User talk:Whiskeymouth

		The Surreal Barnstar
		Sorry your now being stalked. Your a good editor and don't deserve it. The community will catch up to him soon. 166.171.187.207 (talk) 04:04, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am very calm. I observe the rules. Bullies and those that cause trouble don't like the upright and logical way that I act. Thanks for the barnstar. However, good does not always rule over evil as I probably will stop editing because of their aggressive behavior. It's not worth wasting time over them. In the long run, Wikipedia loses because of their disruption. Whiskeymouth (talk) 04:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

July 2016[edit]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of three months for abusing multiple accounts. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not, and that any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Bbb23 (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Whiskeymouth (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

original unblock reason

Decline reason:

OK, to start I'll tell you that when I review unblock requests I'm looking for a reason to unblock rather than deny it - unblocking editors is the admin activity I like the most - so I can promise you I'm not trying to justify the "establishment" or the block.

However, it's pretty much always the case that using your unblock request to accuse other editors of wrongdoing will damage your chances, and what I see here does not encourage me. It's no good accusing Winkelvi and Softlavender of trying "to abuse the checkuser by running it on me", as they did not run it. The checkuser check was run by Bbb23, who is very experienced in using it and knows when it can and can not be justified - and would not have run it had there not been sufficient merit in the request.

On to the result itself, I see it confirmed a match between this account and Maserati Turbo, which means there is technical evidence that the two accounts are operated by the same person. You have not addressed that or attempted to suggest how the two accounts could technically appear to be the same.

If you make another unblock request, I suggest you altogether drop the accusations against others - there are venues you can address such grievances when you are unblocked. Instead, concentrate on the reason you were blocked, and explain how there could appear to be a strong technical connection between the two accounts. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:34, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I should add that in quoting parts of the discussion you had with User:NeilN at User_talk:NeilN#diffs, you were very selective in your quotes. NeilN did not conclude that "their specious explanations of harassing and following me were not credible", there was no interaction ban imposed, NeilN warned you that he would block you if you did not stop your personal attacks against Winkelvi and Softlavender, and said...

"Whiskeymouth, it seems like you are your own worst enemy. Using overblown rhetoric like "That is why terrorists and criminals win" and constantly calling for blocks while making edits like these [1], [2], [3] indicates battleground behavior, something that you've been warned and blocked for before. If you just stick to the facts and avoid unnecessary jibes you'll find you'll get a much more sympathetic hearing of your complaints."

Whiskeymouth, everyone can read that discussion at NeilN's talk page, which the next reviewing admin almost certainly will do. So you need to stop the cherry-picking, which amounts to misrepresenting your case as being one-sided in your favor, and you seriously need to wind back the rhetoric. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:50, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Unblock request[edit]

Please kindly consider this and do not approach this with an attitude of trying to justify the establishment and a block. Thank you in advance for your open mindedness.

I want to be blocked but it should be 48 hours, not 3 months. This is because I support admins but disagree with the long block duration.

I request unblock because the checkuser actually proved me innocent. Here's a summary. Winkelvi and Softlavender are very disruptive and have battleground behavior and used the checkuser to get back at them because administrator NeilN determined that their specious explanations of harassing and following me were not credible [[4]] when admin NeilN wrote "1), given your AFD participation histories Winkelvi and Softlavender, it defies belief that both of you would suddenly happen upon Whiskeymouth's AFD nomination at random." Softlavender and Winkelvi followed me to an obscure AFD and wanted to spite me. They also did meatpuppetry very often. [[5]]. [[6]], [[7]], [[8]], etc.

To try to avoid battleground behavior, I consulted NeilN and followed his instructions to the letter of an interaction ban between those bad editors and even suggested other conditions that would help. Softlavender ignored the administrator, NeilN, writing "no comment".

The bottom line is that I was found innocent of all of these socks but the checkuser did find a user named "Maserati Turbo" which edited a few times and not in articles that I edit. I did not edit under that user. The checkuser did not say that I am this user. It is wrong to use this as an excuse to block me, which acts to give Winkelvi and Softlavender glee and official approval of their battleground behavior.

It is so bad that Winkelvi and Softlavender are so aggressive, try to abuse the checkuser by running it on me and asking them to fish out socks, find many suspected users are not related to me and then block me for 3 months for something that I did not do. Note that Winkelvi has been blocked 10 times, which is incredible. Note that if you unblock me, I have a ceasefire which NeilN brokered and I agreed to.

Even another user gave me a barnstar for being harassed by Winkelvi and Softlavender and the checkuser showed that I am not that user. REMEMBER that socks must have behavioral evidence (you being an admin should know this) and user:Maserati Turbo is definitely a different kind of editor, editing different topics, etc. Thank you very much for your consideration,Whiskeymouth (talk) 05:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)}}[reply]

A side note. It would be useful for an admin to talk with Softlavender and Winkelvi to let them know that their behavior is not that of a model Wikipedian and outstanding editor. Do you see any battleground behavior by them? Whiskeymouth (talk) 05:53, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If unblocked, I want to ask you about a name change so Winkelvi and Softlavender will stop attacking me. This is permitted. I can just close this account to make it legal. Whiskeymouth (talk) 05:58, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are so many misstatements of fact in your recital that I'm tempted to revoke your Talk page access. If the personal attacks and the false statements continue, I will. The discussion you're referring to is here. NeilN never "determined" that "give your AFD participation ...", etc. He set that forth as your claim against Winkelvi and Softlavender. You complained about the filing of the SPI against you. Neil responded that he had told Winkelvi that opening an SPI was fine if they had "believable evidence" and "Looking at the SPI, it seems that burden has been met."

Neil did not broker a "ceasefire". His last comment was that he had not "formalized the interaction ban" and that any "truce" was violated by your closure of the AfD.

You said that my check proved you "innocent". That's not true, either. I found that you were unrelated to the accounts listed as sock puppets. But I also found that you were Confirmed to Maserati Turbo. As for MT, my check did say that you were editing under that account. Your statement that Whiskeymouth and MT did not edit any of the same pages is also false. Both accounts edited Trump Force One. Whiskeymouth edited it not too long before you were blocked, and MT edited at during the block. Although both accounts did not edit List of things named after Donald Trump, it's a related article. And one of the more curious pages that both of you edited is Winkelvi's Talk page. While Winkelvi was blocked and with an unblock request pending, MT said "I recommend that this person be unblocked. He may have learned his lesson after being blocked about a dozen times recently." ([9]) That's a very curious thing to say. First, why would a brand new account even be looking at an unblock request from another editor? Second, you managed to get in the lengthy block log of the editor, even though you are ostensibly supporting them. The technical evidence finding the two accounts related was conclusive. The behavioral evidence is equally strong.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:35, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock / uninvolved user[edit]

Background: I am a uninvolved user. Judging from the syntax of Whiskeymouth, I believe I am from a different country than him. In my country, many of us do not speak English, but speaks our official language. I say this because I am not this other editor. It is sad when, in Wikipedia, we must go through these lengths to say this.

I have read Wikipedia for many years but temporarily stopped editing due to unprofessional conduct by many, making it inhospitable.

Statement: Blocking of Whiskeymouth is UNJUSTIFIED AND BIASED. So is blocking of Thank you very much wiki. Please unblock both.

Reasons: I concur with Whiskeymouth that Winkelvi (signature = WV) and Softlavender have wrongly attacked WM and should be blocked themselves. They fooled WM around and harassed him. They turned him over to the checkuser, which found facts supporting WM.

Fact 1: WM did not engage in sockpuppetry. He is denies being Maserati Turbo. My analysis is that those two are separate people and edit different articles. MT is didn't even edit much.

Fact 2: WM'S original block is very questionable and questionably wrong. He presumably got Softlavender and Winkelvi, two collaborating (possibly meatpuppets) and very disruptive editors mixed up. When WV was blocked for the 9th time (!), he stopped editing under that name. WM got the two mixed up and congratulated him for not being disruptive for several days and weeks, then released the mixed up and within minutes removed his message. THIS IS LIKELY TO MAKE WM FEEL VICTIMIZED FOR BEING BLOCKED A MONTH FOR SUCH ERROR OF MEMORY. Now that is being used as a technical reason to block him for 3 months using the shaky reason that WM and MT are socks when they are two users with no overlap and MT is basically inactive.

Reason 3: Winkelvi and Softlavender are the ones that should be blocked for disruptive behavior, harassment (passive agressive), and meatpuppetry though I would suggest, at least a strong warning. Absent a warning only encourages battleground behaviour.

Reason 4: Mention of user:Thank you very much wiki is outing and should lead to sanctions to Winkelvi and Softlavender for complaining. If Tim Bosnia and Thank You are the same, they do not violate any sock rules but could be a name change. User Evelyn Mann may be Tim's girlfriend and freely acknowledged being told of a situation which she commented on. That is full disclosure not sockpuppetry. To block all 3 is WRONG and shows lack of professional judgement.

Reason 5: I am so disappointed at Wikipedia and those that are involved with WM blockage that I am sticking my neck out to comment.

Comment: WM, if unblocked, you should change your name AND be a model Wikipedia user. Administrators should allow this

Support I support unblocking and my recommendations to WM. WV and Softlavender have committed a pattern of disruptive meatpuppetry and blocking them is appropriate. I recommend at least counseling and warning to them . In short, I find the blocking grossly unjust because it is using a technical reason and ignoring that it is based on an erroneous first block and also ignoring the bad behaviour of WV and Softlavender, which is the root cause of the problem. Wawaxi (talk) 06:39, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Death of Prince[edit]

Hello Whiskeymouth,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Death of Prince for deletion, because it appears to duplicate an existing Wikipedia article, [[10]].

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. $Tushi Talk To Me$ 10:34, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

Hello, Whiskeymouth. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

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