User talk:Thomas.W/Archive 7

Kashmir conflict

Hey there - just as an FYI regarding the proposals the IP has made for the text in the article - if you have some time, read over the DRN thread, specifically, where the statements by Sayeed Mufti and the "EU" (actually one MEP of the EU speaking of their own volition as shown by another reference) were shown as personal opinions (the one of Sayeed rejected by members of their own party) and thus fell under undue weight. Just thought you should have the whole picture. Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 07:07, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Future of the Indian Navy

I saw you reverted my one Edit on Future of the Indian Navy well, I was searching for Reliable references and in between you reverted me. Anyway, I am Googling Reliable sources for that Boris Lewis (talk) 14:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC) Boris Lewis (talk) 14:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@Boris Lewis: Reliable sources should be added when you add the material, not afterwards. The reason I reverted you, and will look through the other edits you've made, is that blogs and forums, such as defenceforum.in that you used as reference, per Wikipedia's rules regarding reliable sources can't be used as sources at all, and defencenews.in is of dubious reliability. It's an aggregator site with no links to where their information comes from, making their information unverifiable, their stated purpose "We want the world to look at India as a military super power of the 21st century and not just as a country of software professionals." also gives the impression of them being more of a propaganda site than a reliable news outlet. Thomas.W ^talk 14:27, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@ Thomas.W I agree with you about the defenceforum. But the defencenews.in is a reliable source, you can see. Infact they even mentioned the information is it from india times Although I will add the info after few minutes with multiple reliable sources, then don't revert me again. Boris Lewis (talk) 14:39, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@Boris Lewis: I saw the reference to "India Times" but am far less impressed by it than you seem to be. If they had written "Times of India" and had provided a date, and preferably a link, it would with all probability be reliable, but "indiatimes.com" isn't a reliable newspaper but a web site mainly publishing gossip about Indian celebrities and Bollywood movies, and not a reliable source for more serious news. As evident by the article you linked to, which is pure speculation about what could possibly happen in the future. Thomas.W ^talk 15:09, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

References

MyITreturn edits undo

I was informed by 'Mean as custard' that website links should not be done. THis has been removed. When you undid the posts on myitreturn, there were some external references that were undone. So, undoing. Thanks. Taxexpert01 (talk) 14:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

• @Taxexpert01: The message from Mean as custard has nothing to do with the material I removed, they gave you a warning for spamming external links ([1], [2], [3]) on multiple articles. So I have reverted your addition of promotional material again. Thomas.W ^talk 14:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Hindi and related edits.

Hi, I'm not sure if you are from India. If you are my sincere apologies. For future reference, just stating that Hindi is not an official language anywhere outside of Himachal Pradesh, Harayana, Gujarat, Delhi, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Jharkhand, Uttarakhand, Madhya Pradesh and Chattisgarh. It is the official language of the Government of India and the states govts of the above mentioned states. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:08, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@Rsrikanth05: No, I'm not from India, nor anywhere else in that part of the world, for that matter; the main reason I'm active on articles relating to the Indian subcontinent is that the times of day when there's most activity on those articles usually fit the times of day when I can be most active on WP. As for official languages I go by what NCML, the National Commissioner for Linguistic Minorities, say in their almost-annual report (the AFAIK latest of which can be downloaded from here: http://nclm.nic.in/shared/linkimages/NCLM50thReport.pdf ), an official government report that lists both which languages are spoken as majority and minority languages where, and what the offical and sub-official/supplementary languages are in every state and nationally administered area in India. Down to separate districts if they differ from the state as a whole. So I have a fairly good picture of which languages are official where in India. The NCML report is very handy when dealing with "language warriors", since it's easy to check if their edits are correct or not (which they usually aren't...). Thomas.W ^talk 11:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

That works well too. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:45, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Moreover, in many urban blocks local bodies makes different laws, for example, cities having large urdu speaking population, local municipal corporation of city passes law that both Hindi and Urdu are official languages of city council and they release their every document in both Hindi and Urdu, they name every government building in both Hindi and Urdu though official language of state can be just Hindi. So many times we revert when some IPs writes official language of that city other than Hindi, we say that "official language of the state is just Hindi". I'm confused regarding this issue whether to revert such edits because we don't know what is happening in their city council. These city councils are equally important. We must check website of that city council. City council also has elected representatives from all wards of the city. --Human3015 knock knock • 18:08, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@Human3015: The infobox should include the official language, and under a separate heading possibly also sub-official/secondary/supplementary languages, if that is known. And please note that locally recognized languages decided upon by city councils etc are never official languages, only supplementary in that specific location. Sub-official/secondary/supplementary languages on district level decided upon by the state legislatures can be found in the NCLM report, see for example what the report says about official language in West Bengal. It states that Bengali is the only official language in all of West Bengal state, but also says that Nepali and English are both secondary official languages in Darjeeling and two other districts bordering Nepal, so the NCLM report includes everything we need to know for the infobox of articles on state and district level. Thomas.W ^talk 18:32, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I struck part of what I wrote about Darjeeling since it has changed since the previous report, which is what is used as source in Darjeeling. The currently latest report says that both Bengali and Nepali are official languages in Darjeeling and Kurseong sub-divisions of the district of Darjeeling, but only there, so Bengali is the only official language in the rest of the state. The report also says that Hindi, Urdu, Santhali, Oriya and Punjabi have been declared as "Additional Official Languages" in the state, that is secondary official languages. Which gives us everything we need to know for both the state of West Bengal and all subdivisions of it. Thomas.W ^talk 19:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for your clarification. IPs or new users are mainly involved in changing "official language" of the city and adding names of schools and colleges, about which we don't have any idea. Watching cities is interesting task. --Human3015 knock knock • 19:15, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

B. V. Sreekantan

I have added the name of B. V. Sreekantan under Notable alumni section of TIFR article. The article on Sreekantan is being created and the inclusion was for crosslinking. Cheers!!--jojo@nthony (talk) 14:09, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@Tachs: Then please add the link to the list after you're finished with the article, so that it isn't a redlink. Names without an existing article are being routinely removed since 99% of them are clearly non-notable, and have been added by themselves or their families or friends. I don't doubt that Sreekantan is notable, though, since you're creating an article about him, but there's an above 50% chance that it won't be long before someone else removes it if I add the redlink back again. Thomas.W ^talk 14:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

The article on B. V. Sreekantan is created. Please have a look at it when you have time. Thanks for your patience; Have a great wikilife!! Cheers mate!!--jojo@nthony (talk) 16:55, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

It looks good, well done. Thomas.W ^talk 17:12, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Mate!--jojo@nthony (talk) 17:14, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

With due respect

I added sourceful addition to 'Ameen Faheem' which is more than a fact regarding him being the Chairman of Pakistan People's Party Parliamentarians and Former Chairman of Alliance of Restoration of Democracy. It would simply be an act to undermine his achievements by editing and hiding his traits. Derasindh24 (talk) 20:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

You have made repeated unsourced edits with deliberately misleading edit summaries ("Grammatical correction in accordance with Wikipedia, historical addition with strong reference", "Historical addition with strong reference" etc as edit summaries on edits with no reference/source whatsoever). That's what you have been warned for. Thomas.W ^talk 21:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Further comment: One of your edits on Ameen Faheem added material with a link to another article, saying that viewers could look at that for reference, but a) other Wikipedia articles cannot be used as references, and b) the article you linked to is totally unsourced, so there's no source for your edit even there. Thomas.W ^talk 21:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Filling a sock report

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Hello could you please kindly tell me how to undertake a sock puppet investigation [4] this user is a notorious sock of Knightwarrior23 who always asks for help and then messages you for help I wanted to make sure he is banned before he damages more articles with his indian pov sock edits. ShivaParvati587 (talk) 13:43, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

FYI, I've already filed the SPI. Mar4d (talk) 14:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Asks me for help? If you look five sections up on this page you'll find that I reverted a number of edits that user made, and showed/explained why the sources he had used were worthless. That's not getting help from me... Thomas.W ^talk 14:50, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I said his basic give away trait is that he messages you first begging for help etc not that actually aid the sock I appreciate that you cannot recognise socks immediately I am not accusing you sheeesh stop being so defensive! ShivaParvati587 (talk) 15:57, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

@ShivaParvati587: Anyway, whose sock you are? --Human3015 knock knock • 16:55, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

If you're going to fight do the fighting somewhere else, not on my talk page. Thomas.W ^talk 17:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Ah yes Human3015 the sock supporter who covers for the pov pushing Indians you will eventually be found out for what you really are no matter how long you play your "neutral loving" edit game I have seen your previous edits a snake with two heads fits your description. ShivaParvati587 (talk) 17:26, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

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Not adding unreliable sources

Why are you reverting my edits. I have cited a source from the official site of Indian Telly Awards. It can't be an unreliable one. If any source is unreliable you can simply fix Citation needed instead of completely removing that content Vibhss (talk) 20:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

@Vibhss: A blog on Weebly and a link to a Youtube-video are not reliable sources, and even if they were they would provide references for only part of what you've repeatedly added to Kasamh Se. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a fanblog, so stop treating it as if it were. Thomas.W ^talk 20:52, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Delhi

Dear Thomas, I updated the delhi information about villages but not for total population of Villages and City. There are 364 villages in Delhi, which is a fixed count and can not be changed. Out of 364 villages 225 villages are Jat dominated. Cities count can change but villages count in Delhi will always be fixed. I have given you the refrence of biggest newspaper and most trusted newspapers of India specially Delhi. So please have a look upon this. As i have mentioned that this is village's information of delhi.Prashant 015 (talk) 09:38, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prashant 015 (talk • contribs) 09:33, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

@Prashant 015: I have checked the references, but just saying that 225 out of 364 villages, i.e. ~62%, within the NCT are dominated by Jats is misleading since Jats, per the same sources, only make up about 10% of Delhi's population, mainly living in farming communities at the outskirts of Delhi. So it isn't what you say in your edit that is the problem, it is what you don't say in your edit, giving the readers the impression that Jats make up a far larger part of Delhi's population than they do. Adding it to the lead/lede of the article is also WP:UNDUE since it's not a defining characteristic of Delhi, your repeated edits also place all references in the wrong places (they do not belong at the very top of the article...), remove the protection tag, etc., etc. So stop. Thomas.W ^talk 09:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

As Thomas.W says, please stop your disruptive editing on the Delhi article to avoid suspension of your editing rights. Thanks.  Philg88 ^♦talk 11:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Gondophares

July 2015

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Gondophares, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Constantine .H ^talk 14:21, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

• Well, hello Spalagdama. You're either seriously overestimating your own skills and intelligence or seriously underestimating ours. The edit you repeatedly make on Gondophares with ever new socks, both named account and IPs, is qualified POV BS, not supported by any sources. Which is why you are repeatedly being blocked for it. Thomas.W ^talk 14:32, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Storm Model Management

She is indeed a model with Storm Model Management in their private european sector. I have seen her comp cards on the models wall when I went to their hq a week ago. She is underage so therefore they don't give her a profile online until she is 16. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.38.85.114 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 24 July 2015‎ (UTC)

• Come on, I'm not half as stupid as you seem to think. You were reverted because it's a hoax edit that is regularly repeated by you, that is indefinitely blocked user Jemima West. Thomas.W ^talk 15:41, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Explainer videos & CC licence

What Alcohol Does to Your Body

Thank you for reviewing my edits. I'm fine with your feedback regarding Bitcoin, but for the rest, you can see below each video on YT that they're all CC licensed. Besides, you can see the same information here (https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Simpleshow_foundation&ilshowall=1). Can you revert your changes then? Or is there still missing something in licensing terms? Jack Matelot (talk) 15:54, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

@Jack Matelot: Hello. The problem isn't the licensing but the things I mentioned on your talk page, that you need to discuss it first on the talk page of each article, and give other editors a chance to check the content, both for neutrality (see WP:NPOV) and factual accuracy (which is especially important on medical articles). Thomas.W ^talk 15:59, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Hey Jack. Thanks for the videos. It is great having people working on them. I took a look at the one on alcoholism and placed it on that page under signs and symptoms. I also placed it at the top of Alcohol and health

Typically we only have one image / video in the lead of medical articles. Further such content should go in the body. Will look at your other work :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:46, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

By the way do you know how to upload subtitles for the videos you are working on? I see subtitles listed here [5]. Videos on commons have subtitle files here [6]

This would allow Wikipedians to translate the subtitle files into other languages. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay have readded to CPR and HIV/AIDS. User:Jack Matelot happy to keep working with you on adding other health related videos to Wikipedia. With respect to other topic areas might be best to simply post these videos on the talk pages initially. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:15, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Removal from Spam list

Hello Thomas

Recently when i am trying to add a reference for an article i found that the website has bee blacklisted and on spam list because of an unusual activity by a person called venu ... But sir www.teluguone.com is the only major resource which is available on internet for telugu related articles on all categories and more over it is a very old website sir and a prestigious website . It is looking like someones deliberate attempt to get it on to the blacklist .. Please guide me procedure for removal of this url from spam list — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queendivz (talk • contribs) 10:21, 28 July 2015‎

@Queendivz: The site was blacklisted because of repeated spamming by multiple IPs and throw-away accounts, trying all tricks in the book and then some to get links into articles here (see MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#teluguone.com), not because of the activities of a single user. The site is also not a reliable source per Wikipedia's rules, and cannot be used as a reference, so the odds are against getting the site off the blacklist. If there's a legitimate need (by Wikipedia's rules/standards) for specific links to teluguone.com to be added to articles, whitelisting of such links can be requested at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. Just follow the instructions on the page. Thomas.W ^talk 10:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

@Thomas : Thankyou Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queendivz (talk • contribs) 10:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Another user to review

So as not to give the sock master attention, I won't add this to the SPI. Please review the edits of Chad the Monkey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:30, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Please ignore: I see you are already dealing with this. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:36, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

• @Hroðulf: See this. Thomas.W ^talk 09:39, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

About University of Delhi page

I'm not very expert in editing pages. I just want to add logo of our university whose file is Logo_of_University_of_Delhi.png I don't know why the rest of the page is being disturbed by it. I request you could you please add logo for me. I'll be really thankful to you. ISahilBhaskar (talk) 18:26, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

@ISahilBhaskar: Hello. The edits you made were reverted because they replaced certain characters in the articles with codes, making all references unreadable for the system. So I'll add the logo for you. Thomas.W ^talk 18:51, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

And yeah sir thanks a lot! Idek how to reply on wiki but somehow I'm doing! Ur really great! If I have knew u personally I must had given u a present.--ISahilBhaskar (talk) 18:56, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate sir you tried fulfilling what I was trying to do! But you did it wrong!! You replaced the seal of University with its logo! Watch the page of University of Oxford page! It should be done that way! And undone this change--ISahilBhaskar (talk) 19:13, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. Thomas.W ^talk 19:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Someone had made vandal changes to University of Delhi page. Please do revert those changes. ISahilBhaskar (talk) 13:23, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

@ISahilBhaskar: I have restored the previous version of the article, but the edits that IP made were not vandalism, they were an attempt to repair this edit by IP 49.201.115.159, an edit that introduced the exact same coding errors as your edits did yesterday, making me believe it was you. So do not make any more edits to the article using the computer you have been recently been using, since it obviously uses a non-standard editor with a non-standard character set, an editor and a character set that isn't compatible with the English language Wikipedia. Thomas.W ^talk 13:32, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Kyivs'ka Rus'

if so, why it is called in Russian? And why not specify the name of the Ukrainian, because modern Ukraine largely in Kyivan Rus. How would you feel if article applies to Ukraine, it is not necessary to consider the opinion of the Ukrainian, backed by sources? Sorry for google transl--Бучач-Львів (talk) 10:13, 2 August 2015 (UTC) Please, read Kyi, Shchek and Khoryv

@Бучач-Львів: This is the English language Wikipedia, and Kievan Rus' is the English name for that historical political entity, which is why the article has that title. The Ukraine didn't exist back then, nor did the modern Ukrainian language, so the modern Ukrainian name for Kievan Rus' belongs no more in the lede of the article than the modern Scandinavian names for it, or the modern name in any other language than English. The names for it in other languages that are in the lede are in relevant languages of that period, i.e. Old Slavonic and Old Norse. So don't try to take your campaign to change Kiev to Kyiv everywhere on the English Wikipedia to articles that predate both the Ukraine and the (modern) Ukrainian language. Thomas.W ^talk 11:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Too bad you did not understand that the name - in Russian. Kyi was founder of Kyiv, not Kiev. And to Kievan Rus has more to do with Ukraine. And do not indicate in the article the modern Ukrainian name - wrong. Regarding as you said my campaign to replace - I do it only on the basis of sources. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 11:44, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Kyi, Shchek and Khoryv is a legend, not a historical fact, and the article about that legend here on en-WP is very badly sourced, and to a large extent unsourced, so it's totally irrelevant to this discussion. Kiev is the name used in English, the Scandinavian languages, German and just about every other language, not just in Russian. And as long as Kiev is the common name in English it will be the name that is used on the English language Wikipedia. Whether you like it or not. Thomas.W ^talk 11:53, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

You have not understood what I was saying.--Бучач-Львів (talk) 12:16, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

In that case you haven't explained it well enough. Kiev being called Kyiv in Ukrainian doesn't matter on the English language Wikipedia, since we go by what the common name in English is, not by the what the name is in the language spoken there. And Kiev is not in any way unique, there are hundreds of cities, regions and countries around the world that have a name in English that differs from the native name, and an article here on en-WP that uses the common name in English, and not the native name. Some of those cities are Rome (Roma), Copenhagen (København), Vienna (Wien), Prague (Praha), Warsaw (Warszawa), Venice (Venezia), Lisbon (Lisboa), Florence (Firenze) and Munich (München), and I have never seen anyone from those places make a fuss about it, the way you do. Thomas.W ^talk 12:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

After reviewing Atsme's actions, I have decided that her actions as a whole do not look good, but I have also decided to nominate this article for deletion, as it seems to be not notable and not more than a dictionary entry.--Müdigkeit (talk) 17:57, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Note: Closed as speedy keep... Thomas.W ^talk 09:52, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I mean it

Do not pile onto things I am trying to do. I do not play GANG games. So do not follow on to me. Please strike what you wrote at MONGO's page or open your own section. I cannot tell you how ugly it looks. My writing there was already delicate and you just dropped a dead pig on it. Jytdog (talk) 19:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

@Jytdog: I'm not piling on to anything you write and I do not follow you around, I run my own race, and, quite frankly, care more about the catfish articles and the current system for articles about species than about the rest of the mess around Atsme. The reason I posted on MONGO's talk page is this discussion on Atsme's talk page, which is all about species articles, and has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of it. So don't try to tell me what I can and can't do when it comes to subjects that concern me. And no, I'm not going to strike the post I made on MONGO's talk page. Thomas.W ^talk 20:10, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I really didn't like that. Open your own damned thread especially if your issue is distinct from mine. If you follow behind me again on some Atsme issue I will kick harder next time. I do not play GANG games and I will not be seen to be playing GANG games - and you seem oblivious to the latter. If you insist on being un-clueful do that at your expense, not mine. Jytdog (talk) 20:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Jytdog: I'm not part of a gang, never have been and never will be. My post on MONGO's talk page was an attempt to make them realise that there's no point in encouraging Atsme, because they're not going to be able to change the system, and that he ought to stay out of this, and not post on her talk page about it. Just like I haven't posted on her talk page after she got blocked. Thomas.W ^talk 20:21, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I just separated your post from mine at MONGO's page. Please let that stand. Jytdog (talk) 20:23, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Guys...I combined the two threads to address the issues...if Jytdog wishes me to restore Thomas.W heading I can.--MONGO 00:15, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Thomas W I owe you an apology. I was too harsh above and I am sorry for that. I am grateful to you MONGO for dealing with that gracefully. Jytdog (talk) 12:44, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Apology accepted. Thomas.W ^talk 13:16, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Kievan Rus'

I've started a discussion about Kievan Rus' on the Wikipedia Adminitrators' noiceboard.

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

--Elevencontortionist (talk) 12:03, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

• A complaint that was promptly dismissed. Thomas.W ^talk 19:08, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Schola Medica Salernitana

• These changes will not pass unnoticed . Your actions do not conform to the rules of wikipedia .--95.245.23.206 (talk) 18:29, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

• Out of curiosity I checked what the Italian Wikipedia say, and their take on it is "è considerata da molti come l'antesignana delle moderne università", or in English "it is considered by many to be the forerunner/predecessor of modern universities" (my emphasis), i.e. not even the Italian Wikipedia claim that Schola Medica Salernitana was a university, only a predecessor to it, one stop on the way to what later became universities as we know them today. While the claim repeatedly made by you is "The Schola Medica Salernitana (Principality of Salerno) is the first university in Europe and Western World" (my emphasis). Or in other words, not even the people on the Italian Wikipedia agree with you. Thomas.W ^talk 18:40, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, we understand your reasons but I think you should not insist(Thomas.W). The sources are in English and are very reliable and accurate.--79.18.109.65 (talk) 12:37, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

It's you who shouldn't insist. Salerno was not founded as a university, period. Thomas.W ^talk 13:27, 9 August 2015 (UTC) (For further reading see Talk:Schola Medica Salernitana)

Encyclopaedia Britannica and "The subversion of Australian universities, edited by John Biggs and Richard Davis, 2002 define clearly the content; it makes no sense to insist (Thomas.W)--79.35.108.101 (talk) 01:05, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Personal biasness shown by Cyphoidbomb

I had a talk page disscussion over article balouchistan Pakistan where my position was oposite from User Cyphoidbomb. All ended with a concensus. After that for another article Baluchistan I am here on DRN against User Cyphoidbomb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Balochistan.23Recent_changes, but with out being relevant to another article's (Khyber Paktunkhwa) dispute (between me and User Jasimkhanum 10 on maintaning pre dispute version of article), Cyphoidbomb started persanol revenge game. 1. He misrepresented me on ANI read https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FEdit_warring&type=revision&diff=675320060&oldid=675310006 2. He deleted pre dispute version of Khyber Pakhtunkha and took Jasimkhanum 10 side and voilated WP principle that in case of dispute a pre dispute version will be maintaned. Zmaghndstakun (talk) 03:34, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Zmaghndstakun: Quite what you're trying to achieve by posting the same message on multiple user talk pages isn't clear. If you have a complaint about Cyphoidbomb then file it at the appropriate noticeboard — but beware of the boomerang. Thanks.  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Phil. As you have already noted, Zmaghndstakun is forum-shopping. And why is he posting here? Thomas.W is the person who reported him to AN3. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:09, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: I have no idea, but it's borderline disruptive and needs to stop.  Philg88 ^♦talk 06:19, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Many people on Wikipedia think that Thomas is an admin. Even, when I was new I used to think that Thomas is admin. --Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  07:09, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

None of your business

It doesnt concerns you so leave me alone. Johnco21 (talk) 22:00, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

• Wrong, people who vandalise Wikipedia by deliberately introducing false information are my business. Thomas.W ^talk 22:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

The CMO Survey

Hi Thomas W. I see that your name appears on the mainspace of the article The CMO Survey, I don't understand the full content of the article so I don't know if it alludes to you or to some other person with your coincidental user name, thanx. Jexter 2000 (talk) 19:24, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

• I have nothing to with neither the article nor the survey, and can't see my name there, so I guess you were just trying to draw my attention to it. Thomas.W ^talk 19:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes it does give your name. Look closely. Burjeremonz (talk) 19:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

It did, but it no longer does. Thomas.W ^talk 19:35, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Personal attack

Hi there - it seems your account/userspace might be under a personal attack. I'm sure you're aware of this. Samuel Tarling (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

• Yes, I am, but dealing with my own userspace doesn't have top priority, there are other things that need to be done first. Thomas.W ^talk 20:03, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

@Thomas.W: understood - just thought I would make you aware of it as it was flagging up on New Pages. Happy editing Samuel Tarling (talk) 20:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

@Samtar: When there's an attack always get the vandal blocked first, then start the clean up. Otherwise they'll be one step ahead of you all the time, no matter how hard you work. Thomas.W ^talk 20:08, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Userpage

Hey have you read this? [7] What an unfair accusation. I am a poet by profession and I cannot believe the deranged minds of some people, they look for any excuse for a scandal or a gossip. I simply write poems and here is looks as if something was intended subliminally except it wasn't. Martin Cold Mans (talk) 19:17, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

• @Martin Cold Mans: C'mon, Evlekis, don't you have anything better to do than this? It's Friday evening and I'm having a cup of tea and a sip of Laphroaig, so don't throw a tantrum like you did yesterday. Thomas.W ^talk 19:29, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Edits of TheIraqiArab

Hello, Thomas. I saw that, for several times, you reverted edits of TheIraqiArab (talk · contribs) on articles like Iraqi Armed Forces, Iraqi Army, etc for adding some "fantasy numbers" into them. Of course, I agree with you, I've reverted him on several articles too - Iraqi Army, as well as at Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party – Syria Region, Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party – Iraq Region, etc. Today, I saw that he's also using an IP address - [8]... I find his edits quite problematic, and I just wanted to inform you that his edit pattern is continuing as yesterday. --Sundostund (talk) 14:10, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Avicii not notable enough to be in the infobox

I totally agree. But I'm not so sure about the IP's original addition, which they immediately overwrote with Avicii: the Zlatinator. Mind you, I don't have any strong views on the portrait gallery altogether, and I certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for reanimating those "Loreen not a real Swede" idjits, so no talkpage posting for me. Bishonen | talk 16:25, 21 August 2015 (UTC).

I reverted the IP not only for bringning forth names that I don't feel are notable enough, but also because my grandmother used to say that being 13 around the dinner table brings bad luck. Having 13 images in the infobox also doesn't look good. Thomas.W ^talk 17:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi!

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indian_cities#Tourism.2Flandmarks.2Fplaces_of_interest. Thanks. --Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  00:45, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Hindi

Anything against Hindi ? I do not see you active in Spanish or other language pages!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PradeepBoston (talk • contribs) 19:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

• @PradeepBoston: There's no need for it there. Hindi being spoken by immigrants in foreign countries doesn't count as Hindi being a minority language there. Every country in Europe, for example, has immigrants speaking a hundred different languages, without any of those languages counting as minority languages there. Thomas.W ^talk 20:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

hi

plzz change . abkhazians have 12- su-27 and 5 su-25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazian_Air_Force — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.43.226.251 (talk) 19:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

• You need to provide a reliable source for it, before making such changes. Thomas.W ^talk 20:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/su27/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.43.226.251 (talk • contribs)

• That's not a reliable source ("This site's content is compiled from many sources often containing conflicting information, so there may be inaccuracies in the data provided. The content of this site is provided "AS IS" without any warranties of accuracy, completeness, currentness, noninfringement, merchantability, or fitness for any purpose", from the web site's disclaimer page). Thomas.W ^talk 20:28, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Jon Lucas (actor)

Why did you remove my edit for Jon Lucas. I am one of his close friends so I should know. More than you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.144.224.136 (talk) 19:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

• So you claim. But anyone can claim anything, so without references you're not getting anything into the article. Thomas.W ^talk 19:55, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Luleå's population

The city (which is not a politcal entity) has only about 46,000 inhabitants. 75,921 is the total population of the whole municipality including 17 more localities and vast rural areas. Do not mix it up! Thats the "system" in Sweden! --Muniswede (talk) 22:03, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I know, but a municipality/kommun is the lowest level of administration in Sweden, since "tätort" is just statistics used for planning (most municipalities/kommuner have more than one "tätort", but there are also "tätorter" that span two or more municipalities/kommuner). The figure for the municipality as a whole is properly sourced, but the figure for the "tätort" alone that you added isn't sourced at all, so unless you provide a reference for it, it will be removed. Thomas.W ^talk 22:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

The population figures for municipalities of Sweden should be in the separate articles about each municipality, like Luleå Municipality, not in the articles about their seats. Localities (tätort) and municipalities (kommun) should not be mixed up. --Muniswede (talk) 22:47, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Country F.Y.R.O.M.

This country ye say F.Y.R.O.M. do not ye say Macedonia. Macedonia ye say geography apatmernt in Greece. Thanks for the undestanding. Γιουγκοσλαβια (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

@Γιουγκοσλαβια: Don't thank me for "my understanding" because I don't support your view at all. Virtually all countries in the world know it as the Republic of Macedonia, one of the few exceptions being Greece. And since this is the English language Wikipedia, not Greece, continued attempts to replace every mention of Macedonia with a Greek POV version of the name will get you into trouble. Thomas.W ^talk 17:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Insist on the truth to it is said — Preceding unsigned comment added by Γιουγκοσλαβια (talk • contribs) 17:24, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

And that is exactly what I'm doing, insisting on the truth, not Greek POV. Thomas.W ^talk 17:44, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Just undid your revert

Thomas, per Wikipedia:CheckUser#CheckUser_and_privacy_policy Cu's can't connect an IP to a named account, nor can non-CU's. The IP address has to stay out per the privacy policy, sorry. KoshVorlon We are all Kosh 16:58, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

False. Non-Cus may certainly make connections...we do it all the time. You may pose this as a precautionary question and ask at ANI for more clarity if you wish. No CU has done anything wrong here.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 17:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Completely agree with Berean Hunter. Furthermore, CU's can announce they've blocked/warned a mixture of named accounts and IPs without explicitly saying IP belongs to user X. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:25, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

@KoshVorlon: Seems I'm late to the party, but I reverted the edit for the exact reasons that have been given above. Lists of IPs and named accounts, with or without implied connections between them, are posted on WP:ANI every day, and do not violate any rules. Thomas.W ^talk 17:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Nalanda

Hi, I accept your second argument that old Nalanda University longer exists and can not be in the list of "continually operating oldest universities in the world" list. But I need to inquire little more about the first one. Thirdly, I mentioned that link (of current Nalanda University, established in 2014) to site the source of information (mentioning old Nalanda as an university and its date of establishment) I got from and not to link those two universities, which are surely non-related. Thanks, Jay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay62728 (talk • contribs)

Hello. I know that the brand new Nalanda University are trying to portray old Nalanda as a university (and themselves as a continuation of that school), but it doesn't fit the mainstream definition of university, no more than any other old schools do. And if we were to extend the definition of university there are also many other candidates for the title "first university in the world", such as Greek schools during antiquity, schools that would predate Nalanda by a few hundred years or more... Thomas.W ^talk 18:05, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Skåneländsk Samling

There's actually a thing called "Skåneländsk Samling"? And spelled just like that? You're kidding me. No… no… I did look up your links, I see you're not making it up. It's still really hard to believe. I'm bemused. Why are all the other, ordinary, regions free from the flaring Skånsk nuttery, or is it just that I've never noticed it anywhere else?

Hmm. All of 27 members. Shouldn't they have a Wikipedia article? My god, they do have one! On sv.wiki! Well, if I hadn't long since given up trying to reason with… hmmm. Never mind, forgot what I was going to say. Just, my interest in sv.wiki is limited. I think I'll just ping Peter Isotalo, all the same. Bishonen | talk 15:11, 2 September 2015 (UTC).

@Bishonen: Yes, they really do exist, they "för en tynande tillvaro", though, getting no more votes in the election in 2002, the only election that they AFAIK have tried their luck in, than the number of members in their own organisation (even Kalle Anka-partiet got more votes than they did...). Skånepartiet is very mainstream compared to Skåneländsk Samling, showing how far off the scale from sane to nutty they are. Thomas.W ^talk 15:36, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Skåne breeds a unique type of regionalist nonsense, apparently. If I was still active on sv.wiki I'd AfD the article. The only source is a link to their charters. Obvious trams.

Peter ^Isotalo 12:43, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Your reversal on Summer vacation

Answering your message:

Hello. I have reverted your edit, just like others have previously done, since time off during other times of the year has nothing to do with summer vacation, which is what this article is about. So don't add it again. Thank you. Thomas.W ^talk 18:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Why then do I read this about the US?

Students also receive several days off in November for Thanksgiving, two weeks off for Christmas and New Year's, and one or two weeks in March or April for spring break. In some rare schools, students also get a week off in February for President's Day, and a week off in October for fall break (usually the week of Columbus Day).

78.22.110.19 (talk) 17:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I've removed it now, so it's no longer there... Thomas.W ^talk 17:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Goa

You have been falsely claiming and messing up with knowledge contributions.Please avoid such behaviors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indian Historian Ramshankar (talk • contribs)

Prof. Ramshankar

• The text you added on Goa is a copyright violation, just like the text you have previously added there (and have been warned for). Thomas.W ^talk 13:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

No its not, check the history of that text on wikipedia. YOu are from the INdian navy and have been messing the facts of GOa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indian Historian Ramshankar (talk • contribs)

• ?????? Thomas.W ^talk 13:13, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Articles about India

If you have a problem with my edits, take it to WP:ANI and I will also tell them about your editwarring on the false pretext of vandalism when you know I am not vandalizing. Chewers Meat (talk) 21:41, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Spam links

Since you seem to track spam links effectively can you take a look at glamsham.com inserted by Vinitmehta3. I'm guessing it'd have to be added to the blacklist. —SpacemanSpiff 11:56, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

• @SpacemanSpiff: There are currently just over 800 links to that site on pages here on en-WP. If you click on the link you'll get a list of every single one of those links and which page it's on. Thomas.W ^talk 12:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

This user has been creating that article and adding links to the site as refs, so I assumed it was a small thing. This is worse then. I'll take a look later and see if the rest are ok. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 13:48, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

disruptive, poor faith edits on Lexus RX

Your recent edits on the Lexus RX, not the one's back from December 2013 were seemingly disruptive and in poor faith of previous editor's contributions, FYI I will be taking this up when I get some free time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoojaboard (talk • contribs) 01:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

• That's just a load of you-know-what. You have been opposed/reverted by multiple editors, not just by me, so just drop it. Thomas.W ^talk 06:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

My edit in the Skellefteå article includes no fringe theory

Hi. I need to inform you that my edit which you reverted about an hour it the Skellefteå article includes no fringe theory. Please no not revert that well sourced and appropriate edit. Thank you. Åsa Gunilla (talk) 08:41, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

@Åsa Gunilla: Yes it is fringe. It's based on the very fringe theories of Kyösti Julku and others about an ancient Finnic "Kingdom of Kvenland", and about the original/native population in most of present day Sweden having been Finnish-speakers. Which is just a load of BS, not supported by documents of any kind, nor any kind of archaelogic evidence. Skellefteå has never been a Finnish-speaking area, and there are no ancient Finnish names for it, so it doesn't belong in the article. Both the material you add and your editing style make me believe that you're not a new editor, just the latest incarnation of an editor who has previously posted similar material on a number of other articles. An editor who was blocked indefinitely for their activities (which included the use of sock puppets to push their view). Thomas.W ^talk 09:01, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not banned from anywhere. This article has for long been tagged with the "needs additional citations" sign. Now perfectly fine additional citations are provided. A known linguist was included in the sources which you deleted twice. All other sources used are also widely accepted as reliable and appropriate sources in Wikipedia, and so is all the information presented. The information does not have to satisfy your or my personal views. If some study published after Vilkuna's study contradicts his teaching, please present it, along with an exact quote and a source. If such study exists, perhaps we can include that one too.

Discoveries of ancient items were added, including a medieval hat found in Skellefteå, not a type the Sami are known to have worn.. Yet, it is not our job to list such details, but just the findings or hypotheses of well known and widely accepted experts. Vilkuna is one such expert. The linguist, historian and professor of ethnology Kustaa Vilkuna (1902–1980) has specialized in the history, language and ancient place names of Norrland. Being a highly regarded expert on this subject, Vilkuna was made the professor of ethnology at University of Helsinki, to teach this topic, among other things.

Historians have widely presented all along, that the old Finnish name for Skellefteå is Heletti. Accoding to Vilkuna, in the 16th century the river Skellefteå marked the border, south of where was inhabited by primarily Swedish-speaking people, knows as the Hälsinglanders. The region to the north of the river was still at that point inhabited by people who spoke Finnish and/or the Finno-Ugric Sami languages. Åsa Gunilla (talk) 21:33, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

The article needs additional citations, not fringe theories. Basing your claim that the area was inhabited by Finns on a hat is just plain silly, since if we apply that "logic", or rather lack of it, to everything else that has been found in Sweden much of central Sweden could just as rightfully be claimed to have been inhabited by Arabs, based on the large numbers of 9th through 12th century coins with Arabic text on that have been found there. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a fan forum, so we need academic sources, and plenty of them, and archaeological evidence much more substantial than a mediaeval hat found somewhere, before you can add your fringe theories to any article here. Thomas.W ^talk 21:45, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

That was just to prove you wrong about there not being "any kind of archaeological evidence", or "no ancient Finnish names for it". Evidence requested, evidence provided. There's much more available. A large amount of little pieces of evidence, like the ancient skis and hat, has led researchers to come to the conclusions they have. However, it is not any Wikipedia editor's duty to try to make you understand what has lead each researcher to their conclusions. Åsa Gunilla (talk) 01:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Neither the hat nor the "references" you provided support the claims you make. Your edits violate WP:OR, WP:FRINGE and WP:RS, so stop. Thomas.W ^talk 08:57, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Please note that prior to my establishing this Wikipedia user account Åsa Gunilla, a single edit was made by me in Wikipedia as Annika Dlb. There is no "sock-puppeting" involved, and the two accounts have not been used for editing the same article in Wikipedia.

Frivolous 3RR-warning removed.

Your repeated edits violate WP:OR, WP:FRINGE and WP:RS. Åsa Gunilla (talk) 13:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Åsa Gunilla:

A) Your editing clearly shows that you're not a new editor, in spite of your repeated claims. As I intend to prove in a sock puppet investigation. Digging through edits on multiple articles all the way back to 2013, and possibly even earlier, takes a bit of time, though.

B) The fringe material on Skellefteå should have been removed much earlier, but I didn't see it until a totally different matter brought me there. And having been in the article for a long time is no reason to keep obviously fringe OR/SYNTH material in articles, such material should always be removed at sight. Just as I did. Thomas.W ^talk 13:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

PS. I now have material enough to prove that you have been around, using multiple user accounts to add the same and similar fringe material to multiple articles, at least since 2012... Thomas.W ^talk 13:41, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Please do not lie to Wikipedia administrators. Please do not edit my comments made to you. I have not made "repeated claims" that I am a "new editor" in Wikipedia. I have never made such a claim. I have edited Wikipedia prior to this, just not actively. I only stated to you: "I'm not banned from anywhere." I have never pushed any "fringe material" anywhere. Åsa Gunilla (talk) 15:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Åsa Gunilla: I'm not lying to anyone, and I'm free to remove whatever I want from my talk page, including your repeated frivolous 3RR-warnings. I can now prove that you've been around since at least 2011, BTW, making tendentious edits using a considerable number of throw-away accounts to evade scrutiny, which by itself is a violation of Wikipedia's policies. Thomas.W ^talk 15:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

• The editor has now been blocked for abusing multiple accounts... Thomas.W ^talk 20:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

References

Help

Hi, one user named Mukhaiyar has inserted non-official language name in infoboxes of many cities. Can you help me to revert those changes? --Human3015^TALK  16:11, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Human3015: I can't read the scripts used (other than seeing that it looks like text in Marathi and Nastaliq) and thus can't check what the editor is adding, so I suggest you find someone else to help you. Thomas.W ^talk 17:09, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Just an fyi Thomas, this addition of scripts shouldn't be done per WP:INDICSCRIPT irrespective of the validity of the spelling etc, though there's an unwritten exception to allow the official script in infoboxes of geographic locations. —SpacemanSpiff 19:11, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
    • The edits I looked at added native name(s) in Indic script in the infobox, not in the lead of the article. Thomas.W ^talk 19:17, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
      • Problem here is that he's been adding non-native :) That's the entire issue here, we keep getting all and sundry scripts in these articles (I removed Bengali from Delhi earlier today), but it's a real pain and waste of time handling this at multiple articles, best left for an AWB run I think. And although the RfC started to cover the lead it ended up defining the whole article. The exceptions being e.g. Marathi for Maharashtra locations in infobox, Kannada for Karnataka locations in infobox and so on. —SpacemanSpiff 19:21, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
        • That's why I said I couldn't help Human3015, I wouldn't be able to tell if what had been added was correct or not. Thomas.W ^talk 19:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
          • Oh, I wasn't asking you to reconsider, just alerting you to the RfC since you work a lot on the India geo articles. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 19:27, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
            • Even I can't read Urdu script properly, but as it was written on place of name so we can know that it is city name written in Urdu script, but as per tradition we use only official language in infobox native name. You usually work on language related stuff on Cities thats why I was asking you because number of city pages edited by that editor is high. I have still not reverted his changes. Because it is viral attack on my PC and it is working very very slowly. Thats why I was asking your help. --Human3015^TALK  15:30, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Oldest University in the World

Hello Thomas,

I've received your "warning" about my recent edits on the topic of the world's oldest universities. It turns out that historical and academic facts are not your primary concern. Instead you're only interested in spreading Eurocentric propaganda, sadly for you that is not the purpose of Wikipedia. We are interested in true world facts that have been confirmed by historians and NGO's (UNESCO). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musteizer (talk • contribs) 17:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@Musteizer: Don't be silly. "University" isn't a generic name for schools of higher/advanced learning but a name for a specific type of such school, the first of which was the University of Bologna. If we widen the definition to include madrasahs, such as the school you're trying to add, and similar schools we would also have to include a lot of other schools, including still existing Christian cathedral schools that are older than the school you try to add, so "your" school wouldn't be the oldest even then. Thomas.W ^talk 17:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Mega cities

you fool Thomas w.u are the one who are mis leading people, I donoe you are from which country but i'm from INDIA . and each nd every INDIAN knows MUMBAI is the most populous city in india and not Delhi. and Bangalore is the third most populous city in india. if u hav any doubt you can check it in Wikipedia itself. nad atlast you r the one who is not allowing ppl to giv them correct information — Preceding unsigned comment added by SUHAS JAYANNA (talk • contribs)

• You're repeatedly changing the names in the list, without providing any sources or doing anything else, which is just plain disruptive, and vandalism. So stop. Thomas.W ^talk 17:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Swedish Finns

Can you specify which people in my most recent version cannot be included? --130.126.255.199 (talk) 03:33, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

• Sven-Göran Eriksson is of Forest Finn ancestry, while Charlotte Kalla and Mikael Niemi are of Tornedalian ancestry. Hans Särkijärvi is from Kiruna and thus most probably of Tornedalian ancestry. The only information I can find about Alicia Vikander is that she's of one quarter Finnish ancestry and that one of her parents is from a small village in northern Sweden and one from a small village in southern Sweden, which could mean that she's either one quarter Tornedalian or one quarter Swedish Finn, so you'd need a source for that. Forest Finns migrated to Sweden proper from then Swedish Finland 400 years ago and are fully assimilated (i.e haven't spoken Finnish for several generations and don't see themselves as Finns), and Tornedalians are Finnish speakers who have lived in the same area they live now since before the border between what is now Sweden and what is now Finland was more or less arbitrarily drawn in 1809, and thus aren't migrants at all, which is why there's a separate article about Swedish Finns, i.e. post World War II immigrants from Finland (of which about a quarter or so are from the Finland-Swedish minority in Finland and thus spoke Swedish as their first language/mother tongue even before migrating to Sweden). So to play safe you should only choose people who self-identify as being of recent Finnish ancestry when picking images for the gallery in the article, and not go by what Category:Swedish people of Finnish descent says. Thomas.W ^talk 09:49, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Well I only added Eriksson and Vikander, the other three were there to begin with and still are. Mind if I just remove and (to keep it even) Tensta because he seems to be 1/4th unknown Finnish at most and Puma Swede because it's stupid to have a porn star? --130.126.255.199 (talk) 15:11, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to add and remove people as long as they're notable (= have an article here) and are within the scope of the article. And please remove the three that were there but shouldn't have been. Thomas.W ^talk 15:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Trolls

Thanks for spotting the sockpuppeting editor! However, it's generally considered not to be a good idea to taunt trolls, even if they are really annoying; perversely, it doesn't drive them away, instead the attention usually encourages them, as trolling is generally an attention-seeking behavior. The best response to trolls is relentless, boring, polite, impersonal shuting-down and denial of attention, sometimes with software-aided intervention for the most persistent cases. If they're giving you a hard time, please bring this to the attention of administrators at WP:AN/I, and they can take over on enforcement. -- The Anome (talk) 19:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

@The Anome: Evlekis isn't giving me a hard time, even though he thinks so himself, and does his best to annoy me. If you check the page history of my talk page you'll find that it has been hit by five Evlekis socks tonight alone, and it's the fourth day in a row now that he's been doing that, and he has also created numerous now deleted attack pages targeting me (he's probably one of the most prolific sockers and trollers on en-WP ever). Four of tonight's socks were blocked by admins who watch my talk page and saw the socks post here (the sixth one tonight was found by me before he had a chance to use it), so it's an excellent honeypot (see the image at the top of the page), and the minor taunting was intended to keep his focus on me, because attacking me is less damaging to the encyclopaedia than his usual activities, creating hoax articles and trolling WP:ANI and other boards, are. Thomas.W ^talk 19:28, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'm glad you're not bothered by this, and I'll leave you to let them waste their time on futile attempts to annoy you. If you need any help, I'm happy to help out, as will be other admins. -- The Anome (talk) 09:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Edits on Latin letters by Special:Contributions/Mark Recio

Hi, I'm just writing to inform you that the user whom you corrected and reverted on various articles about the letters of the Latin alphabet, as well as warned about edit warring, has been reported after numerous warnings for including a flood of unverifiable very subjectively "similar" characters in the lists. LjL (talk) 13:22, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Khowar language

you reverted my edit on khowar topic why??? I have really no idea why you are doing this First see properly the the article then talk with me dont revert my edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nisardrosh (talk • contribs) 15:49, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

• You can not remove maintenance templates and content as you please just because you don't like it, before maintenance templates are removed the problems must be fixed, which you didn't, and you gave no valid reasons for the changes you made or for the removal of content... Thomas.W ^talk 16:21, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Maharaja Sayajirao University of Baroda

I fail to understand as to what is the logic behind the comment 'those who want to see the list of alumni can visit the school website'. It that case, what is the need of even having a wiki page!? People can very well visit the University official websites and get whatever information they require.

Go to the Wiki pages of any of the premier institutions in the world, like say, Stanford University and you will find a section enlisting a large list of notable Alumni. And when you write something about an institution, there cannot be a dispute to the fact that alumni are the ones who build its image and they do require a mention.

As fas as the authenticity is concerned; the list could be verified with the University official websites and also the wiki pages of all the prominent people who are listed in the list of notable alumni.

Hope it clears the point. Thanks Preyas252000 (talk) 21:40, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

• @Preyas252000: Having truly notable alumni, such as Nobel prize winners or similar, or other people who are truly "world famous", in articles about universities is, IMHO, okay, but having long lists of people with only limited/local notability, such as cricketers, actresses/models, local politicians etc, isn't. Wikipedia is an international encyclopaedia for English-speakers all over the world, not a localised Wikipedia only for India. And yes, that's how I feel about this regardless of which country the university is in, so it has nothing to do with the university being Indian. Thomas.W ^talk 21:53, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

@Thomas.W: I understand that Wikipedia is An encyclopaedia for all the people in the world. But do all the people know about all the Universities in the world? Or do they even apply in all Universities? See, there are some people who might not be known in the world; but they are real heroes as far as the region is concerned. Take for instance, Dadasaheb Phalke. Only a section of the world would know who this great man was but come to India and you will see that everyone knows that he is the Father of Indian Cinema. Similarly, sitting here in India; i do not even know people in different countries but they might have made a real contribution to their region which should not be diminished. Majority of students who apply to the University are locals and for them, knowing that they would be studying in the University which has produced these people might be a great thing; as those people really matter to them; if not the whole world. I feel that the Page should be edited and written in a way that the real readers should benefit from it. :) P.S. I am sure the people in the list aren't that unknown as it seems to you - they all have their wiki pages which mention that they have made significant contributions in their respective fields.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Preyas252000 (talk • contribs)

(edit conflict)@Preyas252000: You seem to have misunderstood what Wikipedia is. It's an encyclopaedia, not Facebook or a collection of local bulletin boards. And I'd like to believe that young men and women look at things that really matter when deciding what university to go to, such as international/national ranking, the quality of education within the field of study that interests them, etc., and not what university a "father of local cinema", a cricketer or a model has gone to. I know I did... Thomas.W ^talk 22:25, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

If, as claimed, those people have their own Wikipedia articles, the it makes all the sense in the world, IMHO, to list them as alumni (if they provably were, obviously). If they are not really notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles then that should be addressed in the first place. LjL (talk) 22:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

SPI Template Removal

This is just a waste of time...
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
How does this case not have behavioral evidence? Have you looked into the SPI case? Ping upon reply. --JustBerry (talk) 16:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC) @JustBerry: Read my comment at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Najaf ali bhayo. Thomas.W talk 16:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC) Ah okay. See my reply there. --JustBerry (talk) 16:11, 5 October 2015 (UTC) Your comment "as I do" may not have intended to express what you wanted to say; it appears to suggest a trend of only looking at one diff across multiple cases, which is not the case, not to mention the case above isn't only looking at one diff. --JustBerry (talk) 16:32, 5 October 2015 (UTC) You brought up one single edit, one diff, as evidence for the user being a sock, and if one looks at only that single edit it may seem so, but looking at the rest of the edits the user made makes such a connection unlikely. And you have to look at the sum total of it. Is that clear enough? Thomas.W talk 16:44, 5 October 2015 (UTC) My point in action here is that it's not only about one diff. Please refer back to the SPI comments. --JustBerry (talk) 23:41, 6 October 2015 (UTC) I saw your comment on Bbb23's talk page. To clarify, there is no issue with you providing additional evidence or insight into why you think the suspected sock may not be related to the master sock. Also, I have no issues with your removal of the SPI tag from the suspected sock's user page. Losing your patience is not the answer. The statement from your initial comment on the case "I have a good idea about who to pair Sher Afzal Karim with, and will do so in due course, but am in no real hurry to do so since he's blocked" seemed ambiguous, perhaps informing others which SPI case you're planning to create may be more helpful. If you have an idea who the pair it with, you're more than welcome to do so; however, referring to someone else with the comment "he obviously can't understand even simple things" is both disparaging and shows very poor conduct on your part. Not everyone knows what you know; if you know something additional, you're free to add it with supporting diffs and even make a new SPI case. --JustBerry (talk) 11:52, 7 October 2015 (UTC) Not to pile on here, but please see the SPI case - the suspected sock I had listed is now confirmed under the sock master. In the future, please be more clear about your suspicions. If you wish, it might be useful to file a case of the sock master you had suspected under this sock master to merge the cases, if necessary. --JustBerry (talk) 16:46, 10 October 2015 (UTC) @JustBerry: <sigh> I knew you'd post something like that. Sher Afzal Karim is not CU-confirmed as a sock (quote: "To be clear, I did not run a CU against Sher Afzal Karim, then or now"), but since they do similar things on the same articles it doesn't really matter what master they're blocked under, as long as they're blocked, so having the user blocked under Najaf instead of in a separate SPI saves work. Both now and in the future. Which is why I haven't filed a separate SPI. So why don't you just drop the stick? Thomas.W talk 18:00, 10 October 2015 (UTC) I'm sorry if my wording was unclear, but Sher Afzal Karim is confirmed as a sock of Najaf. That's why the account was in the confirmed list. Parsing my comments, I did not run a CU then. That's absolutely accurate. I did not run a CU now. I suppose you could say that's only partially accurate. I ran a check against the two accounts listed. In the course of doing any check, sometimes other accounts appear that are related but which you weren't looking for. That's what happened here, not just with Sher Afzal Karim, but with the other as well. I hope that clears up any confusion. I have a question, though, about Thomas.W's comment below ("I just told you both") - one of both is JustBerry, I assume - who's the other? Just curious, not important.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:52, 10 October 2015 (UTC) @Bbb23: Both refers to what comes after, i.e. not filing a separate report and having said why, not two people, but I guess I could have phrased that better. Based on behavioural evidence I'm still not convinced Sher is the same person as Najaf, though, just someone locating to the same area, just as I said on the SPI. Not that it matters though, as long as they get blocked. Thomas.W talk 19:05, 10 October 2015 (UTC) As to behavioral evidence, you're probably more familiar with it than I am. As to confirmed, though, it is never based solely on location. The technical data confirming the account was compelling. That said, as you know,  CheckUser is not magic pixie dust.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:23, 10 October 2015 (UTC) All I'm saying is that you might want to consider merging the SPI case you had in mind with this SPI case, since, as you had aforementioned, it doesn't matter. I'm just having a discussion; it has nothing to do with WP:Drop the stick, and this isn't about who was right or wrong, per-say, either. --JustBerry (talk) 18:02, 10 October 2015 (UTC) ??? I just told you both that I'm not filing a separate SPI, and why I'm not doing it... Thomas.W talk 18:04, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Possible Najaf ali bhayo sock

Could you please take a look at this? Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: Sorry for the late answer, but yes, I've seen it. A number of other IPs in the same range have also made similar edits, so I'll prepare a report for SPI, with Sher Afzal Karim (talk · contribs · count) as suspected master. Thomas.W ^talk 12:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

SPI clerks

You should sign up.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

French language edit reversion

Imho, edit under question (adding data about foreign language speakers amount) do represent a knowledge bias. (having more encyclopaedic data on more famous topics). But i do not see anything against knowledge bias in guidelines, so i feel it should be accepted.--Trurle (talk) 01:44, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

• @Trurle: We only add data for the number of L1 and L2 speakers (as you have now been told by multiple editors), not for "partial speakers" since there's no common definition of "partial speaker". Is knowing a few simple phrases enough? If so then I'm a "partial speaker" of about a dozen languages... Thomas.W ^talk 07:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) How's your Klingon? Bishonen | talk 10:11, 16 October 2015 (UTC).

I'm only interested in real languages, not made-up/fantasy ones, so I know absolutely nothing about Klingon, but I can read virtually all Germanic languages and most Romance languages with little difficulty, and a couple of other languages with varying degrees of difficulty. Which is very useful here on en-WP since lots of editors try to add fake references in foreign languages... Thomas.W ^talk 10:30, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Sock?

suspected sock of who? Bishonen | talk 09:41, 16 October 2015 (UTC).

@Bishonen: Probably LanguageXpert, all I know so far is that it isn't Najaf ali bhayo (in spite of an edit where he restored a reverted edit made by a confirmed Najaf sock...). I just reverted two edits by him on your talk page, BTW, edits where he forged my signature. Thomas.W ^talk 09:46, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Sure. Vi gick om varandra, see my page. He didn't exactly forge your signature... he more forged his own, under your post. Very odd. Bishonen | talk 09:55, 16 October 2015 (UTC).

As I mentioned earlier...

...here's how the Jats ruled Jutland, do see the map etc, makes for a fun read, with Odin Singh and all (I'm not making this shit up). —SpacemanSpiff 19:38, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Sheeesh, that's among the weirdest shite I've seen. Do people really honestly believe stuff like that? Thomas.W ^talk 19:47, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Bishonen's the expert on this now as she actively patrols this space, so she may be able to elaborate on beliefs. You should look at the AfD, the article happened to be found because one Norwegian user saw the map being used and decided to come across to en.wiki and get it deleted. —SpacemanSpiff 20:08, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

A friend of yours?

[9]? Looked like LX to me...but figured I'd let you do the analysis of multiple unprotection requests. —SpacemanSpiff 16:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

@SpacemanSpiff: Yes, definitely a "friend" of mine, but not LX (check history of Template:Kho people, now created as Template:Kho Peoples by this one in order to evade scrutiny...). He's quacking loud and clear and will soon be added to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Najaf ali bhayo. Thomas.W ^talk 16:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Ah right, quacking out loud now. I thought the name choice was a bit different from NAB and seemed more like one that LX would employ, but the edits are definitely NAB. —SpacemanSpiff 16:58, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

French locutors.

Hi, I saw that there is a conflict about the number of French speakers. I wrote about this issue on the talk page. I don't understand why there is only the number of L2 speakers, whereas in all the others articles of languages in WP the number of foreign language is stated | german, | english. And furthermore, in the source, the number of foreign speakers is about 120 millions, 77 millions being for Europe only "French is Europe’s second most widely spoken mother tongue with over 77 million speakers, after Germany (around 100 million) but ahead of English (around 61 million)". "French is thus the second most widely learned foreign language in the world, with almost 120 million students and 500,000 teachers" (source France diplomacy). There is obviously a problem and a difference in the treatment of the information between this article and others. Maybe we should ask an adm to resolve this issue.--Gabriel HM (talk) 21:39, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Gabriel HM: Every article stands on its own, so it doesn't matter what other articles say. The vast majority of all language articles on en-WP include only L1 and L2 speakers, for the simple reason that there is no common definition for anything else. How proficient does one have to be to be included among "partial speakers"? Is knowing a few simple phrases enough? What definition was used when compiling the data in the reference added? And, last but not least, does it really matter how many "partial speakers" there are? Other than for national pride, that is, but Wikipedia isn't here to boost peoples' national pride, but to provide encyclopaedic information (and please note that being sourced isn't reason enough, by itself, to include something...).Thomas.W ^talk 21:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry every article stands on common rules edicted by WP, and you are not the one that decides whereas we put or not the number of foreign language. And for the record this is a very precise conception that foreign language. I am not talking about partial locutors. It is not a matter of "pride" but a matter of encyclopaedic information. This is more than pertinent about a language article. You do not have the prerogative to choose to silence this info. --Gabriel HM (talk) 22:02, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Gabriel HM: Why pick on me? It has been reverted by several different editors, over a very long period of time, so it's one or two editors (I'm absolutely certain that it's a registered user who is hiding behind the IPs) who repeatedly add the material while several other editors remove it. Disruption that, in fact, is the main reason why the article has been protected for months now, as can be seen in the page history... Thomas.W ^talk 22:13, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

You are the last person that kept reverting, I have nothing against you. I just feel that the article is not fair, nor accurate about the amount of locutors. I've explained this issue on the talk page too. There is a problem between the widely accepted number of 280 millions of speakers and the number on the WP article, where the infobox states 80 plus 70 millions. And on the other hand, there are articles about others languages where contributors are multiplying the flags by manipulating the sources. Ex put Slovakia because in two municipalities of 150 peoples each, 20 people total have the right to intervene in a foreign language during the council. But to get back to the subject, the number of foreign speakers is a tangible notion. I agree that L2 speakers is very vague and can be misleading. But you have to agree that between 280 millions speakers and 80 millions there something in between.--Gabriel HM (talk) 22:36, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

HINDI

HINDI is spoken by 1200 million people across the globe. I have cited authentic source. Hindi is largest spoken language in the world. Unfortunately when hindi as language is considered for recognition the language spoken with different accents and with slight slangs are considered as separate language . However, these cannot be considered as sepa rate languages for example, Bhojpuri, Punjabi, Avadhi, Jat are all extended form of hindi.Nearly 1200 million people worldwide speak hindi as there primary language, be it Indian natives or immigrants of India to United States,U.K., Canada,Australia,Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and other country. Besides Fiji , Mauritius, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh,other Arabian countries are the countries where hindi is spoken largely. All these people if taken together will comprise more then 1400 million people speaking hindi. I quote source http://drjpnautiyal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Nautiyal-Research-Article-Final.pdf.. Moreover, Mandarin which is said to be largest spoken language in world is actually not spoken by all the chinese as they claim. Several parts in china comprises people speaking other languages then Mandarin. Hindi is therefore eligible to get status of largest spoken language in world. Why you are not accepting it. This true also, you may verify it with available sources with you. Please give recognition to the truth. --Rajatbindalbly (talk) 16:36, 18 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajatbindalbly (talk • contribs) 14:41, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

No, it's not. What you're repeatedly trying to add is pure fantasy, sourced only to a self-published "report" by a self-proclaimed "linguist", as you have been repeatedly told. So stop wasting everyone's time. Thomas.W ^talk 14:46, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

I quote authentic data according to census 2001 conducted by Government of India total speaker of hindi are 422 million . Kindly check http://www.censusindia.gov.in/Census_Data_2001/Census_Data_Online/Language/Statement1.aspx. Kindly give weightage to this data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajatbindalbly (talk • contribs) 15:31, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Then why do you repeatedly add a claim that Hindi is spoken as first language by 1.2 billion people? Are you claiming that everyone in India is speaking Hindi as their first language? If so I have a feeling that more than 800 million people in India strongly disagree with you... Thomas.W ^talk 15:40, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your nice question and primarily agreeing that Hindi is spoken by at least 422 million people according to census 2001 Govt. of India.This alone will put Hindi to second No. after Mandarin. Now reply to your question as why I am claiming that hindi is spoken by 1200 million people. The data on language for 2011 by Govt. of India is yet to be released. Moreover the census 2001 reports hindi as mother tongue reported by people. There are many states which do not have hindi as their mother tongue but hindi is frequently spoken by the immigrants from the hindi belt to those states. The native of those states also speak hindi as contact language. For example in Maharashtra their native language is Marathi but all over Maharashtra you will find that hindi is spoken widely. This is true with other states as J and K, Gujrat, Punjab, Haryana, Goa, Karnataka etc. Here I would like to add that millions of people from India have migrated to various other countries such as United States, U.K. Saudi Arabia, Australia, Newzeland, Canada, etc. They use to speak in hindi as their mother tongue. This data is not taken care of. Further the erstwhile Indian territory such as Pakistan and Bangladesh do have majority of hindi speeking people. Nepal is a country where 100% people speak hindi. The effect of Hindi films is penetrating in to non hindi areas of India such as Tamilnadu, Kerala, Andhra Pradesh to such an extent that people frequently sings hindi songs and qoutes dialogues from hindi films. This counting also cannot be ignored. Please look in to this fact or if you do not agree, kindly give hindi a second status as 422 million people speaking it. --Rajatbindalbly (talk) 16:36, 18 October 2015 (UTC)--Rajatbindalbly (talk) 16:36, 18 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajatbindalbly (talk • contribs) 15:56, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

No, I do not agree that Hindi is spoken by 422 million people, since reliable sources only support 190 million (which is also what Hindi says), so don't try to twist my words into support for you. What you have been repeatedly adding is a claim that 1.2 billion people around the world speak Hindi, which is utter bollocks, supported only by original research by a non-linguist. And that is what this discussion is about. Thomas.W ^talk 16:04, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Sir, You are not giving weightage to the official Census data of 2001 by Government of India!! Utter surpise!! What source of data will make you convinced? The language used by you is also defaming. Or should we consider that wikipedia is not an authentic source of information and is published by people to misguide the world for their own thoughts supported by some misgivings and lack of information. --Rajatbindalbly (talk) 16:36, 18 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajatbindalbly (talk • contribs) 16:15, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, where all article content must be supported by reliable sources, not a place for hobbyists to publish home-made wild theories about things. Meaning that you will not get your claim into Hindi or any other article. Period. So stop trying. Thomas.W ^talk 16:23, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Sir, My question is not replied. If you dont believe the source of data from 2011 census of Govt. of India , wihich is certainly not a homemade data or a hobbyists data then what source would you believe.People on wikipedia are frequently editing pages without any authentic data. I feel disgusted and take an impression that the data on wikipedia encyclopedia is not authentic and is written by people having the the thinking of colonial times claiming their supremacy to source of knowledge. And I end this discussion frustrated by your mean approach. --Rajatbindalbly (talk) 16:36, 18 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajatbindalbly (talk • contribs) 16:32, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The reason I didn't answer your latest question is that it has nothing to do with this discussion, it's just an attempt by you to change subject. Not getting your home-made theories into the article has nothing to do with "colonial thinking", it's all about your claim being based only on original research by a non-linguist. Thomas.W ^talk 16:50, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)The article is about Modern Standard Hindi which is the linguistic definition of Hindi; the census is for Hindustani languages which is the common usage of Hindi. This confusion would not arise if that article had been moved. —SpacemanSpiff 16:38, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Spaceman Spiff, Where from you drew the conclusion that the census report 422 million people speaking as hindi. It says very clearly that 422 million people speaks hindi. Hindi has different accents and slangs but it will not oust the basic feature of the language. If taken by your fundamentals then english is spoken only in Britain, America Only and that too English (U.K.) and English (U.S.) and so on. Even english will not have the status of 3rd largest spoken language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajatbindalbly (talk • contribs) 13:36, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Rajatbindalbly, you have apparently misread the census tables. The figure of 422M is for all languages for which some speakers use the name "Hindi". But that's not what we're interested in: we're concerned with the number of speakers of what linguists classify as Hindi. That's not the same thing: E.g. we count Awadhi as a separate language, yet Awadhi speakers are counted among the 422M. — kwami (talk) 18:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: This official Census 2001 link shows the number of people who in the 2001 census listed each of 49 different subvarieties of the "Hindustani" language group as their mother tongue, languages that were then clumped together to produce the 422M for "Hindi". As can be clearly seen there the number of people who listed "Hindi" as their mother tongue was no more than 257.9M. Thomas.W ^talk 19:27, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but even that number is not the number of Hindi speakers. They list Awadhi separately, for example, but most Awadhi speakers reported their language as "Hindi" and so were counted under Hindi rather than Awadhi. That's why all those languages are lumped together: only the total of 422M means anything, it's just not "Hindi" in the narrow sense.

I think we have different definitions of "Hindustani". To me, Hindustani is the official language of India and Pakistan: that is, Hindi in the narrow sense + Urdu. It doesn't include Rajasthani, Pahari or Bihari, which the Hindi in the census includes. — kwami (talk) 21:44, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: OK, I'll be more careful with what name I use. What name would you use for the entire group of Hindi-related languages? I.e. like Germanic languages is a name for the entire group of those languages. Thomas.W ^talk 21:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

There isn't one, really. I would probably say "the Hindi belt". Some people do use "Hindustani" the way you do, but they also use "Hindi" in the broadest sense of the Indian census. On WP, we've been restricting "Hindustani" to Urdu + the dialects covered by MSH (that is, what would have been "Hindi" in the census if all Awadhi etc. speakers reported their language to be Awadhi etc.). The equivalent to Germanic is Indic, but that includes languages that aren't considered Hindi. The problem is that "Hindi" in the broad sense has no linguistic definition, just a social one, and the social definition is fluid (i.e., any Indic lect that has no official standing). For example, Dogri was a dialect of "Hindi" until it got official status. — kwami (talk) 22:06, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Reliance Jio Infocomm Limited

Dear Thomas, I have made few changes in the summary of this page. Please have a look, and pardon me if it's inappropriate this time around even. Thanks. Nairspecht (talk) 07:16, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Knowledgeninja100

As best I can tell, an expert adding peer reviewed sources and related content to articles should hardly be considered spamming. The Wikipedia:Spam page seems to agree with my assessment. Can you be more specific about what is wrong with this approach and what needs to be changed to meet wikipedia's guidelines, or could you refer me to guidelines that reference your objection? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgeninja100 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

@Knowledgeninja100: What you did is known as "refspamming", adding material that doesn't add anything meaningful to the articles, only to be able to add the website you're plugging as a reference, and you did it on multiple pages in very varied subject areas, which is a typical sign of deliberate spamming. It's also the only thing you've done here, which is yet another sign of deliberate spamming. Thomas.W ^talk 15:29, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

When reading the page I linked to above, WP:Spam, please note this: "Although the specific links may be allowed under some circumstances, repeatedly adding links will in most cases result in all of them being removed". Thomas.W ^talk 15:39, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok, that is fair enough and your point is well taken. I value wikipedia a great deal and don't mean to cause trouble in how I'm going about engaging with pages I'm trying to improve. Making this dedicated account and being an active participant in the digital medium as a researcher is a a new and unfamiliar venture that I'm still trying to figure out how to do well. I'll check out the teahouse and try to get better at all this.

Just a quick question on sourcing. As a rule of thumb, would it be better to use a classic journal citation that doesn't include a url instead of what I've done? I don't really care about having a url to this website, whats important is providing access to the knowledge that happens to be hosted there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgeninja100 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

@Knowledgeninja100: Please see WP:Citing sources for how to write/code a citation, and WP:Reliable sources for what kind of sources we want. You'll find everything you need there. Thomas.W ^talk 19:13, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

About reverting my changes on N.T.RamaRao Jr page

The reason why i added charitable works in his page is it is one of the major aspects for his public presence. And i think we have to take note of every aspect for which he is popular. While many others who are not known for charitable works have it in their profile, how can we miss someone who has quite a huge number of followers for his generosity. Let me know in case of any further restrictions from your side. Sandeep

Time out

Hello, while I appreciate your input and agree with you about the nonsense about our Indian friend, I'm afraid you've gotten too involved and I strongly recommend you just back away from the page. The latest exchange (which I've hatted) could get you blocked (check WP:OUTING) which would be a real shame as WP needs good users like you. Just move on to more constructive matters. Give the user WP:ROPE rather than using it yourself. Ha en trevlig helg! Jeppiz (talk) 23:26, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

With this ever dramatic world and winter coming, here's a cup of tea to alleviate your day! This will also match that warming and calming honeypot. This e-tea's remains have been e-composted SwisterTwister talk 05:02, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, SwisterTwister. I like tea, drinking coffee during the day but tea in the evening. During the colder part of the year nothing beats sitting in front of a warm fireplace with a cup/mug of tea and some Laphroaig... Thomas.W ^talk 22:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Many thanks for your many and varied contributions to Wikpedia -- The Anome (talk) 09:59, 28 September 2015 (UTC)