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Julia A. Tevis painting
Have a look at what Chris says about it re: PD. We hope (talk) 14:08, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- We hope you rock! Thanks for following up with him. I totally appreciate your efforts as it is so out of my realm. If in your searches, you ever run across pictures of Maymie de Mena that would be awesome. I've nominated her for good article, but for the life of me cannot find any UNIA pictures after she joined or other pictures of her. SusunW (talk) 15:38, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- Just a thought-have you tried the passport collections at Family Search? She may have a photo there. Anything you would find should be PD via it being a USG prepared document. Seeing the visa photo got me thinking. ;) We hope (talk) 15:50, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- We hope I did that, with every name configuration I could think of. After-the-fact, I thought to check where their records are from. They only have US, Portuguese and Spanish passports. Unfortunately, she was Nicaraguan and Jamaican, having lost her US citizenship when she married "foreigners". If we had more issues of the black press on-line, I might have better success, but as it stands, really hard to find her even in the press. SusunW (talk) 16:07, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- Here's the credit for the book photo-June 1925 US Immigration and Naturalization Service. That makes it PD because it was a USG prepared document. I think it would fall under State Department, the same as US passports. :-D We hope (talk) 16:19, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- We hope I was totally unsure. The portrait says Visa portrait, but doesn't say from where and I can't read the embossed text. I can only make out what looks like C * S U, which meant diddly squat to me. This is why I leave it up to you experts and mostly load stuff as fair use. :) SusunW (talk) 16:33, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- And you couldn't make it out based on that. I got the info from the book's credits at the link above. After you said she was no longer a US citizen, I thought the visa, then, would be for entry to the US, so I went to the book to try looking at the image credits. ;) We hope (talk) 16:39, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- We hope I was totally unsure. The portrait says Visa portrait, but doesn't say from where and I can't read the embossed text. I can only make out what looks like C * S U, which meant diddly squat to me. This is why I leave it up to you experts and mostly load stuff as fair use. :) SusunW (talk) 16:33, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- Here's the credit for the book photo-June 1925 US Immigration and Naturalization Service. That makes it PD because it was a USG prepared document. I think it would fall under State Department, the same as US passports. :-D We hope (talk) 16:19, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- We hope I did that, with every name configuration I could think of. After-the-fact, I thought to check where their records are from. They only have US, Portuguese and Spanish passports. Unfortunately, she was Nicaraguan and Jamaican, having lost her US citizenship when she married "foreigners". If we had more issues of the black press on-line, I might have better success, but as it stands, really hard to find her even in the press. SusunW (talk) 16:07, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- Just a thought-have you tried the passport collections at Family Search? She may have a photo there. Anything you would find should be PD via it being a USG prepared document. Seeing the visa photo got me thinking. ;) We hope (talk) 15:50, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- We hope you rock! Thanks for following up with him. I totally appreciate your efforts as it is so out of my realm. If in your searches, you ever run across pictures of Maymie de Mena that would be awesome. I've nominated her for good article, but for the life of me cannot find any UNIA pictures after she joined or other pictures of her. SusunW (talk) 15:38, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
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Can you help me with another page? I thought I had enough information about notability, I added more this morning, how do I get it reviewed so they take off the notability question at the top? I am still learning, Sausalitoarchitect (talk) 18:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- Sausalitoarchitect In every article, the first thing I do is say why something is notable. Obviously, the claim must be sourced, but something like, it is on the registry of national historic places, it is noted as one of the best examples of XXX style of architect XXX, it was the first xxx, it was featured in xxx magazine, etc. Claims of notability must show that it is not just another house or a common, routine structure that any other would substitute for. I see that there is a link to the National Registry of Historic places, but when I pull up the link, it is blank. Could be because I live in Mexico and it is blocked. Is the house on the registry? SusunW (talk) 18:37, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- Sausalitoarchitect, can you pull something from this to prove why it's unique/notable? [1] SusunW (talk) 19:05, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- Sausalitoarchitect In every article, the first thing I do is say why something is notable. Obviously, the claim must be sourced, but something like, it is on the registry of national historic places, it is noted as one of the best examples of XXX style of architect XXX, it was the first xxx, it was featured in xxx magazine, etc. Claims of notability must show that it is not just another house or a common, routine structure that any other would substitute for. I see that there is a link to the National Registry of Historic places, but when I pull up the link, it is blank. Could be because I live in Mexico and it is blocked. Is the house on the registry? SusunW (talk) 18:37, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Pulled some notes from that article and revised the intro - is that better? It is listed in a application to the NPS for resources designed by Bruce Goff (multiple property listing)Sausalitoarchitect (talk) 20:39, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- Sausalitoarchitect Look at my edit (and I removed the notability tag). It is notable because it is unique. I'd also add to that that it has been nominated in a multiple property listing for the NRHP of the designs of Goff, and using that source as your citation. Since I cannot see that reference, I have no idea what it says. I even tried to access it through wayback, to no avail. SusunW (talk) 21:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks SusunW for helping with the article by your adding an assertion of notability just now. Coincidentally I was editing there too. I added to the article all that i think is usable from the NRHP document, which is available to me at https://npgallery.nps.gov/pdfhost/docs/NRHP/Text/64500490.pdf when I use MicroSoft Edge browser but which gives me gibberish when I use Chrome browser. The NRHP document is a study of Goff's works in Oklahoma to determine which of those should be NRHP-listed in Oklahoma only, and it does not explicitly determine eligibility of the Mitchell House which is in Kansas. Although the author expresses dislike for the Mitchell House, I think they would have agreed it was eligible because of its integrity, but that is just my speculation. Thanks again.
- To Sausalitoarchitect, you did good by asking SusunW to help! --doncram 21:19, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks doncram. How the heck do you tell WP to open it only with edge? I tried firefox and chrome. As you said, chrome was gibberish and firefox was completely blank. I CAN see it in edge. o.0 SusunW (talk) 21:28, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- I have wondered how the issue could be identified for readers. It's a problem for all or almost all of the "multiple property submission" or "multiple resource area" documents at the National Park Service (most of which are listed at wp:MPS), but not for most of the regular NRHP documents for individual properties and historic districts at the National Park Service. It is obviously browser-dependent and may be something that gets resolved by the browsers changing themselves eventually. I sort of think a template should be used to indicate the problem and to suggest MicroSoft Edge usage. Perhaps documents that read badly could be determined by a program somehow, or the marking of these MPS/MRA ones could be left to manual editing by adding a template. But actually I don't know where to start about asking for help to do anything about it. I think I mentioned the problem at WikiProject NRHP's Talk page already, but no one there knows what to do or at least no one commented, if i recall correctly. Any suggestion? --doncram 21:43, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Doncram and Sausalitoarchitect: It IS saved in Wayback [2] on archive date 7 February 2017 and that is only viewable on edge too. Perhaps you should put "|postscript=. only viewable with the edge browser." at the end of your citation? SusunW (talk) 21:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you SusunW for adding reference to the NRHP article to the article. I do swear I added one there and also at Bruce Goff, and further that I hit "Save", but my edits don't show. This discussion encouraged me to post at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Help re: references to NRHP documents readable in Microsoft Edge but not Chrome or Netscape, where there has been helpful discussion. --doncram 02:13, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Doncram: Not being the least bit technically astute, I opted for the only solution I knew that would allow someone to see it. I went back and checked another recent link I had from the National Parks, for Science Hill School (Shelbyville, Kentucky) and couldn't read it either except in Edge. So...I added the postscript. At least we have a work around until someone can figure it out. SusunW (talk) 03:11, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you SusunW for adding reference to the NRHP article to the article. I do swear I added one there and also at Bruce Goff, and further that I hit "Save", but my edits don't show. This discussion encouraged me to post at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Help re: references to NRHP documents readable in Microsoft Edge but not Chrome or Netscape, where there has been helpful discussion. --doncram 02:13, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Doncram and Sausalitoarchitect: It IS saved in Wayback [2] on archive date 7 February 2017 and that is only viewable on edge too. Perhaps you should put "|postscript=. only viewable with the edge browser." at the end of your citation? SusunW (talk) 21:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- I have wondered how the issue could be identified for readers. It's a problem for all or almost all of the "multiple property submission" or "multiple resource area" documents at the National Park Service (most of which are listed at wp:MPS), but not for most of the regular NRHP documents for individual properties and historic districts at the National Park Service. It is obviously browser-dependent and may be something that gets resolved by the browsers changing themselves eventually. I sort of think a template should be used to indicate the problem and to suggest MicroSoft Edge usage. Perhaps documents that read badly could be determined by a program somehow, or the marking of these MPS/MRA ones could be left to manual editing by adding a template. But actually I don't know where to start about asking for help to do anything about it. I think I mentioned the problem at WikiProject NRHP's Talk page already, but no one there knows what to do or at least no one commented, if i recall correctly. Any suggestion? --doncram 21:43, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks doncram. How the heck do you tell WP to open it only with edge? I tried firefox and chrome. As you said, chrome was gibberish and firefox was completely blank. I CAN see it in edge. o.0 SusunW (talk) 21:28, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- Sausalitoarchitect Look at my edit (and I removed the notability tag). It is notable because it is unique. I'd also add to that that it has been nominated in a multiple property listing for the NRHP of the designs of Goff, and using that source as your citation. Since I cannot see that reference, I have no idea what it says. I even tried to access it through wayback, to no avail. SusunW (talk) 21:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Massaquoi birth date
Hi, I see at Talk:Fatima_Massaquoi that you spoke out for a birth year of 1904 because "SHE says she was born in 1904". You did not give the source for that. Moreover - even if she wrote it - can it be misprinted or miscalculated? If she was born 1904 she would have come to Hamburg age 18. No regular school (and St Angar -not "Anschar"- was a private school within the regular system) would have taken her in at that age in a low class when everybody else graduated at 17/18. I cannot open all of the book in google but i see nowwhere that a large age gap was anything of a problem, herself in a class of small kids.
Besides Smyke writes "Fatima was born on 25 December, 1912. " He gives some more details, eg. page 52 Fatima giving a lesson at age 15 in Vai class replacing her father who was traveling outside Hamburg - so she was 15 before 1929 (when the father left Hamburg) which does not work if she had been born in 1904. page 60 Smyke mentions that she was 51 years old in 1964. His essay seems well researched (even with some small mistakes I recognize when he writes about her German years - like misspelling of Ansgar, description of the Menschheitspartei...)
Another detail I have is the autobio of Hans Juergen Massaquoi who remembers his aunt as a young women in her early Twenties visiting him and and his mother in their small flat which must have been in the years after 1933 maybe even later. Moreover the article claims she graduated in medicine from university of Hamburg around 1937 (!) which is highly unprobable and only mentioned in the society page of that American newspaper but nowhere else. Invite your comment. Kipala (talk) 19:14, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- I have no idea when she was actually born. Massaquoi gave the date in her autobiography. In addition an analysis of the date is done on page 13 of the autobiography [3], see item #18. I'm not sure that I understand what you are asking about the school, I have no idea what the entry criteria for the school might have been nor what its name is. Smyke (you must download and open the PDF) gives the name St. Anscar Hohere Mädchenschule as the place of her schooling. See page 52. Lacking any other source, this is the name we used in the article. Same source also discusses that she attended medical school between 1935 and 1937, so her graduation is not improbable nor is her medical school solely discussed in one source. The dates are on page 71 for an overview of her education. We follow sources, original research is not allowed on Wikipedia, so we have to give the information the source uses, as long as the source is reliable. If you have a reliable source, which meets WikiPedia criteria, feel free to make additions and changes. Anyone is welcome to contribute. SusunW (talk) 19:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Susun, thx for fast reply. I added some argument on the talk page after posting here. I cannot access the page you sent me, tried before. I have evaluated Smyke whom you used. He gives the school name not as "Anscar" but "Anschar" which does not exist in German (St Ansgar being founding saint of Hamburg episcopal see, I just now see that "Anschar" seems to be a British spelling of his name). Else he looks sensible, and if she writes she was born in 1904 he writes it was 1912 and this makes sense with other details he gives. (see discussion page). When we see contradicting sources or obvious contradictions in a story we should try to get to the ground as far as possible.
Helene-Lange-Schule (their homepage with a school history is on the internet, in German) was a regular high school for girls. No way for a 31-year-old to graduate there as a regular student. Ok, we have to settle for side-by side. Kipala (talk) 22:16, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Kupala Sorry I cannot help more. The thing with Google books is we all seem to be able to see different pages. I am in Mexico. What I can see is different than what Ian can see in Luxembourg or Rosie can see in California, and apparently what you see wherever you are. I think it odd, but don't know how to change it. I don't speak German, so I have no idea what the name is. Ian typically reviews German sourcing, as I can only speculate based upon translation program. Page 13, note #18 of the source above says missionary reports stated her birth year was 1911 or 1912 but given that he “ruled Gallinas from about 1902/03 to 1906 when he fell out with the British colonial administration in Sierra Leone and was forced from the throne. He then crossed into Liberia and for the next quarter of a century held important government positions. If Fatima was born when Momolu was ruler of Gallinas, and if she was about two years old when her father sent her away because of problems he was having with the British colonial administration, then the more likely year of birth is ca. 1904.” That explanation made logical sense and seemed to put to bed any contradictions. SusunW (talk) 22:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, google books can be funny, if you come back from a different IP you may see different pages.. Now is this note text by her herself or by an editor? Smykes looks pretty diligent to me, we have a contradiction, his details tally with the school career, 1904 does not. Besides I would take out the completed medical studies at Hamburg university. There is no university which has a (under?)-2-years course in medicine (Germany did not have bachelor studies until very recently, university was always at least 4-year courses after 13 years of school, medicine traditonally longer). It seems she started and Smykes shows clearly on page 71 she did not finish ("dash" between Abitur and B.A.) She does not say herself? A complete medical education would very much be something to be mentioned. But sorry, the society news of a provincial newspaper does not look reliable to me against the time schedule (1935 Abitur - 1937 leaving Germany) and Smykes as source.Kipala (talk) 23:14, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Kupala Sorry I cannot help more. The thing with Google books is we all seem to be able to see different pages. I am in Mexico. What I can see is different than what Ian can see in Luxembourg or Rosie can see in California, and apparently what you see wherever you are. I think it odd, but don't know how to change it. I don't speak German, so I have no idea what the name is. Ian typically reviews German sourcing, as I can only speculate based upon translation program. Page 13, note #18 of the source above says missionary reports stated her birth year was 1911 or 1912 but given that he “ruled Gallinas from about 1902/03 to 1906 when he fell out with the British colonial administration in Sierra Leone and was forced from the throne. He then crossed into Liberia and for the next quarter of a century held important government positions. If Fatima was born when Momolu was ruler of Gallinas, and if she was about two years old when her father sent her away because of problems he was having with the British colonial administration, then the more likely year of birth is ca. 1904.” That explanation made logical sense and seemed to put to bed any contradictions. SusunW (talk) 22:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- BTW: according to the legend of the image of Momolu_massaquoi_1905.jpg on the page he was crowned king in 1905 (with a very British looking crown..). But that does not help either. Pls check my changes. Kipala (talk) 23:20, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Kipala The citational note was by the editor of her biography and the question is not when he was crowned, but when he was ousted. She states she left when her father had his British trouble and she was around 2. “At the time, when I was 18 months or two years old, father was having trouble with the British government and did not want mother and me around.” p 22 If he was ousted in 1906, how could she have been born there in 1911 or 1912? I truly don't know. If she states she had a medical degree in the biography, I cannot see it, but again, limited pages mean we can only cite what we can access. If you are going to change the date, which I am not convinced should be changed, you need to change it throughout, not just in the lede. Maybe the best solution is to include both dates and a note about what you see as controversy. His article doesn't say when he was ousted, so I have no idea when it actually occurred, but the editor of her biography states that was in 1906. SusunW (talk) 23:42, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Kipala in [4] this source, Momolu himself states in a 1912 letter, "I was deposed by the British Government in 1906". Thus it seems clear that if indeed she was born in Sierra Leone, it was not in 1911 or 1912. SusunW (talk) 00:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Susun, this sounds like a logical assumption but I cannot see the part in her own words. Is it correct that the quote from page 13 you kindly copied are not her own words but those of the editors? In that case it is the editors vs Smyke concerning the birth year, and also the birth place. I have no no judgement on the birth place from the little i can see. just for birth year and date Smyke's presentation is consistent.Kipala (talk) 07:50, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Kipala Those are her words. As I said, I have no idea either. But given the editor's statement that the 1911/1912 was a recording by missionaries, we know that was an after-the-fact recordation. Hers and her father's statement seem to point clearly to an earlier date. I not so troubled by the rest of her timeline not fitting a normal trajectory. Women's timelines, especially those who lived in uncertain and times fraught with upheaval often had to find ways to work around systems which barred or delayed their participation. SusunW (talk) 14:32, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Susun, this sounds like a logical assumption but I cannot see the part in her own words. Is it correct that the quote from page 13 you kindly copied are not her own words but those of the editors? In that case it is the editors vs Smyke concerning the birth year, and also the birth place. I have no no judgement on the birth place from the little i can see. just for birth year and date Smyke's presentation is consistent.Kipala (talk) 07:50, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Kipala in [4] this source, Momolu himself states in a 1912 letter, "I was deposed by the British Government in 1906". Thus it seems clear that if indeed she was born in Sierra Leone, it was not in 1911 or 1912. SusunW (talk) 00:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Kipala The citational note was by the editor of her biography and the question is not when he was crowned, but when he was ousted. She states she left when her father had his British trouble and she was around 2. “At the time, when I was 18 months or two years old, father was having trouble with the British government and did not want mother and me around.” p 22 If he was ousted in 1906, how could she have been born there in 1911 or 1912? I truly don't know. If she states she had a medical degree in the biography, I cannot see it, but again, limited pages mean we can only cite what we can access. If you are going to change the date, which I am not convinced should be changed, you need to change it throughout, not just in the lede. Maybe the best solution is to include both dates and a note about what you see as controversy. His article doesn't say when he was ousted, so I have no idea when it actually occurred, but the editor of her biography states that was in 1906. SusunW (talk) 23:42, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- BTW: according to the legend of the image of Momolu_massaquoi_1905.jpg on the page he was crowned king in 1905 (with a very British looking crown..). But that does not help either. Pls check my changes. Kipala (talk) 23:20, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
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- I just reread Maymie's article and took pause. Susun, you are such a great writer! Thank you for what you do (all that research) and, really, just for being you. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:37, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Rosiestep Thank you. Truly, that means a lot, especially from you, who I admire. I really do try to focus on women who have been lost but were significant. De Mena was one of those--head of an organization of that size and so little known about her. I hope that Courtney Morris, who ferreted out Maymie's story, really is able to do that full biography she is working on. Writing her back into history and sharing her story is so very, very important, IMO. Women weren't passive participants throughout history. They were active participants and I think our daughters need to see that. SusunW (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi, apologies if you're busy, but I was wondering if you could scrape together more on her? She isn't well known, but I think enough appearances to qualify and we're better off having an article on her. I'm not sure on the trinidad nationality and c, 1902 birth date but seems likely as Donald Heywood, whom I also started was from Trinidad, and worked with her and she's mentioned in a few Trinidad calypso sources. I picked up a database which said a Hilda Perleno born c. 1902, but can't be certian it's her. That sort of birth year would be about right I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:07, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
- Dr. Blofeld I'm thinking she is American. Looks like her dad was Spanish [5], but this is pretty clearly her. One says she was born in Illinois, the other says Missouri, but both confirm ca. 1903 [6]. It may take me a bit to look further for sources, I'm in the middle of a muralist, but, I'll come back to her. [7] SusunW (talk) 22:41, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I just changed it, I think the St Clair, Illinous residence in 1920 is right. 1903 sounds right. No rush, but this is definitely one of those which need detective work! Not a bad start though. There's tons of missing women bios in all those old impressario directories. Sometime I must get some cheaply on Amazon and try to identify more read links!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:47, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
- Dr. Blofeld I saw you have WeHope checking newspapers.com. So, I looked at newspaperarchive.com. Not much there. pt 1 and pt 2, [8], you might also look at this black newspaper (no hits for Perleno all for Perlino). She was the lead in Messing Around, with Fats Waller on the keyboards. [9] Still working on my muralist, but hoping this helps a bit. SusunW (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. yeah it's only scraps, doubt much more can be found.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:05, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
- Dr. Blofeld Would that we had access to the black press archives. I have no doubt we would find much more info on her. She attended Howard University, I also find snippets that she worked with Blanche Calloway into the 1940s. Will keep checking in on it. SusunW (talk) 15:57, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Up to you, only when you finish the other article :-).♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:02, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Dr. Blofeld Would that we had access to the black press archives. I have no doubt we would find much more info on her. She attended Howard University, I also find snippets that she worked with Blanche Calloway into the 1940s. Will keep checking in on it. SusunW (talk) 15:57, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
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It doesn't look like much from the outside and it can be a time-consuming affair to search, but many times you can find a copy of what you need there, when every other resource has let you down. It's mainly NYS papers, but some others like Pittsburgh Courier, etc. are also included. Was just recently here and found the information re: Hilda Perleno's radio work there. We hope (talk) 18:44, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
- The only other "ouch" is that the URLs generated there are as long as 10 freight trains. :-) We hope (talk) 18:58, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Nina Simonovich-Efimova
Rather than paper Ipigott's TP with links, etc. I'm here to do it to yours. :-D We hope (talk) 16:11, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:McFarland Register here and ask for this title. It has a section on her and I think you'd be able to put the book to even more good use. McFarland will deliver the book in eBook PDF format to your e-mail address if you like.
- JSTOR has more. I don't have a subscription (they've been on waiting list ever since I can remember), but someone who does would be able to give you a hand with getting the information.
- Minnesota Star Tribune
- French National Library Holdings discussed are mainly in English
- Adventures of a Russian Puppet Theatre Her 1935 book reprinted (in English). No idea what it would take to get B&N to mail it to you.
- The Gigantic Turnip
- Article with some background.
- artwork
- artwork 2
- page 5 Top one is from 1920-should be able to be uploaded here under "1923-abroad" license. Can't have it at Commons because she died less than 70 years ago.
- art article
- Illustrator of Russian Children's Magazine 1925
- We hope Woo hoooooooooo! I have jstor if you ever need it (and Muse, Cambridge and OUP) I take advantage of all I can since I have no access to libraries here. They are all private, in Spanish and don't lend. SusunW (talk) 16:19, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- And now, in case you haven't heard it all, she has a crater named for her on Venus. page 6 Efimova This is an official USG publication so it's not someones wishful thinking. ;) We hope (talk) 16:25, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
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Wonderful job, there is not much I can add (I couldn't find the date of her marriage, neither). I can only suggest you nominate the article for front-page exposure at WP:DYK. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:58, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking it over, as I said, I am never sure about the names. I don't do DYK anymore, but I truly appreciate your input. SusunW (talk) 14:52, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
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I nominated an article that you started at DYK - Template:Did you know nominations/Elena Georgieva. SL93 (talk) 19:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi hi, hoping to take you up on an offer of assistance--lo and behold, the draft that you and Netherzone so kindly advised on (and Netherzone worked on directly) back in February is now languishing in the "very old" bin at AfC. I reached out again to the first reviewer, but haven't gotten a response. Any thoughts on how to proceed? I worry it's gotten into a paradoxical situation where there's actually so much sourcing, no AfC reviewer much wants to read through them all to try to figure out why it would have been declined in the first place! Thanks so much for any guidance you might have. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:41, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- Innisfree987 Plenty of RS, over time to establish notability. All of the articles are substantially about her, not just one-liners. I've copyedited it to remove promotionalism. As an businesswoman, there will always be some of that, it's inherent, IMO. I also took out the quotes as being non-encyclopedic. I reduced the list of awards to text and kept only those that are in themselves notable. Often, women become targets at AfD because the claim is their awards are not notable in themselves. I also took out ages, as being irrelevant, and moved the section at the end, personal life to her early life. One cannot usually separate the personal life from the career, since they happen simultaneously and impact each other. (Maybe that's just my POV?) Anyway, good job. Moved it to main space. SusunW (talk) 14:46, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks so much for all of your work on the article--it looks much better now! Greatly appreciated your help. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:10, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- Innisfree987 you did all the heavy lifting, so to speak. I just tweaked it a bit. Anything to get it out of the quagmire of AfC ;) Anytime you need help, just holler and I'll give it a shot. If I don't know how to help, I usually know someone who can. SusunW (talk) 18:19, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- I will definitely take you up on this! Thanks so much. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- The article looks great! If there is a copyright free photo you can upload to Commons, I'm happy to move it to the article. Netherzone (talk) 22:01, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- I will definitely take you up on this! Thanks so much. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- Innisfree987 you did all the heavy lifting, so to speak. I just tweaked it a bit. Anything to get it out of the quagmire of AfC ;) Anytime you need help, just holler and I'll give it a shot. If I don't know how to help, I usually know someone who can. SusunW (talk) 18:19, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks so much for all of your work on the article--it looks much better now! Greatly appreciated your help. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:10, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- Innisfree987 Plenty of RS, over time to establish notability. All of the articles are substantially about her, not just one-liners. I've copyedited it to remove promotionalism. As an businesswoman, there will always be some of that, it's inherent, IMO. I also took out the quotes as being non-encyclopedic. I reduced the list of awards to text and kept only those that are in themselves notable. Often, women become targets at AfD because the claim is their awards are not notable in themselves. I also took out ages, as being irrelevant, and moved the section at the end, personal life to her early life. One cannot usually separate the personal life from the career, since they happen simultaneously and impact each other. (Maybe that's just my POV?) Anyway, good job. Moved it to main space. SusunW (talk) 14:46, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
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Russian puppet theatre
I came across this article while looking for images. The Google translation is not too bad. It gives quite a bit of interesting background as well as one or two photographs which might be worth including in your article. It also cites a number of souces.--Ipigott (talk) 09:35, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks Ipigott. Love the pictures you added to her article! I am working on Ivan under the premise that since their lives were intertwined, maybe info on him will garner more information on her. We shall see. SusunW (talk) 16:25, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott this [10] could prove interesting, though it is somewhat frustrating that they have used many abbreviations. I even tried translating it to French and back to English, but I still cannot tell who taught the methodology of shadow puppets? between 1928 and 1940. I am thinking it refers to her, but am unsure. Also am unsure if the next line about interior design refers to him or her. SusunW (talk) 19:46, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, it's his wife in both cases. The same text is used in her biog on the Russian wiki.--Ipigott (talk) 09:47, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks. My bad, I never did go back and look at the Russian article. I remember when I started her there were no citations to any of the materials and the sourcing was sparse. I also found a treasure trove of stuff in Hathitrust, that I will read through today to see if any of it is new material. I am confused as to what license to use for pictures of her works. She hasn't been dead for more than 70 years, so any image, as I read it, has to be discussed in the piece to be used as fair use. Since I have very few specific details about any piece, I don't know how I can use them. But... I'm still working on it. Found an image in one of the Hathitrust articles and the book is PD. Not a great photo, but it is a photo. SusunW (talk) 15:25, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott Okay, I actually found a description of one of the silhouettes which made me think it was okay to use it. I also found a different picture in a PD source on Hathitrust that I think adds to illustrate her design innovations. Added quite a bit of text from these additional sources, so I am hopeful that you now find it more well-rounded. If you could perhaps give it a final once-over and advise if you think it is ready to be nominated for GA, I'd be most appreciative :) SusunW (talk) 21:43, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- I'll go through it carefully later today. Copyright law on old photographs is rather complex as you can see from this. In many cases, old photographs published in books, newspapers, etc., outside the United States are public domain. I always consider the EN Wikipedia as coming under U.s. law.--Ipigott (talk) 07:10, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott Thank you! Also thanks for the graphic, it is very helpful. I'm working on her mother's article, so that I think, will leave only one red link. SusunW (talk) 17:11, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- I've been through it all once again and think you can certainly submit it for GA.--Ipigott (talk) 07:54, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott Thank you! As always, it was a pleasure working with you. SusunW (talk) 13:56, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- My pleasure. My Russian is very rusty and I can help far more with sources in languages in which I am fluent. Ping me when it is picked up for GA review. I'll try to help out if there are queries you can't answer. I see there is no article on Russian puppet theater. We should try to put something together even if it is not restricted to women. In researching this one, we've turned up quite a few useful sources.--Ipigott (talk) 15:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott Yes, we should do a piece on Russian puppetry. I'll start it in a day or two. Need a break from all the translation stuff. ;) We got at least 4 article out of this one so far—her, her husband, her mom and her teacher. Not bad, I'd say. And thanks. If there are questions I'll let you know. SusunW (talk) 15:29, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott Yes, we should do a piece on Russian puppetry. I'll start it in a day or two. Need a break from all the translation stuff. ;) We got at least 4 article out of this one so far—her, her husband, her mom and her teacher. Not bad, I'd say. And thanks. If there are questions I'll let you know. SusunW (talk) 15:29, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- My pleasure. My Russian is very rusty and I can help far more with sources in languages in which I am fluent. Ping me when it is picked up for GA review. I'll try to help out if there are queries you can't answer. I see there is no article on Russian puppet theater. We should try to put something together even if it is not restricted to women. In researching this one, we've turned up quite a few useful sources.--Ipigott (talk) 15:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott Thank you! As always, it was a pleasure working with you. SusunW (talk) 13:56, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- I've been through it all once again and think you can certainly submit it for GA.--Ipigott (talk) 07:54, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott Thank you! Also thanks for the graphic, it is very helpful. I'm working on her mother's article, so that I think, will leave only one red link. SusunW (talk) 17:11, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- I'll go through it carefully later today. Copyright law on old photographs is rather complex as you can see from this. In many cases, old photographs published in books, newspapers, etc., outside the United States are public domain. I always consider the EN Wikipedia as coming under U.s. law.--Ipigott (talk) 07:10, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott Okay, I actually found a description of one of the silhouettes which made me think it was okay to use it. I also found a different picture in a PD source on Hathitrust that I think adds to illustrate her design innovations. Added quite a bit of text from these additional sources, so I am hopeful that you now find it more well-rounded. If you could perhaps give it a final once-over and advise if you think it is ready to be nominated for GA, I'd be most appreciative :) SusunW (talk) 21:43, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks. My bad, I never did go back and look at the Russian article. I remember when I started her there were no citations to any of the materials and the sourcing was sparse. I also found a treasure trove of stuff in Hathitrust, that I will read through today to see if any of it is new material. I am confused as to what license to use for pictures of her works. She hasn't been dead for more than 70 years, so any image, as I read it, has to be discussed in the piece to be used as fair use. Since I have very few specific details about any piece, I don't know how I can use them. But... I'm still working on it. Found an image in one of the Hathitrust articles and the book is PD. Not a great photo, but it is a photo. SusunW (talk) 15:25, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, it's his wife in both cases. The same text is used in her biog on the Russian wiki.--Ipigott (talk) 09:47, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott this [10] could prove interesting, though it is somewhat frustrating that they have used many abbreviations. I even tried translating it to French and back to English, but I still cannot tell who taught the methodology of shadow puppets? between 1928 and 1940. I am thinking it refers to her, but am unsure. Also am unsure if the next line about interior design refers to him or her. SusunW (talk) 19:46, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott started it here User:SusunW/Russian puppet theater SusunW (talk) 23:04, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Good start.--Ipigott (talk) 06:59, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott when you get around to it, I could use some direction and/or assistance. Kind of lost where to go with it and have no idea what to put in the lede/lead. SusunW (talk) 20:50, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
- SusunW: I'll probably have time to look at it tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 06:37, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott thanks! I am not sure if there should be a section discussing the puppets themselves either. People are much easier. They have a beginning and an end :) SusunW (talk) 14:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- You've already mentioned some types of puppets. I certainly think it would be worth repeating here some more of the developments undertaken by the Effimovs. It might also be interesting to discuss the state of the art today as well as international interest in Russian puppetry. See for example the long list here. The article is coming on very well. I don't think it will be difficult to put a lead together. There are already lots of interesting facts in the article.--Ipigott (talk) 17:09, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott thanks! I am not sure if there should be a section discussing the puppets themselves either. People are much easier. They have a beginning and an end :) SusunW (talk) 14:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- SusunW: I'll probably have time to look at it tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 06:37, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott when you get around to it, I could use some direction and/or assistance. Kind of lost where to go with it and have no idea what to put in the lede/lead. SusunW (talk) 20:50, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
- Good start.--Ipigott (talk) 06:59, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- I've been working on the lead. I think it contains most of the essentials but feel free to adjust it as you wish. I think it would be useful to move the article into the main space so that others can contribute too.--Ipigott (talk) 14:52, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the lede. I moved it to mainspace and tied it to Efimova's article. Hopefully others will pitch in :) SusunW (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for all your efforts. You've put together a very informative article. Can we find a few illustrations?--Ipigott (talk) 08:25, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- The pictures look great, Ian, I'm going to try to work up Yulia Leonidovna Slonimskaya Sazonova, Julie Sazonova, Yulia Leonidovna Slonimskaia Sazonova, Iulia Slonimskaia, Julia Sazonova-Slonimskaya, good lord the versions to her name are as numerous as the pilot we worked on. SusunW (talk) 14:31, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for all your efforts. You've put together a very informative article. Can we find a few illustrations?--Ipigott (talk) 08:25, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the lede. I moved it to mainspace and tied it to Efimova's article. Hopefully others will pitch in :) SusunW (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
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On 28 April 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Elena Georgieva, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the linguistic research of Elena Georgieva showed that Bulgarian word order may change based on the emphasis a speaker wants to convey? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Elena Georgieva. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Elena Georgieva), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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