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Rockhampton Airport

Thankyou for the tip. This problem has now been fixed, as I have cited a Tiger Airways Australia route map showing the commencement of services. I have also taken out the phrase 'for the first time', until i can prove it, although I believe it to be correct. Kind �Regards, Stuartfaz

Trinity College

  • Thankyou, but I think the paragraph is important, as the Mercedes page is stubbish, and mentions nowhere the actual bonds in the two schools, i.e. socials etc. How about I put the paragraph in a broader section: for instance"Trinity College in Society/Perth"?? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brainsurgeonrocketscientist (talk • contribs) 00:46, June 4, 2007 (UTC)
  • Heheh, thanks about the aquinascruft. I'll move away from TC, come back when I'm a better editor- Thanks again. However, is the issue with aquinascruft copyright? I'd like you to explain or show me an explanation why it is wrong. Or is it neutrality?-Brainsurgeonrocketscientist

Er, thanks...

But I've not the patience to deal with all that copyright muckamuck. Captainstoat

Prof. Legend: Got a Question

How do i get Abbreviations of My page title to link in to the page I have Written? Can you help? if you can could you Please leave instructions on my talk page. Cheers. Talk

Checking in

How are things with Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-01-26 Magnetic Monopole NPOV? Is the mediation still active? Vassyana 07:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Tourism Queensland website

Hi Thewinchester, I've checked out the website that the anon user added to the Townsville, Queensland article and you reverted. I am leaning towards disagreeing with your identifying of the external link as spam. The linked website is an official government website (Tourism Queensland is a Qld Gov Dept). While the site is not currently a reference for any info in the article, it is a general and non-commercial website specifically on the subject matter. Also I would have thought it would be of a similar or higher level of appropriateness to the Townsville Enterprise website which is included in the article. I'm not interested in edit warring with you on it but would like to hear your thoughts and ask that you take another look at the website and reconsider your decision. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 09:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi winchester, I think I may have used the wrong terminology, I wasn't trying to imply that I thought you were or would edit war, all I was trying to say was that it wasn't a big enough issue to me to undo your undo, I was trying to say that I would leave it to your discretion although I would ask that you give the revert a second thought. As for your reasoning, I see what you mean and agree with you, the links are quite extensive and that may be my inadvertent mistake as the original person who added all those links. when I get round to doing serious work on this article again I will cut down the external links unless you get there first :) Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 11:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Far away

I guess we will all have to wait for the FAR, it is a curious business. I'm left with more questions than answers - which is nice. Regards mate, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 11:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed your contrib to the FAR, only the comment elsewhere. Oh dear - it's all a learning process or some similar trite expression - they will probably be an admin one day. I have tried not to be harsh, I made a similar - though less dramatic - blunder once; I believe you commented on it the last time we met (you shared my view ;-). I recently purged chunks of my watchlist, it is too easy to be distracted from sensible improvements. Not easy to do though. Best regards, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 12:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Warning for personal attack

Illegitimate warning removed. Thewinchester (talk) 01:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

  • No comment required, an attempt at an attack from a user who won't admit to his own. Thewinchester (talk) 12:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Just so you know winchester, someone warning you for personal attacks against themselves isn't really kosher. A third party is supposed to be doing that. But really, just don't say anything about Alasohn at all. Your arguments on the topic are strong, so don't get them eclipsed with accusations of personal attacks. VanTucky (talk) 22:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Your vandalism warning at User talk:Michellecrisp

Absolutely unacceptable. Next time you pull a stunt like that, I'll block you myself. Hesperian 12:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

  • We'll agree to disagree on your characterisation of the action. Thewinchester (talk) 13:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Assuming bad faith

Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you. Dear TheWinchester, your vandalism warning is unwarranted for a number of reasons. Your aggression shows a lack of good faith.

  • you have assumed bad faith. see WP:AGF. look at my history on a number of topics. everything I do on Wikipedia is to improve it. You have used a level 3 warning which assumes bad faith.
Both of you have assumed bad faith with each other. This needs to cool down IMO. Orderinchaos 02:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
  • see WP:OWN do you feel an attachment to this article because you are from WA? this is a good faith question.
  • Look carefully at those 3 edits, they are sensible and appropriate and were discussed with User: Recurring dreams these 3 edits were not reverted despite many others talking to me about the article in the meantime. I was told "Minor editing is fine, but just be careful - if you want to do something major, ask the WikiProject." by User:JRG. User:Orderinchaos said "Some of the changes, such as removing the politics line, I do agree with" (emphasis added) which is this edit [1] how is that vandalism? you are clearly wrong. it has been discussed. admittedly not on the Talk Page but here User_talk:Michellecrisp#Hamersley.2C_Western_Australia it has been discussed.
  • I've said already since reversion to the "original" version that I will only make if any minor edits. 3 of those were NOT reverted by any editors despite a number of editors seeing it except you.
  • These 3 edits were made before I created the review request at 6:04 on Wikipedia time [2]. I made NO subsequent edits to the Hamersley article after 6:04 [3]
  • Your warning said "adding nonsense", please explain to me how those 3 edits were adding or nonsense. I'm assuming good faith here. Nonsense = Nonsense is an utterance or written text in what appears to be a human language or other symbolic system, that does not in fact carry any identifiable meaning'
  • Featured Articles are NOT edit free:

Hamersley, Western Australia is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do.

Michellecrisp 14:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

one only had to look at my talk page for one to realise that quite a few editors didn't agree with my changes. I have engaged in discussion with almost all of them. all you had to do is contact me on my talk page. If I persisted with major changes after people consulted me (which didn't happen look at the edit history yourself) then a vandalism warning would be warranted. Michellecrisp 04:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Humble request

Please don't respond for a little while. Thanks, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 15:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

He's busy! And he helps those who ... What are you working on at the moment? ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 15:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh yes, sorry. Forgot, I meant to watch it. I was recently working out that way, I used to wonder about the painted poles on the backlots. Public art is one explanation :P The jumbos lurching across Kalamunda road were a regular yet surreal experience. Cheers, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 16:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
See further comment at Freds talk page re the perth airport tarmac - totally unhelpful, and indeed tangential of course, but only the best - abernethy road needs an article folks - the wetlands are being destroyed and the ducks the ducks they are calling (however the jumbos they just drown out the mobile conversations) Satu Suro 00:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
As the late K... G... used to say about life love and service to the good of mankind - when the last drop of you know what is sucked out... Satu Suro 00:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Translations freely available from mr g - hee hee Satu Suro 05:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Now available with monkey grease and tea from mr gee Satu Suro 06:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
That was a very false assumption, its red, expensive fluid and not blood, and no you cannot have any!Satu Suro 06:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Gnang and I were doing photos and drinks in the swan valley - no customs, no gates - 0 - just empty wallets, in a manner of speaking Satu Suro 06:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
That is a loaded comment - considering the issues of the valley - over a very long coffee/beer that one (!) Satu Suro 07:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
For the record 180 picts for rail, valley, midland, coastal plain articles. There was 50 odd picts woth a funny lean to the left, now as sooon as I can gett the jeyboard to syat in tow places I'lll upload some of theim Gnan garra 10:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

perspicacity

Nah ... it will come to you. This sort of stuff passed for literature - back in the day. Anyway, ready about and back to port - your transport section in your airport art could conceivably been missing something. No, not trams, there is another way of getting there. Walking is possible, boating is not recommended and hitching is illegal. But what do I know, I don't believe in airports. Its all done with mirrors I tell ya, check next time you think you are flying somewhere. Nitrous discharge and some suggestive movies are all that is required, oh, and pi must equal exactly 3. I know, what a scam, people dropped off there just lie slumped in a coma for a few weeks and awake thinking they have been to far off lands! I don't know how this all came about, a strong aversion to sailing is my own view. The teleological implications escape me. Oh well. Good article though ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 07:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Saturday arvo, under a bridge with barrel of grange. Where else would you want to be? How did you find out about the tunnels? They are of course straight, but the 'ride' is downhill for the first half and the momentum carries you most of the way up. Atop a greased 'pig', you need only leap off and stride out into the foreign land at the other end. Much more plausible than these aeroplanes you seem to think are verifiable. Speaking of which .., how would you get to - say - the busport? Cheers, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 08:56, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Missing image Image:Perth airport stats.svg

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  • FFR, Self-requested CSD as SVG uploaded was having some problems, no action. Thewinchester (talk) 04:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

RE 3,612 bytes...

TCR is the main author of the work/article you have edited this morning so I would advise leaving a (polite) message on his talk page as well. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 18:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I was hoping you wouldn't say that :) at 4:20 in the morning I'm really not up for much deep thinking, as you can see from my contributes I've just being doing generic modifications which require 0 thought... sigh, I will have a look now. WikiTownsvillian 18:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks mate, and sorry. Just from glancing at your edits to City of Thuringowa and not going into it too heavily: I can see where you're coming from and the content (if left out of the article) should definitely be added to the wikitravel article. Regarding all the {{facts}}; I would hate for you to put that kind of scrutiny on one of the articles I've been a major contributor towards :) they are of course warranted, but it kind of looks like a bit of an attack on the article, but as you've said on TCR's talk page it will lead to a better article in the end which is a good thing, but still I hope this can be worked on with TCR constructively and collaboratively. As for your AdFs, I disagree with them moderately, and I disagree with the List of Townsville Schools one strongly.
That's my thoughts for now, I'm going out tomorrow so probably won't be back until tomorrow night or even Monday, so good luck and I hope you and TCR don't get into a conflict over this, from experience it's best to give him the benefit of the doubt and work very collaboratively and positively with him, we're still in a unresolved dispute which we've both been avoiding regarding the wording of Townsville/Thuringowa, but we’ve developed a nice easy peace. Anyway those are my 4:50am thoughts at a glance. Good luck! WikiTownsvillian 18:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Transperth A-series train

I moved the article using the standard move feature — the copy and paste was a full-content paste merge, as per WP:MERGE and the discussions which had already taken place on the article’s talk page. David Arthur 18:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I merged the pages exactly as WP:MERGE describes, including the link to the previous page required by GFDL; as the policy says, ‘Merging is a normal editing action, something any editor can do’. David Arthur 19:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
For future reference, the difference between a move and a merge is that while copying and pasting to move a page is counter-productive, it’s the only way to merge two articles that have been edited in parallel; even an administrator would have to do it exactly the same way. Anyway, now that the confusion has been settled, I hope we’ll be able to work together to improve Wikipedia’s already excellent coverage of the Transperth system. David Arthur 13:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

GahFuDdLe

I notice articles of mine being translated into german, errors and all, without a mention, oh well. Poor old train; grotesque cousin to the tram, the gutter of town planning. The appropriate attribution will follow, I wonder about the signalling to the switch man though. Is there a problem with the name perhaps. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 19:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

RE: Christchurch International Airport

Your quite welcome. Bucs2004 20:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

City of Thuringowa edits

Hi mate....thank you for your message but it has come a bit late, you could have let me know that you were going to do what you did so i could have saved all my long hard work on my computer, so that i could use it later, what i will say is this article looks like crap now and really doesn't point out the things that should be said, after looking at many other pages i have found that what i had listed on here was the same as most of the other pages (shopping centres ect). Also putting up the list of schools ect for both Townsviile and Thuringowa is wrong so can you please tell me why you have done this. When i have some time i will go thought and add the 3 million refs that you ask for and will be putting back some of the info i had on the page (with refs that i was still getting around to adding) well im looking forward to your reply on this matter Thuringowacityrep 02:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

You were notified about the changes as a courtesy to assist you with improving your methods and work around WP. There's no policy or procedures which requires anyone to do this, and your comments demonstrate you have significant WP:OWN issues that you really need to deal with here. I would strongly disagree with your assessment that the article looks like crap now, rather the article focuses more on providing information which is more encyclopaedic and veers away from the trivial and irrelevant. And if there are other pages with this kind of information, they need to be cleaned up as well (A list of shopping centres or food outlets does not meet WP:NOT#LIST, WP:NOT#INFO, WP:NOT#DIR and WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE particularly where WP:N has not been established in the appropriate context). As for the AfD, you may charachterise this however you like, and the reasons for them being listed are included within the AfD so there is no point repeating that here. As for putting information back on the page or when adding references, I would encourage you in the strongest of terms to read all the appropriate WP policies to assess if the information should even be within the article in the first place, and that appropriate references are provided from WP:RS (Information from a local council outside of demographic data for most information does not cut it, because even non-hardcore of editors regard that as primary source material for the sole purpose of self-promotion, which isn't inline with WP policy and not what this place is about). Thewinchester (talk) 02:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Correct me if i am wrong but isn't a POV against wiki policy and you saying that my user name makes me appear as part of the council is your POV well to start with i am not part of the council in any way OK and the link that i had on the awards info was working but for some reason is down, so i just went to add a new ref only to find that you have removed it again, how about being fair and giving a person time to do something, unlike you i don't have the time to sit up till all hours of the night working on wiki, so i add the info and ref's as soon as i get time....you might want to look at almost every page about a city on wiki because that it what i did to see what i should add to the Thuringowa page. Thuringowacityrep 02:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

From WP:NPOV, "All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), representing fairly and without bias all significant views". Where in there or WP:NPOV does it say that a user cannot make a comment about an obvious issue with a username on account that said username suggests a connect with the subject of an article? Nowhere does it say that. As for the awards stuff, as i've already said three times in the comments and edit summaries, the information from the council doesn't cut it on WP:RS grounds, you need to get outside sources for the information from non-trivial sources, otherwise you simply cannot include that information there and they'll be other editors who will strike it down as self-promotion. And don't try to say that because it's everywhere else I can have it in this article too, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS will give you appropriate guidance why that argument doesn't stack up, as well as the essay Don't add sewage to the already polluted pond. Thewinchester (talk) 03:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it has roughly the right structure (but sport in infrastructure really stands out). Culture is cleady an ad to me. And needs a lot of citating. I'll try to add to it the next few days. Michellecrisp 05:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar Page

Hey TW, just dropping a line to let you know that i have changed the name in your barnstar (on ur barnstar page) to TY from Savin Me, a former account of mine. Revert if you please, but i think it is nescessary. Thanks alot. P.S> its great to be back. Twenty Years 14:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing up the bullet points - had the article in word for ages - forgot about it. Many thanks. Ciao. Twenty Years 15:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Will ammend that on Turnbull 2morow - once ive fixed up my userpage. =P Twenty Years 15:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Just curious as to what having the redirect thing capitalised does 1 - i am very un-wiki-literate. Twenty Years 08:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfB

Thank you, Thewinchester, for participating in my RfB, which ended unsuccessfully with a final tally of (80/22/3).
I shall continue to work on behalf of the community's interests and improve according to your suggestions.
Most sincere regards, Húsönd 23:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Obrigado, Thewinchester, por participares no meu RfB, que terminou sem sucesso com um resultado final de (80/22/3).
Continuarei a trabalhar em prol dos interesses da comunidade e a melhorar segundo vossas sugestões. Calorosos cumprimentos, Húsönd 23:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks • Obrigado • Gracias • Merci • Danke • Спасибо • Tack • Kiitos
Esker • Köszönöm • Takk • Grazie • Hvala • ありがとう • 謝謝 • 谢谢

My RfA

Thank you for your support in my RfA, which was closed as successful. You rock! -- But|seriously|folks  08:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

ineedhits deletion

Hi Thewinchester, I am disappointed that you found it necessary to delete the ineedhits entry on wikipedia. It is not just a "local business" and as such currently has a partnership with Yahoo! (ineedhits is only 1 of 2 companies in the world to have this Yahoo! partnership). Here is a list of some of the awards you could not find...

  • 5th fastest growing company in Australia (2002 - BRW Fast 100)
  • 11th fastest growing company in Australia (2003 - BRW Fast 100)
  • Entrepreneur of the Year (Ernst & Young)- Finalist (2003 & 2002)
  • Deloitte Touche Fast 50 - 6th (Australia - 2002)
  • Deloitte Touche Fast 500 - 17th (Asia Pacific - 2003)

Regards Clay Cook

ClayCook 17 July 2007

ROxBo on Townsville

A little odd? :) WikiTownsvillian 10:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Seriously?!?!?! wow, that's fantastic :D you learn something new everyday. WikiTownsvillian 11:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Yep, just adding the references to the article now after reverting back the other version. Thewinchester (talk) 11:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Must be careful with deletions! And over-aggressive article-tending. Info from the public library "History of Townsville" ROxBo 23:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Geez, you got an apology and a reminder to add references to material, what more could you possibly want? The information when first added smelled like WP:CB and i'd rather remove stuff like that and peform some fact-checking before bringing it back, rather than let it just sit there. You've got no excuse for not adding those references yourself, so just be grateful. Thewinchester (talk) 00:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Kingsford Smith International Airport

I have to say that I was not vandalising the article, I was complying to WP:AIRPORTS guidelines when it comes to listing subsidiaries. Please read up on agreed guidelines when it comes to varied Wikiprojects, thanks.

Furthermore, please assume Good Faith when it comes to possible edit conflicts. --Arnzy (talk · contribs) 13:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

You were given a level one warning, so that is assuming good faith. Secondly, I'll be taking up the issue of airports formatting with the project. It's insanely redundant and goes against WP:NOT#DIR. Thewinchester (talk) 13:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment

Your comment at Hesps page isnt really warranted the user you are referring to was unblocked by Hesp with agreed conditions, his actions while assessing was borderline disruptive and outside the agreed conditions of unblocking, so Hesps response to the events was/are reasonable. Gnangarra 09:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

retract it before you get any deeper into it would be my suggestion SatuSuro 11:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 12 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for incivility on Hesperian's talk page. Please stop. You're welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

Re [4]. Incredible. To assume the role of mentor to a blocked user who has agreed to terms of behaviour during a probation is admirable. But, it is presumptuous of you to start lecturing others by insinuating that the remarks were made referring the the editors personality rather than his contributions ("...whatever your personal opinions..."). Similarly, vague threats ("...putting you into a very tenious position...") and backhanders ("...or myself if you can bring yourself to do that...") have no place here. And do not include my name in your games in future. —Moondyne 15:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


Ogalo

Given your interpretation of what constitutes advertising material and promotion, please review the Oporto_(restaurant) article as soon as possible. It even discusses its own marketing campaigns. For the record I have absolutely no affiliation with Ogalo just simply wrote the article based on the approach and layout of Oporto, a similar company. If the Ogalo article comes across as promotion, by your logic the Oporto article is similarly guilty. Please rectify because we don't want commercial and promotional material on wikipedia right? Sammy lightfoot 05:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The issue with Ogalo is to do with the fact you've recreated material which was in no way different to the content which was deleted by community consensus at this AfD. No one single person makes deletion decisions, with the permitted exception to articles which meet the criteria for speedy deletion that can only be removed by Administrators. This was acceptable in this case as the above articles as they were recreations of previously deleted material. If you feel that there is another article which you feel does not meet the relevant wikipedia policies and procedures, then you are welcome to take that to AfD (includes instructions on how to correctly list articles for deletion). Thewinchester (talk) 05:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Irrespective of whether the Ogalo page belongs or not, the content I created was different. Feel free to compare. I am also very curious as to why you made edits on the Oporto page yourself but not once brought up the issue that that page is written like an adverstisement, whereas you are constantly criticising the previous Ogalo pages for that exact reason. If you prefer not to practice what you preach, leave the pulpit. There is absolutely no reason to take Oporto to AfD, that's a cop out. It's a large and notable company. My issue is with how it is written and your silence on said issue. Sammy lightfoot 05:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I've addressed your questions already in the above paragraph. The decision was taken on community consensus, and if you feel that Oporto is not up to the require wikistandards then you are welcomed to be bold and take those. For you to question another editor in the way that you have, is bordering on a WP:AGF violation. I'd just be quiet at this point and move on. Thewinchester (talk) 05:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Don't threaten me please. All I'm asking is that you do your job, and you seem to be reacting aggressively. Over and out. Sammy lightfoot 06:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Um, where's the threatening? I sure can't see anything threatening in this conversation. As for doing my job, when is being a volunteer contributor to WP a job? I think the Admin who dropped that warning on your talk page sums it all up quite nicely. Thewinchester (talk) 15:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
"For you to question another editor in the way that you have, is bordering on a WP:AGF violation. I'd just be quiet at this point and move on" sounds pretty threatening to me. The Admin who "dropped a warning" on my page just sums up your relationship quite nicely: you have a history of entering debates for one another completely ill-informed. When is being a volunteer contributor to WP a job? When you become as obsessed and power trippy as you have. Sammy lightfoot 20:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

A heading for your thoughts

I did supply a good reason. The page that was linked has no sources. I removed the only one because it was clearly linked to IMDB's trivia section which is not a verifiable source. NobutoraTakeda 16:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not going to fly with me - particularly on a policy. Don't modify any policy pages no matter how trivial without taking it up on it's talk page or at the village pump first. And in your specific case, I would suggest this advice is quite pertinent considering the sheer number of people including senior project members from across the globe that you have already got offside with. Thewinchester (talk) 16:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

User warned? I posted what you claimed did not existed, i.e. proof that the two pages are exactly the same. If you don't apologize for your comments about warning I will make it public on the admin page that you are unwilling to look at a situation and instead get other people to try and help you ignore the truth. You are being rude and you are deleting things without cause. NobutoraTakeda 16:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Orderinchaos warned you and expanded that what you were adding to my talk page constituted vandalism, and i'm totally inclined to agree with him. As per my previous comment to you, I strongly suggest you take heed of the warnings and comments on your talk page, as it's plain and obvious to anyone that you have caused significant discontent in the community with your actions. Thewinchester (talk) 16:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Those weren't random numbers. Go ahead and put it up as vandalism and you will be shot down. If you don't put it up as vandalism, I will report you for lying about my actions. NobutoraTakeda 16:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Um, I wasn't the one who warned you for vandalism. If you disagree with the warning, then you can take it up on the talkpage of the user who gave it to you. I just agree with their justification for the warning based on your actions. If you want to Wikilawyer then that's fine by me - but what complaint do you have against me if I wasn't the one who warned you? The answer to the question is self-evident. Thewinchester (talk) 17:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I already took it up on their page but you still acted as if it was correct and then claimed that it constituted vandalism. There is nothing on the vandalism chart that even fits it, and "random numbers" would be a list of 183834 for no reason, not "leaders of _" with the year behind it to show that the two items are the same. You are acting extremely rude. NobutoraTakeda 17:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I beg to differ on the claim of rudeness, and I can see from this diff just added to your talkpage by another user who is an administrator that you're trying to accuse someone of the same things you are being seen to do. My conversation has been nothing but polite and reasonable, the only impolite things and threats I can see have been written by yourself. You have already been reasonably advised what to do about the vandalism issue and there is nothing more worth talking about here as I'm not the one you need to be taking it up with, as has been explained. I simply wish you good day and hope you learn something from this. Thewinchester (talk) 17:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You are being rude by saying vandalism issue. If it is, please point out which of the numbers on vandalism that it falls under instead of saying that I broke a rule. NobutoraTakeda 17:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not the user who gave you the warning, so I can't answer that question. As is now being advised for the third time, you need to take that up with the user who issued you the warning. Thewinchester (talk) 17:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
You claimed I broke a rule based on a warning. Either you stop claiming I broke a rule and apologize for it, or show where I broke a rule. You also are wrong about nothing changing on the Noonie Soong page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Noonien_Soong&diff=72360261&oldid=53216517 NobutoraTakeda 17:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Where is that claim? I have not claimed that you have broke a rule based on a warning, that claim would have been made in template by whomever the user was who issued you the warning. If are somehow trying to imply that I sought out assistance to have you warned, there is no factual or evidentially basis for such a claim, and from what I can see the user in question who issued you the warning did so independently. If you are trying to say that my edit summary is the sole basis of this issue, then you have no basis as the content reverted was that you were warned for but chose to re-add, therefore an edit summary of WP:VAND is highly appropriate in this case as it was the re-addition of material that was already deemed to be vandalism. Again, I would refer you to my previous comments advising to speak with whoever the user was who gave you the warning and at this juncture I specifically request that you refrain from circular arguments and any further discussion regarding this matter on my talk page. Thewinchester (talk) 17:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Its wonderful how condesending and snide you are acting on my talk page. The simple truth of the matter is that you two know each other. There are many instances that show that. Next, he acted on your talk page claiming it was vandalism when no number corresponds and without proof. The accusation was uncalled for as was his revert. Then you try to dance around, pretend you did nothing, while making more snide comments. You have a piss poor attitude and you sure are acting abusive. Furthermore, its "do" not "doh" and "ra". At least spell the words correctly when you try to be snide. NobutoraTakeda

I don't see anything that is either condesending or snide, and the exact content being posted on your talk page by me is being posted on mine verbatim. I'm not going to post anything on someone else's talk page that i'm not comfortable posting on my own. Your last sentence tells me that you never saw this episode of The Simpsons. And remember, there is only a cabal if you want there to be one. Thewinchester (talk) 17:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Trying to rationalize "doh" as the Simpsons fails to justify how you mispelt "ra". Your whole attitude is snide. Also, this is not a cabal, because a cabal by definition is an organized group that assumes power. You are just bullies trying to belittle someone by claiming rules violation and then dance around the topic afterwards when it was pointed out that the original warning had nothing substantial to even back it up just to distract the person from bringing up legitimate problems to a page that you are trying to own. NobutoraTakeda 17:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
there is only a cabal if you want there to be one. As for the claim of WP:OWN, like the user you claim has acted in a cabal with me, this article is also the first ever star trek article I've touched in 1yr and ~5,000 wikipedia edits. You've just made another baseless claim which shows bad faith on your part. This is now the second time I will be asking you, please cease and desist posting on my talk page, as you are now pushing well over and above the boundaries of WP:POINT. All reasonable and fair opportunities has been provided to you to resolve whatever complaint you may have in a fair and reasonable manner, all of which is documented here and you have failed to use. Further posts on this talk page will be considered in the context of relevant wikipolicy and pursued accordingly. Thewinchester (talk) 18:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
You never told me to stop talking and your constant editing of my talk page shows that you are acting in a way unbecoming. You did show OWN by editing out a AfD tag instead of putting in the appropriate one, and you did show OWN by editing out justified edits to a stub page on a policy page under examples, which is allowed. You are not being reasonable and any response on my talk page will have you brought up for attention on the RfC because you are purposely going out of your way to harass me and try to spin circles and be snide just so you can protect your pages from being edited by someone thats not you. NobutoraTakeda 18:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, that's very sweet of you. I didn't know you felt to highly of me to nominate me for Adminship (diff). Thewinchester (talk) 18:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Can I suggest a cup of tea all round? I think you both should take a few deep breaths and go back to making Wikipedia a better place. Peace. The Rambling Man 18:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

My request to ask you to stop is there, Again, I would refer you to my previous comments advising to speak with whoever the user was who gave you the warning and at this juncture I specifically request that you refrain from circular arguments and any further discussion regarding this matter on my talk page. If you read the edit summary, the AfD tag was incorrectly placed and instructions given on how to correctly list it. Again, you can't make WP:OWN. This is now the third and final request for you to refrain from posting on my talk page. Any further posts will be considered in the context of relevant wikipolicy and pursued accordingly. You can see that I don't get worn out easily, and you're not acheiving anything by making baseless claim after baseless claim. The sooner you realise this and go do something productive on the wiki other than the AfD queue you seem to live in, then you'll be better off for it. Thewinchester (talk) 18:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I also request that you stop there. For your own sake. This editor is unreasonable, illogical and as the old saying goes: "Never argue with a fool, the spectators may not be able to tell the difference." This editor calls upon his wiki friends to enter debates and make comments when they are ill-informed and unqualified to comment. He doesn't practice what he preaches, cites and applies wikilaw at will even when irrelevant and when he lacks throrough understanding of it. Surrender now because "he doesn't tire easily". Tire from being a stain on the wikipedia bedsheet, that is. Don't argue on his talk page OR ELSE. It's done his way or you're looking at a ban due to WP:BULLSHIT or WP:IMFULLOFSHIT or WP:IMASHITEDITOR or WP:CLOSEDMINDED. Sammy lightfoot 20:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thuringowa Refs

Hi as you will see i have added a lot of refs to the Thuringowa page and i will be done with all of them soon but seeing how you thought the Thuringowa page was lacking refs i have noticed that the Cairns page only has a total of 11 ref i have added a tag to the page but if you have the time can you have a look at it and add tags where you think needs a ref (like you did on the Thuringowa page). Thanks again and feel free to send me a message if i have done anything wrong Thuringowacityrep 07:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Lerrin LaGrow

Not sure why you tagged the Lerrin LaGrow article as unsupported by citations. All of LaGrow's baseball statistics are supported by the Baseball-Reference.com citation in the article. The other facts, including the 1972 ALCS bat-throwing incident, are also supported by specific references. Plese take a second look and reconsider. Cbl62 07:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Um, not me. My name is not showing up in the article history. In any case, such a tag on the article given it's current state is correct because no references or inline citations have been included. Thewinchester (talk) 07:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Your comments helped me realize there are actually two duplicate articles on the same subject, one I created spelled Lerrin Lagrow and the other created previously and spelled Lerrin LaGrow. The latter spelling is correct. I have combined the content in the article with the correct spelling and have included multiple references for every fact and statistic. The article with the incorrect spelling is now an empty shell. Do you know how to delete the article with incorrect spelling (Lerrin Lagrow) to avoid future confusion? Thanks for your help on this. Cbl62 07:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to assume it's a common mispelling, and i've placed a Redirect tag on the incorrect spelling to direct it to the correct article. Cheers, Thewinchester (talk) 07:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Great. Thanks winchester.

my edit revert

Hi can you please tell me why you reverted my edits to the Education part in City of Thuringowa i was the one who added the new info to this part to it would have more that 1 line of info and then a tag was added saying that it was a POV, well seeing how i got this info from the schools own website, i thought it was better if i just removed that very small bit of info and finding another ref for it would be hard and to reword it just wouldn't work but i now find that it has now been put back. Can you please fill me in on what to do here as everything i seem to do wrong. thank you Thuringowacityrep 08:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment

Your comment at Hesps page isnt really warranted the user you are referring to was unblocked by Hesp with agreed conditions, his actions while assessing was borderline disruptive and outside the agreed conditions of unblocking, so Hesps response to the events was/are reasonable. Gnangarra 09:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

retract it before you get any deeper into it would be my suggestion SatuSuro 11:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 12 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for incivility on Hesperian's talk page. Please stop. You're welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

Re [5]. Incredible. To assume the role of mentor to a blocked user who has agreed to terms of behaviour during a probation is admirable. But, it is presumptuous of you to start lecturing others by insinuating that the remarks were made referring the the editors personality rather than his contributions ("...whatever your personal opinions..."). Similarly, vague threats ("...putting you into a very tenious position...") and backhanders ("...or myself if you can bring yourself to do that...") have no place here. And do not include my name in your games in future. —Moondyne 15:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

logos at Townsville, Queensland

Hi winchester, while I can see where you are coming from regarding the logos it was actually me who placed them there and put them in that order and I have no vested interest in making Thuringowa more prominent than it deserves. In a section of the Townsville page about local government, Thuringowa is important to highlight because of the unusualness of having two local government areas in one city. Although I can see there may be fair use problems. thanks, WikiTownsvillian 23:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

If you're going to wikistalk

Then please do a better job of it next time and make it look like that's not what your doing. The fact you only reverted this change and not several others performed by the vandal in question, and also failed to generate any useful warning on the vandal's talk page or notify WP:AIV/WP:ANI about the matter has revealed exactly what you've been up to in this regard. Thewinchester (talk) 04:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Unfortunately, I have your talk page on my watchlist. When I see an article dropping in size significantly, I often interpret that as a sign of potential vandalism, which seemed to be the case here, so with a few clicks I did a revert, which is "exactly what [I've] been up to in this regard." While I usually try to warn the vandals, a review of my reverts for today will show that this is not always the case. At times, I have followed through all of a vandal's edits and reverted other vandalism, but I rarely have the time to do so in general, and I had only a few minutes to squeeze in a few edits after a near six-hour break to drive a few hundred miles and before I was away from the computer for another two hours. All three edits made in this seven-minute time frame were reversions of vandalism, and I provided no vandalism warnings for any of these reverts and did not verify or revert any of these vandal's other edits. While I had simply done the revert as a courtesy that I would happily perform for any other editor, one might have hoped that there might be some small measure of appreciation on your part for reverting vandalism to your talk page. Unfortunately, such is not the case. Alansohn 05:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Check cate !

Appears to be a consipracy of the ultimate heinous kind where some secret code exists inside the thnggamujiggy that gyres the gimble - and if you are not lost - appears to only jump down the throat of some references and not others and seems to be selective - clearly a DNA tracking device by the non carbon based lifeforms who appear to inhabit the further reaches of this gigantic comic and cosmic joke of a goldfishbowl that all gets beemed up into mr googles sphincter (take your pick which one) and spat out as claims to authority. I would say best to ignore, like the elephant - lest you worry about it. You will be able to tell if all is right if the elephant drroppings smell that way. Otherwise start worrying and change my prescription of class=NA to class=cat and pass the hairy mission. This is not a trojan camel. SatuSuro 06:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC) Translation free of cost or indemnity by gmail SatuSuro 07:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC) Camel - take care of spelling when trying to interpret the internals - whole empires can crash over a misstaken typing of a letter - viz template markup language :| SatuSuro 08:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Damn, and there I was thinking we'd unearthed a conspiracy to take over the world. Orderinchaos 10:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Well winchester need to go back to the brearley article and do something about the refs - they are a mess - I'd say neither elephants or camels could do that :( SatuSuro 11:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
It wasnt the cate - it was the format of the refs - it looks like foreign heiroglyphics and does not conform to WP MOS surely for references? SatuSuro 15:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

*'brien1000

Yeah odd one that - people don't usually give their socks such obvious names. The only link to you that I can find is that you tagged the article The moon project (created by Jonathano'brien1000) for deletion :

07:46, July 15, 2007 . . Thewinchester (Talk | contribs) (3,977 bytes) (Marking page for deletion using NPWatcher)

There are a lot of edits to The moon project and Moon project now deleted where the second account argued for the retention of those articles after they'd been recreated by the first. So not sure if both are socks of someone else, or just one stupid person very keen on this "Moon project" thing... WjBscribe 15:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Norman Brearley

Please to look back at the Norman_Brearley footnotes, TW. They're not working. Cheers, Bjenks 16:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC) Hesp has straightened em out - I thought it was japanese for a while : | SatuSuro 02:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Ogalo article

Hi there, it seems that the article "Ogalo (restaurant)" has come back, can you have a look and see if it is okay and if it meets WP policy...etc. Just remembering all the hoo-ha last time. Thanks --Mikecraig 22:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Karrinyup Shopping Centre

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Karrinyup Shopping Centre, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Despite that project's involvement in the page, I'm not confident that it can be expanded into a reasonable article. As such, I've listed it on AFD. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Looks a lot better now (not perfect, but what is?). Procedurally, I can't withdraw the nomination as there are outstanding deletion !votes by other people, but it looks like it's pretty clearly heading toward a consensus of keep since you worked on it, which is OK with me given the changes that were made. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • According to WP:SK, I'm not supposed to close the nomination in cases where other people have advanced deletion arguments, at least not unless they all withdraw first. It's a guideline and not a policy, but I still think it's best to wait and let an admin do the honors in a day or two. There really doesn't seem to be any danger of the improved page being deleted, anyway. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Karrinyup

Thanks for the heads up. I've voted in the AfD. :) Rebecca 02:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

There is a 15 cent charge every time you use it, 25 cents if I have to change the quote. However, there is a lot about trams in it, that would be free. Fred ☻ 02:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Amy Johnston, someone should fix that. Fred ☻ 03:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Nice going Thewinchester; I think this is the first contentious Afd we have been on the same side of the fence! I have a fairly extensive outstanding revision to section 1 "History and Development". I am tidying it up now, and it should land in about 15 mins. John Vandenberg 14:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
It is lookin good. A lot of the information I added is more general, and probably warrants starting a dedicated article to the urban planning of Perth, but I haven't seen any articles of that nature for other major cities. p.s. I started Transport in Perth this morning when I saw your template User:Thewinchester/Sandbox/PerthPublicTransport, which looks like it is good enough to go live. John Vandenberg 15:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Banned user Potters House

Hi there. I read this not long ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Potters_house

I had been accused (falsely) by this user of some kind of evil against him on wikipedia. In the last month alone he under an IP address is still harassing me. He vandelised my user page more than 20 times last month doing stupid stuff like taking the dots out of my links so they wouldn't work, today he marked my page for deletion. He follows me to any edit I make and reverts them calling me a vandal. I would at some stage like to work on other articles but I'm watching this same guy who is keeping me busy. I have done nothing but follow the rules and treated all editors with respect (including this guy). I still get harrassed by him and there is nothing I can do about it.Darrenss 11:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

  • The truth is that my page got deleted while I was away. It is almost impossible to re-establish the user name I once had. Darren seems to think I was banned, but my page was deleted because I put links on the page, just as he has done. Darren is a former Potter's House member. If you look at his history you will see that HE is the one harrassing. He is only on Wikipedia to harras Potter's House members and to slander the church, as his history clearly shows.
  • He claims I am vandalising his page. I was just deleting the poor quality/slanderous links he has been warned of puting on wiki. I can't understand why my userpage was deleted, while his is not, he has links on his page as well. His slandrous links go to groups claiming that I am a homosexual, have left the church, and desire to have sex with the church leaders. They have made slanderous films on You Tube about me also. Just Type in Nick Sayers. So Although I was banned if you look at my contribs, I was actually contrinbuting to wiki not just cutting people down, putting up stupid links and deleting the hard work of others like Darren Smith does.
  • Firstly, I am not an admin so the amount of assistance I could provide is limited. In my opinion this is a banned user (admitted in this diff) now editing as an Anon IP user attempting to disrupt the wiki for the purpose of POV violation, while at the same time wikistalking a user which they may or may not have had a contentious interaction with. As I can see, you have already attempted to discuss this on the page of an admin, who has taken the appropriate action. I would suggest that the anon IP who is misbehaving seriously consider his position and be mindful he is actually editing the wiki in a manner which violates WP:SOCK. This as far as I am concerned is the end of the matter, and I would specifically request that the person behind this anon IP ceases and desists from further edits to my talk page. Thewinchester (talk) 13:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
This is the stuff promoted on Darrens links. I am Nick Sayers - how would you like it? Can you see why I am taking it personally http://www.youtube.com/user/Ihatenicksayers 124.183.227.185 14:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your understanding - all that and you just call me a dick? Why even get involved. 124.183.227.185 14:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

As per my previous comments, I have asked you to refrain from all edits to my talk page, and I will not ask this again. Further to this, the content to which you refer is not on wikipedia and therefore outside of it's purvue and control. If you have an issue, I would suggest you either take it up with Google Inc. as owners of YouTube, or file a civil lawsuit in the relevant jurisdiction if such a matter could be substantiated under that jurisdictions legal system. Thewinchester (talk) 14:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Your comments

Read Masalai's comments and insistence I am not an English speaker. I've given evidence of my substantial contributions and pointed out comments are bordering on racist which is clearly not acceptable on Wikipedia. Same token you're not assuming good faith about me, something which happened before. Michellecrisp 04:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC) If the behaviour of Masalai continues, yes I will refer to a third party but it won't be you for obvious reasons. thanks for your offer though. Michellecrisp 04:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to make ad hominem attacks such as yours above, and anyone who read the Hammersley FAR to which you have made a veiled reference to would disagree with your inappropriate (and Non-AGF) characterisation of my comments. You're both in the wrong on this one, and you need to step back quickly and sort it out now. Thewinchester (talk) 04:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 22 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Karrinyup Shopping Centre, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 17:24, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Your warning

thank-you for your message, I look forward to seeing your comments on Talk:Rebecca. Physchim62 (talk) 22:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

"Appropriate warning"

Thank you for your obviously well-intentioned caveat at second hand, "With regard to your comments on User:Michellecrisp: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy," but it is misplaced. It is quite unnecessary, I assure you, and I have entirely backed away from any interaction with Ms Crisp, who appears to be someone who enters combat mode rather readily. It is a pity that she took my queries amiss: I inquired as to what was the nature of her special interest in Regina, Saskatchewan, given that she is in Brisbane, Australia; I wondered if, given that she is in Brisbane, Australia, she is an aboriginal Australian and if this might account for her rather unusual manner of expressing herself in English. She apparently regards this as a racist attack and it is an odd notion of racism to characterise it as such. It is nothing of the kind: I have worked for the better part of 30 years with Papua New Guineans, aboriginal Canadians and aboriginal Australians as a teacher, colleague, employer, employee and friend. Ms Crisp's English is -- well, she bristles at its being characterised as non-native or substandard; but special, at any rate, and my entirely neutral inquiry was by way of a friendly attempt to account for it. Perhaps I should have posed the question in New Guinea Pidgin. Masalai 08:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I am happy that you have decided not to pursue the quarrel with MichelleCrisp. However, please then also stop this negative characterisation of her. If you truly want to leave the matter behind, then please do. MichelleCrisp was not the only one interpreting your comments as unacceptable. Your characterisation of own conduct here is also misleading. You wrote:
Are you an aboriginal Australian? In that case, welcome to Wikipedia, and our sincere compliments on your splendid command of 
English, considering your disadvantaged background! You do very well, it must be said. We in Canada are very well aware of the 
difficulties that aboriginal Australians face in confronting the 21st century.

Our sincere compliments on your progress thus far, but may one suggest that you explore the possibility of becoming somewhat more 
fluent in English before you start wholesale deleting sections of articles on the English-speaking Wikipedia instead of making 
contributions? We are sure that there must be coaches in basic English in Australia who can help you with attaining fluency in 
English.

Is kindness as to your seriously defective English now considered racist in Australia? I hadn't known! Thank you for advising me 
and the wider Wikipedia community. But if now you propose to enter into the fray as to the editing of Wikipedia articles, 
especially as to matters that are far beyond your ken, dear Madam, you must allow your seriously defective English now to be 
edited with all due punctilio. 

Oh, dear madam, I note that you have urged on my user page that I "be civil." I shall try. Thank you indeed. Shall I in future
post such messages on your own user page? One notes the obvious defects as to civility, grammar and spelling in your many 
overtures to overseas Wikipedia contributors.
Phrases such as "disadvantaged background", "difficulties confronting the 21st century", "seriously defective english" and "obvious defects as to civility, grammar and spelling" are not civil. If you did not intend to be rude, you should have phrased your comments very differently.
Let's leave this behind us, shall we ? --Eivind Kjørstad 11:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Dear thewinchester, I believe the above message from Eivind is meant for Masalai not you. LibStar 12:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Inform

I thought you may wish to know that I have responded to your "strong oppose" at Giggy's RfA. I would appreciate it if you saw my response. Thanks. Acalamari 23:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi, Thewinchester, and thanks for your participation in my RfA. I've withdrawn it, and will be writing up an "analysis" of it, which will soon be available at User:Giggy/RfA/Giggy when it's done. Please come around when you get the chance, and give me feedback on how I can improve. Thanks again, Giggy UCP 04:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Sammy lightfoot and Ogalo

I was lost with was was going on with the recent comments on my talk page from this user...is he being annoying and causing trouble? --Mikecraig 23:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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