User talk:Techform

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Created page Telcobuy Techform (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Telcobuy for deletion[edit]

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Issuing level 1 warning about removing AfD template from articles before the discussion is complete.[edit]

From your various comments, I suspect you are conflating WP:PROD tags with WP:AFD. They are both things that may lead to an article getting deleted, but they through very different procedures. A PROD tag you can delete, and that ends the PROD procedure. An AFD tag you are never supposed to delete (except as part of a proper AFD closure), and you actually don't want to if you want the article to survive - it is there to tell interested parties that the discussion is going on. Removing the tag does not stop the AFD procedure. As such, the automated software was correct to restore that tag and to let you know that that deleting it is inappropriate. Arguing on your talk page with a piece of automated software is not likely to have any effect.

I appreciate that you have a lot of energy and wish to improve Wikipedia. Your efforts might be better directed and less frustrating if you took some time to learn more about the process and procedures that you are involved in, as well as our notability standards. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:48, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@NatGertler:

I knew you were a nice person and i'm glad were talking on these pages. I only wish and continue to hope we can work together to help the wikipedia community. I'm more of a writer than an IT guy, but asking for help and not getting it from virtually an entire community and then to as you say "lead to articles getting deleted" takes away hours of writing. I feel we all should be assisted with draft status articles and re-writing them first and foremost as opposed to AfD and condemming their efforts as a means for too soon notability... just my two cents. I've taken your advice and read up on some of the notability. Interestingly i've never had such a trial by fire with articles before. Spending hours upon hours to be beaten to a bloody pulp of nothing left was honestly taking the high energy and spirit away, I truly appreciate that you were nicely regarding me with having high energy and wish to impove here, thanks. If Wikiedia is even worth my donating time with contributions from my journalism degree I only hope the others i've asked can be a nice as you, even after what we've been going back and forth on. For the Bryan Kreutz article I asked for more time on. I recieved both links on thier original websites, the last one being today. These were initialy copyright vio on 3rd party sights. Could you please help me with recommending what next steps to do to add these 2 references to a draft article or a forum for review? I don't know what else to do? Please let me know if I can assist you with articles... even though youre already a master and far above the learning curve. Like you said I was arguing with a robot talk page.. i'm in need of help obviously. :)<ref>http://www.myleaderpaper.com/news/men-from-imperial-and-festus-work-together-to-chase-the/article_31c95e90-18c3-11e8-b0ea-33780a9f3c8b.htmlCite error: The opening <ref> tag is malformed or has a bad name (see the help page). <ref>http://www.bnd.com/entertainment/tv/article201355454.htmlCite error: The opening <ref> tag is malformed or has a bad name (see the help page). Techform (talk) 21:47, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am glad that you want to continue to contribute. When it comes to the Bryan Kreutz material, I'm going to suggest that you at least back-burner that effort. This isn't just because I think that those pages should not exist at this point, but because:

You seem to he getting het up and emotional on this topic in a way that is doing your best work, and which has given you trouble understanding people's responses. As a writer I can tell you that the best way to deal with a problem piece is often to go ahead and write something else instead. At the very least, doing so will give you some perspective if and when you come back to the thing that's giving you problems.
The Kreutz material has a bad history that has some of your fellow editors (myself included) particularly concerned about it. If you look at the history of the Kreutz articles, some of them were created by a user whose username suggests they were Kreutz themselves, and by other editors who appeared to have a direct relationship with the subject. The article Bryan Kreutz had been created and deleted twice before your efforts (here's the deletion discussion.) As such, it has both gained attention and lost the benefit of the doubt. Now, I don't know if you have any connection to Kreutz (if you do, please read over our guidelines on handling conflicts of interest), but the tradition os such editing certainly leaves people looking for undue inflation of him and his projects.
While you believe that the addition of those two sources should save the article, realize that at least three editors have looked at it after you brought up those sources, including two admins whom you selected, and all said no. As such, success is unlikely even were you able to continue your effort at this point, and trying to do so is likely to be a waste of both your own time and that of others.

So what can you do at this point to keep the option of working on Kreutz-related material in the future? Well, you can use the WP:REFUND system to try and get a copy of any deleted articles put into your "draft" space, where it's not part of the encyclopedia, but you can still edit it. Then, if there is some development that would make a significant change in his notability, you can update the article and submit it via the Articles For Creation process for reinclusion. Drafts will not, however, sit there forever; "stale" drafts get deleted. If you feel the need to deal with Kreutz topics, there are plenty of places on the Internet beyond Wikipedia. This is not meant to be The Only Place On The Internet.

But meanwhile, there are all sorts of articles that need creating, and most of what's on here could use improving and polishing. And if it gets to aggravating, take a break, get some sun, kiss whoever's appropriate, and deal with the many things in life that are actually more important than Wikipedia. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I see that you have now entered the talk page of the owner of the bot that tagged for for deleting the AFD notice. The bot wasn't malfunctioning, it was doing exactly what it was supposed to do. Having said that, if your concern is having the warning on your talk page, the solution is simple: Delete it. That warning was meant to educate you, and deleting it is an indication that you've seen it. There are a few sorts of things that you're not supposed to delete from your talk page (such as notices that your account has been blocked), but a warning like that is not one of them. Your talk page largely belongs to you. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:48, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@NatGertler: Yes, I definitely want to contribute. I’ll back-burner the Kreutz material for the time being. That is completely agreed as i’m following much of his career progression, but it’s emotionally driven on the topic like you said. Those pages should improve as his movies and career progress.

I’m very surprised, that the Kreutz material has a history that has some concerns. I didn’t know I was the 3rd to try to create the article. I knew there was at least 1 other time of the article being created, kind of interesting since he’s so big in St. Louis and in the family and faith genre nationwide and now moving into mainstream film. I don't know Kreutz personally, but I know people who have met him in passing before. I truly did believe that the addition of those two sources should save the article for at least a user draft polish, but I do appreciate your advice and direction to back-burner it for a while. I will definitely use your recommended WP:REFUND system to try for a copy of the deleted articles. I’ve heard based upon the direction of his career and him moving to the West Coast that the development would make a significant change in the precious Wikipedia notability. You’re a truly awesome editor and I only wish there was a way I could assist you for being so straightforward and helpful each step of the evolution process to better articles. Do you have any other ideas on sites that I could write Kreutz or entertainment articles on similar to Wikipedia?

I have deleted that warning BOT and I’m sure the talk page owner is thinking I’m a new dunce in my own corner of Wikipedia. I’ve been educated to the nth degree there. Laugh if you like. --

Please send my way suggestions on Wikipedia articles that need creating or use improving? I was doing some Trek the Next Generation for a bit of polishing and that was mildly entertaining. Please accept my most genuine compliments for being so kind. Your phrase is taken to heart. I will get some sun, kiss that appropriate someone, and I especially like this catchphrase >> deal with the many things in life that are actually more important than Wikipedia. Techform (talk) 23:21, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Every experienced editor was a new editor at some point, and almost all made mistaken assumptions about how things work. As such, scaring away people who are making beginner's mistakes is a bad idea. I made mistakes. I created an article or two that were rightly deleted. I am far from the best editor, but I am better than I was.

There are a number of ways of finding articles that need creation or improving. A few are:

Go to Wikipedia:Requested articles - there are lists of articles grouped by category that people have asked to be created. So go to a category that interests you... although the first thing you will have to do is to judge whether the request was correct, whether the topic really meets our notability guidelines. (Many, you will find, are people asking for an article to be written about themselves, their band, whatever.) And if so, you can get the article started. Even a stub - a very short article with just enough detail to identify the topic and why it's notable, and enough references to verify notability - is a good start. (You know how if you put a grain of sand into an oyster, it gets irritated and starts making a pearl? A stub is like that. Get that online, and other editors are likely to find and improve them.
Go to Special:NewPages, which is a list of the latest pages added to Wikipedia. Flip to the second or third page, so you're not dealing with pages that a new editor is in the midst of creating, and there's also a lot of people trying to check the latest pages for ones that should be deleted. Anyway, many new pages are created by new editors who aren't real sure what they are doing, and even a relatively inexperienced editor, you'll see things you can improve, whether getting them closer to standard Wikipedia format, smoothing over problem English, etc. (If you're into it, there's the New Page Patrol, a somewhat formalized system where you can check all the most important things, such as notability, blatant copyright infringement, etc., and either tag them for the problems or mark it as basically okay (that doesn't mean that the article will not eventually fall prey to some deletion process, but a lot of the worst offenders get caught at this stage.)
A good way to think of articles is to wonder about what might be unrepresented. Topics like Star Trek obviously draw a lot of interest, and Star Trek has a long history of being well-documented (way back to Bjo Trimble's Star Trek Concordance), but other things are less a matter of fan interest. People love trains more than sanitation systems, for example. And women in various fields are less represented than men (although that is tied to a history of less documentation that make it harder to get adequate reference; and academic fields have their own guidelines that you'd have to get to understand.)
If you know a foreign language, that's a great opportunity. Foreign language Wikipedias have plenty of articles particularly on people and places of that language. Notability doesn't have to be notable-in-the-English-speaking-world to be included in the English Wikipedia (which isn't to say that there aren't things in those foreign Wikipediae that wouldn't qualify as notable under the English Wikipedia guidelines; each language has their own set of guidelines.)

You may find certain things you like to do, and other things you don't bother with. Any edit that improves is a good edit, even if it doesn't make things perfect. I do a lot of niggly little edits - correcting punctuation placement, removing the word "currently" where it's unneeded (almost everywhere), marking or fixing reference links that are no longer online, and so forth. Some people prefer to do the big building, some do the little things. It all works toward building the encyclopedia.

And if you have any specific questions, feel free to post a message on User talk:NatGertler.

Peace to you. --Nat Gertler (talk) 06:29, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm here - just a quick technical correction on something that you said elsewhere. You referred to Duffbeerforme (talk · contribs) deleting the High Ground page for copyright violation. That's not quite what happened. Duff marked that page for Speedy Deletion, but as "spam" - i.e., a page that was only there to promote the topic, not copyright violation. It was another editor, administrator Jimfbleak (talk · contribs), who then checked the article and actually deleted it, marking the reason as being copyright violation rather than spam. --Nat Gertler (talk) 06:39, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you NatGertler. Oh Yes, the Star Trek world and that name Bjo Trimble, the lady who saved the series, are often niche, but its a long history like you said. I will review the Wikipedia requested articles and see if I can fit one or two of them in. I'm afraid to edit some articles, as it appears the month of February would scare any Wikipedia new user like me away for good. I've touched so many articles that fell under the aforementioned category that are now crumbled to non-existence. Only to have help from only you and no other editors or admins. Truthfully i'm in a position now with virtually nothing left of my own written articles and I don't know if i'm doing it right when you referred to short articles written about people even a stub to detail and identify the topic and why it's notable, and having enough references for notability verification. Prior to this last month I though I did that to some degree of success for 2016 up until February, the month of hell here. I even inadvertently took down articles not written by me that were somewhat related and crumbled. I'll be sure to post a message to your page should I have any questions. Lastly i'm not fully following you in that are you suggesting I reach out to the copyright violation admin Jimfbleak to ask that he restore Up on High Ground User:Techform/Up on High Ground (TV series) or should I take the same route and wait for User DeltaQuad to reply to my ask of her to restore the page to main-space once she reviews? --Techform (talk) 22:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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About Up on High Ground[edit]

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Proposed deletion of Up on High Ground[edit]

The article Up on High Ground has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This is a failed Articles for Creation submission that the creator copy-paste moved here the day that the AFC was rejected. So inappropriate article already rejected, inappropriate copy-paste.

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