User talk:Thermanson

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Fortis College

Hello, I saw some of your edits about Fortis College. Please review Wikipedia's policy on external links at WP:EL. I think some or all of what you are doing may be regarded as an advertisement. Consider making a Wikipedia article about Fortis College if it meets WP:NOTABILITY. Blue Rasberry 23:30, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

In response to the message you left on my talk page, I would echo what Rasberry has said. Adding the same link to many different pages, especially if you are associated with the institution, is generally regarded negatively (see WP:SPAM). If you think Fortis College is notable enough for its own article, try putting together a draft article in your user space (e.g. at User:Thermanson/Fortis College) and ask for opinions at The Drawing Board. Also Your First Article is a helpful page. ... discospinster _talk 00:47, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. It seems Bluerasberry and discospinster have covered my thoughts. Adding an inline external link to may articles is seen as spam, and it seems to happen a lot to city articles. I think the best way to improve coverage is to first create an article as discospinster outlined. Since you're affiliated with the college, it would be a good idea to read WP:COI and WP:NPOV first. Happy editing! --Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 01:54, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

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Fortis College

You don't have to create an article in order to have it mentioned in other articles, but it's probably a better idea just to name the college rather than add a link to the web page. Otherwise it has the appearance that you are spamming for readers to visit the web page. ... discospinster _talk 02:05, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. One or more of the external links you added in this edit to the page Dothan, Alabama do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. You may wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. WookieInHeat (talk) 02:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello, you simply need to answer the question: when and in what contexts is Fortis College a significant and notable institute? Help merge the Fortis College and Fortis Institute pages, add some material about their notability, &c. Since it is a chain of schools, adding a link about them to every city page where a college exists is... a bit disproportionate to the way other institutions are treated. (as a counterexample, ITT Technical Institute exists in many many cities around the country, but most of them do not list it as one of their noteworthy local institutions. Once we get to the stage where all such institutions *are* mentioned, it will likely be less seen as advertising, and just seen as valuable information in the info-grid.) –SJ+ 03:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Unfortunately, it looks like we're not on the same page. First of all, your counter example, ITT Technical Institute, has to my count over twenty location pages linking to the school's Wikipedia page. Some examples are Las Vegas, Nevada, Memphis, Tennessee, Orlando, Florida, Columbus, Ohio, Louisville, Kentucky, Albuquerque, New Mexico, Wichita, Kansas, Syracuse, New York, Knoxville, Tennessee, Tallahassee, Florida, San Bernardino, California, Fort Wayne, Indiana, Green Bay, Wisconsin, and more. From this and other examples, I'm not sure the Fortis College Wikipedia page and the links pointing to it are being treated the same as other institutions.

The tome of wrong versions feels your pain.

I don't believe the purpose of the educational sections on the location pages is to only point out "significant and notable institutes". First of all, this is a highly subjective matter. Additionally, these location pages are setup to be resourceful, not exclusive. I believe adding onto the lists on these pages would only enhance the resourcefulness of the page. Look at any education sections of any city websites. Do most of them prove their "noteworthyness"? No, they don't. In fact, I'm not sure it's fair to include some institutions, but not allow others.

In response to when you said "Once we get to the stage where all such institutions *are* mentioned, it will likely be less seen as advertising, and just seen as valuable information in the info-grid.)" To me, you are saying that it will be seen as "valuable information" once all institutions are mentioned. However, when I bring the pages one step closer to doing so, it is frowned upon. Wikipedia pages are dynamic and constantly being added on to enhance their value. Most pages do not start out by having all of the information they end up with. That is the beauty of Wikipedia. Pages constantly evolve and mature by the help of others. So again, by adding Fortis College, I am adding to the "valuable information in the info-grid."

I originally linked all of the location pages to the Fortis College website, but I was told I should create a Fortis College Wikipedia page instead, and then link the location pages to the Fortis College Wikipedia page. I have done what I was told to, but am still experiencing opposition.

Different people will offer you different perspectives. The editors are a team of tens of thousands; don't expect immediate consistency. –SJ+ 19:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I am fine with merging the two pages, am not sure how. Before I do so, however, I want to make sure when someone types in "Fortis Institute" in Wikipedia, they come to a Fortis page, since some locations are called "Fortis Institute".Thank you. —comment added by Thermanson (talk • contribs) 14:56, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

We have a system of millions of "redirects". If you look at the current Fortis Institute page you will see those are just a simple line of wikimarkup. Searching should work for you as expected. –SJ+ 19:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for combining the pages and implementing the redirect.

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