User talk:Troy 07/Archive 2

thank you

Hi Troy,

thank you for your message that you posted back in May and sorry for the late reply. I'm quite interested in Coptic-related stuff, and i would like to contribute to any articles you might need help with.

Regards, Nader Meleka (talk • contribs) 23:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem, glad to do my part. Best wishes, ~ Troy (talk) 23:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

• Thanks for adding the userbox to my page. Ghaly (talk) 21:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheers

For reverting the personal attack on my page Jakisbak (talk) 10:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Egypt

I apologize regarding a mistake I made while reverting an edit in the Egypt article. I failed to notice there were two different sources [1] and [2] estimating the Christian population at 10% and 10-20% respectively. Kefo77 (talk) 10:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. I am confident that your edits are still correct. Regards, ~ Troy (talk) 19:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

My user page

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my user page! LeaveSleaves (talk) 20:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For your fight against vandalism and also for reverting edits on my user and talk pages. LeaveSleaves (talk) 19:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much :) ~ Troy (talk) 19:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:User:LOGANA

I have left a note on his/her talk page and will keep an eye on the article. ... discospinster _talk 02:42, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, the user is blocked now so that's out of the way. ... discospinster _talk 02:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. ~ Troy (talk) 02:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Important development on Egyptians

Please see Talk: Egyptians.--Yolgnu (talk) 01:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikisource VS Coptic Civilization

Hey Troy :) I think Wikisource is a really nice projects, but I'm not sure I have enough cycles to burn on it nowadays! I would be more interested in editing English article about the Coptic Civilization. Let me know if you are thinking or a small project that needs couple of hands. I will start the List of Coptic Churches in US page. I think it is an important project. Take a look at it and let me know, the main page will have the states the subpages will have the churches in each state. tc, Ray —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coptic ray (talk • contribs) 19:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey Troy, I got you point about not to create a list of empty pages, but may be this empty list will encourage local parishioners to add info about their churches! What do you think? do you aim or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coptic ray (talk • contribs) 19:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Totally agree, cause this is what happened exactly lol, you added a red link and I jumped in and filled it ;) so if we create such a page and people didn't find their church info, they will add it ;) Also, we don't need to create an article for each church, if the list had the names of churches and a link to each church website that would be a very good start.

Nice List!

Compliments on creating List of Coptic Orthodox Churches in the United States, which has to be one of the longest list i have ever seen on an initial article creation :). Excirial ^{(Talk,Contribs)} 20:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Coptic churches

They could make a comedy of it!

We both tried to redirect one version to the other, then we both realised and undid our redirects.

I'll defer to you to decide which to redirect!! Mayalld (talk) 20:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey my email is remos@bu.edu email me, I have a nice surprise for you ;) Coptic ray (talk) 20:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 Summer Olympics Opening Ceremony

Not too sure about your last revert. Are the ceremonies completed, because it started at 8:08 PM local time and said it would last three hours? So considering it is well past 11:00 PM in London and close to 10 PM in my time zone in eastern Canada, I would think they are done.--JForget 02:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

My mistake. heh, I live in western Canada. ~ Troy (talk) 02:01, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

It's okay, I was wondering how come the ceremonies would last that long. --JForget 02:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

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Coulsdon

No need to request an image for Coulsdon. Here it is ahead of the article. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 08:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, RHaworth.

Thanks for your contributions. BTW, how did you know that I was working on stuff like that?

I appreciate the image, it does look pretty nice. I really should get out more ;)

Best wishes, ~ Troy (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

How did I know? In a word: NPP! Incidentally, you might care to look at the work of Jaisontsy who seems to have difficulty with the concept of copyright. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 17:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, thanks a bunch! I will create an article for it in a few days, hopefully. Cheers, ~ Troy (talk) 17:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Recent revert on AFC.

Hi, I noticed an IP address removed a template from Wikipedia:Articles for creation/2008-08-12, and you reverted them. Then you mentioned on their talk page that their "test worked". I've seen users say this to IPs, and even to new-accounts, before, but there's one thing I've never fully understood: How do you know when a user is just testing, or when they are really vandalizing? Is it really just a way of assuming good faith? Thanks! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 00:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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"Daddy's Little Girls"

No worries, happens to me as well :) De728631 (talk) 22:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Template substitution

Thanks for the reminder! :) I used to substitute them, but somehow forgot about it recently. De728631 (talk) 23:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Caliphate

Thanks for the answer, it seems that wikipedia admins were not reverting back our edits. So, it is the other group and there automated bot is reverting back to wrong content. If you consider it disputed then it should be removed as it reflects the thoughts of someone who is not aware of actual facts.

So, it means that other group has also been given warning for continues reverting?Ok, the link you forwarded me I have seen the same point raised by some one else therefore this should be removed. Ahmaddiya is just a group they are non muslims and they do not reflect islam in any way.I hope you will understand this and raise this to higher authorities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Islamhistory123 (talk • contribs) 23:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

This article is not compliant with neutral point of View. If it was it should have compliant with islamic fatwas. Please find the link below about Ahmadiyas/Qadianis that they are not considered muslims at all.I hope you will investigate this and publish article on this encylopedia which is correct! http://www.irshad.org/exposed/fatwas/binbaz.php

Fall Out Boy

Thank you for reverting the vandalism on the Fall Out Boy talk page. I have been extremely busy lately, so I haven't been able to monitor my watchlist as closely as I would like. It's good, however, to see that other users have been actively fighting vandalism on these articles. Thanks again. ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² (_talk\^contribs) 05:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: Question about Twinkle

Hey, in case you haven't seen it already, I left you a message on my talk page. — OranL (talk) 04:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. ~ Troy (talk) 16:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Talk page

Thanks for keeping an eye on my talk page. Cheers.... justinfr (talk) 18:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem :) If anything happens, feel free to send me a message. ~ Troy (talk) 18:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Question about blocks

As far as I know, if a user is vandalizing, there's no reason that the same admin can't give all the warnings and then a block. Is there something specific you had in mind in terms of "usual" vandalism? If it's good-faith but misguided editing, then I probably would leave a personal note on the user's talk page and offer assistance. ... discospinster _talk 00:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

It's best to look at each edit individually, I guess! ... discospinster _talk 00:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

removal of comments

uncivil comments removed

Actually, users are free to remove threads and comments from their talk pages; though doing so in bad faith can potentially lead to disrepute, I don't see that that's the case, here. What, pray tell, are you hoping to accomplish with this? – Luna Santin (talk) 03:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I have removed those comments again as that IP was involved in disruptive editing, including vandalizing my user page. To all admins or anyone who may happen to come across such edits, I have no problem with you reverting them as I would still assume good faith towards those reverts even if I disagree with them. ~ Troy (talk) 23:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

IP Vandalism from ANI

The section got deleted before I got a chance to respond to what you had wrote.

You are correct, blocking all IPs would block people who didn't do anything wrong. But, I think, like you said, there should be a way to track vandals and block them without blocking everyone. I just wonder how that can be done. Maybe a program could be made and editors could add it to their accounts if they wish (like TWINKLE), so it would make this easier. Just an idea. Take Care...NeutralHomer • Talk 01:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not terribly sure. I was thinking of asking an admin about something that you might find interesting, though: is it technologically possible—at this point—to track IP ranges?? Because, you know, it is so easy to change your IP. I found a way to change my IP in literally seconds—waay to easy to evade a block. I don't know how it works on XP (I think you need to use command-prompt) as I am using a Vista, but either way, since a good number of the sneakier vandals know how to do this in such a short time, we are in a serious situation.

While it is easy to change ones IP ...I noticed that it is seemingly impossible to change my IP range. That's why I want to find out if there is a way to track vandalism within ranges which have infamous editors who act in bad faith. And BTW, it looks as though I have finally found a way to properly install Lupin's anti-vandalism tool on IE 7 if you are interested. Regards, ~ Troy (talk) 02:06, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Blocking the ranges would be great for two users in particular...User:BenH and User:Dingbat2007 who are constantly vandalizing Radio and TV station pages. Having to clean that mess up drives me (along with other users) nuts. They mostly operate on IPs (Dingbat2007 operates on same name sock accounts), so to block a range of them would make our job sooo much easier.

I had Lupin's Anti-Vandalism Tool, but it was kinda confusing to me and I normally just used TWINKLE. Right now, I am on probation until the end of the month, so I can't use anything, but I will probably go back to TWINKLE. Thank You, though :) Take Care and Have a Great Weekend...NeutralHomer • Talk 03:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, thanks for the feedback! I look forward to working with you. Regards, ~ Troy (talk) 03:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: tracking IP ranges

Hrm, I think that the tool Zzuuzz was talking about here is what you're looking for, but I am not sure. I never enabled the tool because I don't know a lot about rangeblocks, so I stay away from them so I don't make a mistake. I would try it out and see, or you could ask Zzuuzz about it. Sorry I can't help you more. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 01:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem. That's a great start. ~ Troy (talk) 19:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

User:70.128.184.187

How do we make this person stop making wonderful edits to the article on Jayne Mansfield? A block? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 07:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Gee, thanks. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 08:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: IP range-tracker

Hey Troy, Nice work! I will give those two a shot probably tomorrow, when hopefully my allergies have subsided. The ragweed is killing me, has me reading between watering eyes and sneezes. Pollen count should be better tomorrow and I will give it a shot then :) Take Care...NeutralHomer • Talk 01:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Alright, then! Good luck with those allergies, ~ Troy (talk) 01:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Egyptians

Nofri Troy. Please keep an eye on Egyptians. That same guy continues to vandalize the article. Tihepehmot entotk emmasho! --Lanternix (talk) 06:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I have responded on its talk page. Also, remember to note the difference between large-scale "vandalism" and "edit warring". This is a content dispute, not simply a matter of who is right or wrong. ~ Troy (talk) 18:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Subpage

Not sure. The page has laid dormant for 2 years and suddenly in less than month it was flooded with vandals. It's beens semi-protected and I've got it on watch now which seems to be helping. Gateman1997 (talk) 21:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind my last. I hadn't seen the attack on my main userpage. Gateman1997 (talk) 23:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Could you delete the subpage? As much as I have a historical interest in the page... the original was AFD'ed long ago for good reasons. Could you delete the subpage and protect? That will nip this lunacy in the bud I think. Gateman1997 (talk) 23:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I missed that... Hope "retardate" has been usernameblocked already... Exploding Boy (talk) 00:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Cross-wiki vandalism

Left a note on User talk:Jpgordon for you.  — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 10:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! ~ Troy (talk) 16:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Chart Position

Some knob keeps changing this info to #9 religiously - not a Wiki expert - but is there a way to stop him/her?

Here are the ACTUAL chart positions > reference= Rolling Stone Magazine, Billboard Magazine, And R&R Radiocharts :

Five Finger Death Punch - The Bleeding top position on Active Rock Charts was #7 proof: http://a911.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/116/l_6713f8944a49e5d2f3530dc7dece4826.jpg

The second single - Never Enough - top position on Active Rock Charts were #8 proof: http://a63.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/121/l_f2745bb18b3eeca4a9a52d2440fabfa6.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.54.141.238 (talk) 22:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I haven't contributed to that page, so I can't say for sure. Who is this user that you are talking about? Is it someone you knew for a while, or is this recent? ~ Troy (talk) 23:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Rangeblock

Thanks for your help on ANI tonight. Cheers, caknuck _° is geared up for football season 04:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Actually, you should probably be aware that User:Splarka should be the one who is attributed to designing the tool; all I did was show you my method of how to make it easier to use :) ...since this is your first rangeblock, I should (again) warn you not to use that tool for making "guesses"—it is meant for tracking vandalism and should be used as a guide only.

I certainly wasn't as crazy as I thought back when I was thinking about whether there really was a way to track IP ranges. I did know at the time that there is a way to block them. After asking only 3 admins, I finally found it! Also, since I found a way to find a gadget on toolserver to track global user contribution and creation logs (here and here, respectively), I was wondering if there is a way to combine them all (it sounds crazy, but may be someone can help on gadget proposals or Village pump). As a matter of fact, toolserver is usually way slower than MediaWiki, which is what the IP range gadget is used for.

One last thing: can you please tell me how/where you used that "applet" to precisely find ranges? Thanks. I'd also like to thank you for making the decision of asking for a checkuser and putting the issue on ANI before making your first rangeblock. I look forward to helping you if you need anything at all. Kind regards, ~ Troy (talk) 01:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Re. "Troy 08"

Hello Troy and thank you for contacting me. Well, that username might indeed be a spoofer (not a very good one though), but it might also be just a coincidence. If you know of a user who had been attempting to spoof your username by the time this account was created (last February), then chances are that it's the same person. If it becomes obvious that it's a spoofer, then no checkuser is needed (I can block the account then). But in my opinion this account is rather innocuous, as it has no contributions, you know of it, and its creator might have even forgotten the account password by now. :-) So don't worry, there are impersonators who are able to do a much better (worse) job than this one. By the way, you've been doing a great job lately. I'll add you to my RFA watchtower as I see you're interested in becoming an admin. Maybe I could nominate you in the future if you keep it up (and be in need of a nominator, of course). So, back to work! :-) Regards, Húsönd 01:02, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I have replied on your talk page. Regards, ~ Troy (talk) 01:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I've never performed a rangeblock either, too complicated and risky. I usually leave it to the techs. :-P Regards, Húsönd 01:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanx

Thank you for reverting vandalism on my talk page, I'm sure he will be back soon though. — Realist² 03:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Discussion with JzG

Hi Troy

Can you please explain why you removed my entry on JzG's talk page? He proposed one of my articles for deletion, so I asked him for some clarification, and you've deleted it. What did I do wrong?

Thanks Iainjones1980 (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I removed your discussion because it turned up on Lupin's anti-vandal tool (it's actually a great tool; the problem is, I have to look carefully because sometimes it will filter "bad words" within good-faith or positive edits). It is a bad mistake on my part, but as you can see, I reverted my edits there. Thank you for notifying me. ~ Troy (talk) 18:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Troy, you had me worried for a minute ;o) Iainjones1980 (talk) 18:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem, and if you ever catch me making such edits again, feel free to "pester" me as much as you want ;) I won't mind. Good luck. Regards, ~ Troy (talk) 19:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

re: User talk:Sauropods

While I normally leave unblock requests for other admins to handle, his were so patently abusive that I've protected his talk page also. Thanks for the heads-up. —C.Fred (talk) 19:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Dick Kazmaier

Dear Troy,

I certainly did not intend to be engaging in "vandalism" when I added a note at the end of the article on "Dick Kazmaier" and the one on "Richard Kazmaier" that they were not two different people but one and the same person, and that the list of Princeton footbal greats should not list them separately.

I was trying to be helpful, having failed to find a place where I could simply point out to someone that the two articles need to be merged.

At the very least, each article should have a "see also [Richard/Dick] Kazmaier" because the information is presented differently, with at least one inconsistency, and some thing in one that are not in the other (and vice versa). (The article under the name Richard seems to be oriented towards his having attended high school in Ohio. The article under Dick seems to be oriented to his fame at Princeton, where he was definitely know as "Dick Kazmaier". [I know; my first year at Harvard overlapped with his last great year on Princeton's team.

Perhaps a simple "see also" note is what I should have added, but how could I edit the two names in the list to become the one "Richard (Dick) Kazmaier"?

Can you please explain to me how my well-intentioned correction constituted "vandalism"?

Sincerely, Joe Martin i.go.pogo (talk) 20:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

See the above section entitled "Discussion with JzG". I was using a tool to find vandalism/test edits (I should have given you a notification of the latter), so this happened to be the case more than once today. It looks as though you should have added a see also note, but that is minor and can be easily dealt with. Sorry, I don't have the intention of biting newcomers like you. I have added a welcome note to guide you to avoid having any issues to deal with. If you need anything, feel free to contact me again via email or on my talk page. Thanks, ~ Troy (talk) 22:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Re. Wikipedia:Content dispute

Hello Troy. I was surprised to learn this was a red link. I dunno what would be best: redirect to Wikipedia:NPOV dispute, redirect to WP:Dispute, or redirect somewhere else. You pick! ;-) You may also survey more people in order to see what they think. Regards, Húsönd 23:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Babies and bathwater

Does this seem a better course of action? I think what you were reacting to was the apparently accidental and automatic insertion of template text via one of those edit buttons I avoid like the plague. Yep, the one with the red 'no' circle around the capital W. Scary beasts... Shenme (talk) 03:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Accidental. Must have been the addition of "Insert non-formatted text here", I suppose. Thank you for letting me know, and remember to remind me if I do that again. ~ Troy (talk) 18:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: post on my talk page

Yeah, sorry about that note I left yesterday. I still had your userpage and talk page on my watchlist, and I saw you update your userpage with the link to your sandbox, and I thought it would be awesome for me to be the first vandal there. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 19:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

???

Why did you revert my good revert --75.39.218.189 (talk) 02:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

See the above section entitled "Discussion with JzG" (same mistake). I was using a tool to find vandalism/test edits, and it must have spotted your edit summary. If you need anything, feel free to contact me again via email or on my talk page. Thanks, ~ Troy (talk) 02:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

You're Welcome :) - NeutralHomer • Talk 02:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Kimera Kat/Three word story

Apparently, this edit that you reverted was in good faith, since the article was meant as a humor page.

Don't worry; I've made the same mistake millions of times. :) LaPianista! «talk» 03:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

My apologies, La Pianista. If you looked above this section on my talk page, then you will have already noticed how common these mistakes of mine are (at least recently). But thanks for not assuming that I did that intentionally (although I'm not saying that anyone else did). If you ever have the urge to contact me via email or on my talk page, please feel free to do so. Cheers, ~ Troy (talk) 22:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Just saying thank you for reverting the IP on my talk page. I wonder how my RfA is doing... SchfiftyThree 00:01, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Re. User:Ballsinmymouth

Indef blocked now (inappropriate username AND vandalism-only account). Thank you for reporting. Regards, Húsönd 01:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Cross-Faded

I've declined the speedy you placed on Cross-Faded. The article is not vandalism as I can see it being mentioned a number of times on the web. But since the article is pretty much a dictionary definition, I've nominated it for deletion. If you would like to participate in this deletion discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cross-Faded. Cheers, Cunard (talk) 06:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. The article is getting speedied as a copyright violation. Best, Cunard (talk) 06:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for sending the first introductory message to my sister, redhearts11. I commend you for it. I appreciate your generosity! Signed, BlueCaper (talk) 03:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

And thanks for the revert to my talk page, appreciated. ^Khukri 11:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic group articles

Hi. In light of the failure to reach consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afghan British‎ I've suggested that there be a discussion of the various issues raised, here. Your input would be appreciated. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I'll take part in that ASAP. ~ Troy (talk) 17:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Omegastar

Hmm, you're probably right. However, he hasn't made any edits since 05:12 this morning, so my guess is he got hit by an autoblock somewhere or another.

If he shows up again, you may want to make a post on WP:AN/K, since I will most likely not be online for 36 hours or so in about an hour. AN/K is sort of an informal admins' noticeboard, a lot of editors and admins (including me) watchlist that page. It is probably the best place to go to if you have an issue that is not serious enough for one of the "formal" noticeboards, but is serious enough to require immediate attention. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 02:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For placing his own user page at risk by reverting the vengeful vandal who popped my user page's vandalism cherry! —Ashanda (talk) 07:18, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! :-) ~ Troy (talk) 18:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

"Buspar is a sockpuppet of Xuanwu" discussion

Hi, I saw your comment on Talk:Okashina Okashi - Strange Candy about User:Xuanwu and User:Buspar being the same editor. I've long suspected this and am glad to see some light being shined on this. But I see that you've suggested "trying to keep the discussion in one spot." Where is the best place for that discussion? --Dragonfiend (talk) 02:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I see. No need to worry about that really, it just seemed that User:Onethirtyeightdot was a little keen on taking the issue to more than one place. The best place looks like this SSP report (which will expire, so no need to get to that) and, more importantly, the ANI thread which you are already aware of. There actually does appear to be evidence that "Onethirtyeightdot" evaded a block as "138. ...", so I'll look into it as soon as I can. I would like to see what others have to say about it, though. ~ Troy (talk) 23:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Please read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Misza13/Archives/2008/09#Gra_wp_reverts Prodego ^talk 01:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I knew this would be controversial so I tried to get the arbcom to resolve it. They declined. I was left with two options, give up my principle of treating everyone equally (I have blocked unapproved bots before), or block. I meant a true indefinite block ( a block for an indefinite amount of time), not infinite. Prodego ^talk 01:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Pope Cyril VI

Hey troy 08!

I'm Coptic Orthodox too! Nofri Eho'oo Pason Troy!

Anyways I've noticed that Pope Kyrillos the Sixth's article makes no mention of his miracle making whatsoever. In a way, he is the Coptic equivalent of Padre Pio and Padre Pio's article has a section called 'Alleged Supernatural Phenomena" and talks in depth about his stigmata. I think that his miracles deserve to be mentioned not only becuase of how much they are a part of the way he is remembered, but also because of the sheer number of them! I know its a stub but thats definitely one of the things that should go on there in my opinion.

I'm not registered and I wouldn't know what to write anyway but you seem to be a more than capable dude so I thought I'd let you know. Its no big deal or anything, just something to think about.

Anyways nice to meet you and keep up the good work!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.131.107.161 (talk) 11:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I try to properly expand articles with as much neutrality and verifiability as possible, so that would prove to be difficult. However, I appreciate the message and I'll definitely think about it! ~ Troy (talk) 01:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Ping

I, by policy tend to reply on my own page, and was not sure you are aware I answered you with a query... pop by when you get a chance. Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 18:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Actually, I was aware (just a little busy), but I have responded by email and notified you on your talk page. Cheers, ~ Troy (talk) 01:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Your message

Well your right about the shared IP. I really don't care what you do with that talk page, as long as it's appropriate and follows Wikipedia guidelines. I have thought about opening up a sockpuppet account,(with permission), solely for the purpose of editing in public places. But then again, I haven't really had any problems. I've really been working hard to improve my editing skills, and from the looks of things, it looks like it has helped, as I've been getting a lot more respect from other editors. -- TylerPuetz (^talk/_contribs) 04:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Swami Rama, Threats, Insults & Blanking

Thanks for addressing the abusive language against me on the talk page for this article. Is there a particular administrator you or I could report all this blanking to? Some guy with only an IP (and now a new IP) insists such-and-such is not true in the talk page, so blanks the information over and over instead of providing a contrary reference. I'm sick of being accused of having some agenda on this particular article when I chose it almost at random as one of the few pages to fix and patrol, and exactly because of this.

The user has also been warned under more than one name many times for such behavior, and I don't think he'll stop blanking under that or any other name. Is there anything that can be done? Would arbitration make sense, since I have no personal interest in the article itself, just its integrity? Very frustrated ... Venus Copernicus (talk) 19:10, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Replied here. ~ Troy (talk) 22:37, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

The insanity begins again. This one guy in particular "Asrwiki" is turning the artcile into an essay explaining the facts in the artcile he doesn't like and adding all kinds of opinion-statements, unsources accusations, assumptions of people's motives, totally non-NPOV kind of stuff like I've never seen. If you read the changes and talk page, it would make your head swim, and it's turned into a flame war, partly my fault due to such frustration.

The sad part is he thinks he is living the spirit of WP through all kinds of philosophical nonsense about "Collective Wisdom" "Open Networks" Plato's "true knowledge" blah blah blah like I don't have a clue while saying I'm being too authoritative (which I might be). I don't know if this guy is insane or just refuses to learn or admit basic jourtnalistic common sense. So I deserately need other editors to step in and give a second view and set him straight (or am I the insane one?) Is there a moderator that could warn this guy and possibly freeze the article in its cleaned up form?Venus Copernicus (talk) 15:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Christian populations in Egypt

Hi Troy According to all references, even the references you supplied Christians are 10% out of the total population of Egypt, Here we write what is WP:TRUE and from WP:RS, and we are not concerned with WP:OR « PuTTY^SchOOL 18:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me. Unfortunately, that wasn't what I put at all, if you think my reference was like that. My ref is from the Washington Institute and, after having discussed it several times before, it seems like a sound source. I don't know how anyone can say that it says only 10% when it specifically applies a given range.

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"Christians make up 10-20 percent of Egypt's population of seventy-seven million, though precise estimates of the number of Copts vary widely. By any account, they represent by far the largest Christian community in the Middle East."

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As there are many views/POVs/disagreements, no one figure would seem to be the best solution. For example, the Christian Churches in Egypt (specifically the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria) estimates 15-20%, the old censuses said about 6% and other sources claim approx. 10%. Really, there is abosolutely no such claim that this one figure is fully "verified" when you keep in mind that these are only estimates (controversial ones to say the least). Also, if you look at the talk page, I have replied in more than one section, only to be ignored by several IPs for multiple times. When a reliable source is given and it says what more than one side claims, that is not to be unexpected. According to WP:NPOV, if there is more than one argument on controversial figures and/or data, then it can be balanced by multiple sources, which is what I'm ultimately aiming for. ~ Troy (talk) 22:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, it was totally uncalled for when those IPs went after me. This whole thing is wasting my time when I should really be contributing here. Also, there are estimates which aim higher and lower than 10 percent. I don't care if I have to put down 6-20% (see the intro on "Copts"), but what matters is that people don't repeatedly revert my contribs without discussing it. It was going on for too long for me to actually consider it. Some sources go as low as 6% or as high as 23%, so in any case, that bunch of sources that you gave are mostly just influenced by the Egyptian government (Putty said that some gov't records do say 10%, as you can see in the page history). This page on Egypt says 15% of the population, and so does the Christian Post. Sources like this and this book entitled "The Australian People" (on ethnicities) both suggest a range of about 10 to 20 percent. Quite frankly, it isn't my job to find every single source to prove my point, but at this point, most people would get the idea that there really isn't one single figure. The fact of the matter is that while the media may be heavily affected in one way or another (by the Church or State, the latter more likely), there are still views that are controversial enough to allow for avoiding specific figures, which is not uncommon. ~ Troy (talk)

Well stated, Troy. I have faced similar issues with Putty. If needed, feel free to count on me to help you contribute in peace. --Einsteindonut (talk) 00:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Swami wars

Hi Troy, I only noticed this today. My interest has been that of defusing the edit war and reverting unsourced POV. It seems that there has been a lot of warring going on there in the past week, with several contributors making the same edits multiple times, so I did request page protection [3]. Either one of us can go in and do a more thorough cleaning-up of unverified content or original research, but when the wrestling match has been intense, I prefer to have the administrative cavalry take a look first. Thanks for your note. Cheers, JNW (talk) 23:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

THANK YOU. At first I tried to simply undo all the nonNPOV commentary being constantly added, along with weird titles and quasi-spiritual commments. After a revert war, I gave up and tried to add some of his edits as NPOV as possible in pieces as a temporary comprimise, even a few that simply don't belong. I am SO glad to see someone is stepping in to set this striaght, as the other editor has his own ideas of what belongs on WP irrespective of the pillars and standards. I wish I was more adept at calling in moderators and asking for such measures, which is why I came to Troy (see my above addition to talkpage). Venus Copernicus (talk) 19:43, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Delhi

Hey! User:Nikkul has reverted the addition of montage again and I don't understand the need to "gain consensus" when clearly he is the only one opposing it and he should be the one seeking consensus. He also replaced image on Humayun's Tomb with a blurry one and that too of low resolution. And he also added an image on India Gate when we already have another one on it in the climate section. The only logical reason I see here is that the newer images weren't uploaded by User:Nikkul and hence he opposes their inclusion. And look at this! He blatantly removes references and pushes POV. Your thoughts? --128.211.201.161 (talk) 20:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes ...just a few. The job here was to make sure that there was proper reason on the talk pages and then move ahead with the additions. However, now that those additions keep getting reverted, I suggest that you make sure that you cease your part from the edit war by using the "one revert rule". This is to show that you do not approve of taking part in it, and also means that the article history will get less negatively affected (the trick here is to get the most meaningful end result—re-reverting will mean that it will not be stable and you'll get a bigger mess in your hands). The next step would be to notify the user (again) that he/she should use the talk page to avoid further conflict. At that point, all you have to do is see what happens after that. If there's still an issue, try dispute resolution (there, you can find links to reach formal/informal mediators ...perhaps WP:EA should do). In any case, I'll keep an eye on it. ~ Troy (talk) 00:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Alrite. Thanks for your advise. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 00:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Sure, happy to help :-) ~ Troy (talk) 00:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit war?

Um fyi...it's only an edit war if there's three or more reverts in one day. Nikkul (talk) 08:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The three revert rule does in fact apply to edit wars, but that's only when there's more than 3 reverts. Actually, it doesn't take a 3rr violation to be an edit war. "Edit warring is a behavior, not a simple measure of the number of reverts on a single page in a specific period of time." Being bold is allowed, but it doesn't apply to this case as you were reached on your talk page more than once ...thus, I suggest that you use the talk page as a medium of discussing the specific problem rather than to engage in reverts. ~ Troy (talk) 01:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

FYI

Dear Troy FYI « PuTTY^SchOOL 11:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm ...well, my initial impression was that ED and yourself were just in it over a couple of content disputes. It kind of looks like either you or ED was intentionally trying to stalk the other guy—to what degree, I'm not sure. I'd suggest trying to give it a rest for a couple of days and see if it cools down. As for the dispute in that article itself, I'm not too interested, but I'll keep an eye on it just in case. Cheers, ~ Troy (talk) 23:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Troy, regarding this article Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria I don’t know too much about fine details about Egypt, but I think this is the main Church in Egypt, and the name must be "Coptic Orthodox Church of Egypt" « PuTTY^SchOOL 00:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I've wondered about the title ...but better be safe than sorry, because that would go against naming conventions unless there was a proposed move (accompanied with a lengthy discussion, which I've lost interest in for the last few weeks). You might want to see Church of Alexandria, which is a commonly reffered term. Also, remember that Alexandria is the original location of the "main church", being founded there. So, I'd say that it could only be the present name or the more commonly reffered name of "Coptic Orthodox Church" (being already discussed a while ago, probably before I was around just over a year ago). ~ Troy (talk) 00:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Troy is the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria Considered as the main Coptic churches in the Middle East, or as the main Coptic Orthodox churches in the Middle East« PuTTY^SchOOL 02:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry ...could you please restate that? From what I understand, if you're including Coptic Catholics or Egyptian Protestants, then the Coptic Orthodox Church is still more widely recognized as "the Coptic Church" than the others—that would be why there's a redirect (also, the Coptic Catholic Church and the Evangelical Church of Egypt (Synod of the Nile) are linked from "Copts", which is about all three of them). ~ Troy (talk) 18:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank You Troy for your support for the test Adminship --Ramsis II (talk) 18:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey man. No problem, and thanks for the swift response there :) ~ Troy (talk) 18:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Crosswiki vandalism

Thanks. Is is possible (or worthwile) to check this IP adress with those of User V.R. on French Wiki? Cheers! Tazmaniacs (talk) 11:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about whether or not the IP should be checkusered with that account, neither am I a checkuser to begin with. However, you could ask on the vandalism reports page, or you could go on meta:Steward requests/Checkuser. If there's good evidence that shows a connection, go for it, but remember that Checkuser is not for fishing. ~ Troy (talk) 00:14, 9 October 2008 (UTC)