the American Frontier. Based upon one of the largest bodies of vibrant correspondence written from the turn of the 1800s, we are able to peer into the scene of teeming wildlife and Native American Indians in the young America expanding from this family’s French nobility on the young American frontier..." You are referred to the staff at Missouri Historical Society Archives (Library and Research Center), in particular, Dennis Northcott, Ellen Thomasson, Chris Gordon, Molly Kodner - contact information (314) 746-4500.Wikidesloge (talk) 17:52, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidesloge, the discussion where the question will be decided is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Firmin René Desloge. If you'd like to shape its outcome (and I'm sure you would), make your argument there. Also, the currency of the realm in Wikipedia is verifiable citations. You can start here for a guide on how to do it in a way that will convince our fellow Wikipedians. A convincing citation might look like this, with appropriate information for the XXXs: <ref name="NAME">{{cite book |title= XXX |last= XXX |first= XXX |year= XXX |publisher= XXX |location= XXX |isbn= XXX |page= XXX |url= XXX | accessdate=XXX}}</ref> An unconvincing citation looks like this: "I saw it at the Missouri Historical Society; call them if you don't believe me." PRRfan (talk) 19:04, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you PRRFAN, yet I must say that there is an air of unsophistication with subject matter while having an extra-ordinary sophistication in wikipedia currency of the realm. I offer the example that given the the criteria for deletion, then that would also apply to another French contemporary of Firmin Rene Desloge, Marquis Pierre Charles DeHault DeLassus DeLuziere who emigrated to the United States in 1790 to escape the French Revolution. Originally Marquis Pierre Charles de Hault Delassus and his wife Madame Domitile Josepha Dumont, Danzin de Beaufort, were natives Bouchaine, Northern France. Pierre was a Chevalier (Knight) within the Court and Cousin of King Louis XVI, and a Knight of the Grand Cross of the Royal Order of St. Michael. After arriving in America the Marquis went by 'M. de Luziere'. He and his family first lived near modern Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and then attempted to establish a French colony in Gallipolis, Ohio. By 1793 the family's funds were depleting and they relocated yet again along the Missouri River. M. de Luziere went on and served as civil and military commander of the new settlement New Bourbon, for over ten years, before returning again to the Sainte Genevieve area of Missouri in 1804. M. de Luziere died in 1806 and was buried in Memorial Cemetery, Sainte Genevieve, Ste. Genevieve County, Missouri, United States of America.

All material for Marquis Pierre Charles DeHault DeLassus DeLuziere is also derived from the same historical sources as Firmin Rene Desloge. Wikidesloge (talk) 21:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your frustration is understandable, but look at it from the perspective of Wikipedians. In the early days of Wikipedia, there were torrents of discussion on what articles and facts should be included in an encyclopedia anyone can edit; eventually, a few ruling principles were agreed upon. A prime one is No Original Research, with its corollary, Verifiability. You can imagine how these developed: someone wanted to add a fact he learned at a museum, then someone else wanted to add a fact he witnessed, then someone wanted to add a fact his grandfather once heard about, etc. Wikipedia is hardly an academic journal, and yet the general ethos among Wikipedians is that its articles should be as true as possible. To serve that ethos, editors have agreed to insist upon certain forms and standards of citation. This attention to form -- what you describe as an "extra-ordinary sophistication" -- is actually not that different from an academic journal's insistence on properly formatted footnotes: it makes it easier to evaluate the cited source and it signifies a good-faith effort to present sources likely to be credible. Anyway, this is growing longwinded, so I'll cut to the chase: if you spend just a bit of time on citation forms, you should have a much better chance of convincing people of the worthiness of your subjects. PRRfan (talk) 01:59, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a case in point: your recent addition of a citation to Firmin René Desloge. Kudos to you for providing a citation, but let's examine it through the eyes of another Wikipedia editor. You've provided no URL for the cited source, which makes it difficult to assess its credibility. I ran a few Google searches, and discovered that the book's title is not "George Rogers Clark and Other Essays in Western History", as you have it, but rather "How George Rogers Clark Won the Northwest: And Other Essays in Western History". It's no particular sin to get the name of a book wrong, but it does somewhat undermine the credibility of your edits. But more to the point, the chapter you cite, "Early Lead Mining on the Upper Mississippi" has no discernable mention of Desloge, and therefore it appears to serve poorly as a citation for the sentences it is attached to. If you believe the text does support your point, you might briefly explain why in your note; specific page numbers would be helpful as well. PRRfan (talk) 14:59, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here's an example of how you might go about improving your references. This edit places the citation in a standard template, adds a URL, and clarifies the relevance of text that does not mention Firmin Rene Desloge. PRRfan (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Christoper D Desloge (September 28)[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Desloge Chapel (March 5)[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Christoper D Desloge (August 22)[edit]

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AfC notification: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Desloge Chapel has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Desloge Chapel. Thanks! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 11:02, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Christoper D Desloge has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Christoper D Desloge. Thanks! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 11:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Desloge Chapel has been accepted[edit]

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This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion.

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In particular, see and refer to WP:NAUTHOR for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Robert McClenon (talk) 20:36, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest[edit]

Information icon Hello, Wikidesloge. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Christopher Desloge, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Are you Christopher Desloge? Robert McClenon (talk) 20:08, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not only do you have a conflict of interest, but you should refrain from writing about yourself on Wikipedia. It is good that you put the article in draft space, but if it is declined, you need to accept that and make improvements, or move on. Your arguments in that draft were more about books than a person and did very little to make a convincing case of notability as Wikipedia defines it. And articles written for publicity purposes are never accepted even if the topic is notable. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Christopher Desloge (October 13)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Hoary were:
This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
Books that are self-published (either directly or via Lulu.com) can be noteworthy and thereby contribute toward the notability of their authors. But the great majority of such books are not. We should start by assuming that self-published books are not noteworthy while remaining open to evidence for the contrary: reviews (not mere blurbs and the like) by knowledgable reviewers, or major citations in later works on the same subjects, published in reliable sources. I see none of this in this draft. The effort its author has put into (unconvincingly) defending it would have been better put into improving it; however, if there is nothing more (from reliable, independent, published sources) that can be used to improve this draft, then the draft should be abandoned.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Hoary (talk) 23:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Equity mining moved to draftspace[edit]

An article you recently created, Equity mining, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 23:29, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tokenized equity (October 30)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted because it included copyrighted content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia.
This submission appears to be taken from https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tokenized-equity.asp. Wikipedia cannot accept material copied from elsewhere, unless it explicitly and verifiably has been released to the world under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license or into the public domain and is written in an acceptable tone—this includes material that you own the copyright to. You should attribute the content of a draft to outside sources, using citations, but copying and pasting or closely paraphrasing sources is not acceptable. The entire draft should be written using your own words and structure. Note to reviewers: do not leave copyright violations sitting in the page history. Please follow the instructions here.
You are welcome to write an article on the subject, but please do not use copyrighted work. KylieTastic (talk) 14:22, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Equity mining (February 1)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Nyanardsan were:
This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner.
Needs better formatting
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Nyanardsan (talk) 03:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Equity mining[edit]

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 04:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Equity mining[edit]

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 03:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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