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Beatles Discography[edit]

Greetings, fellow Beatlemaniac!  ;-)
I've noticed that you've done quite a bit of work on the Beatles Discography page in regards to the American LP releases. Would you mind if I fixed up/corrected the American Singles releases? There are a couple missing releases, and some errors in the "peak position" noted for some of the singles -- also, there's no indication (currently) on how the flip sides fared in the charts (for instance, Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields -- my data shows Penny Lane first (a side?) and Strawberry Fields second (b side?), and the line on the page shows it reached #1. Penny Lane reached #1 in the states, but Strawberry Fields only reached #8). I'd be happy to fix things up (I have all the Billboard Hot 100 chart data available), but we might want to look at how the Singles are handled (both US and UK) in terms of how to denote "B-Side" chart placement.
I considered changing it to something like: Penny Lane(#1) / Strawberry Fields (#2) - (Release Date) ...that'd work, but then the UK singles section should probably be changed to reflect the same format. ...and I don't have any UK chart data, so someone would have to do some UK chart research to fill that in -- I'd be happy to scour the web to see if I can find that stuff, but I don't have it at hand in printed format (as I do the US Billboard data). Let me know, here or via my talk page what you'd like... or, just to tell me "Hands Off, Bozo!"  ;-)
--Brian.D 21:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't entirely my work, but go ahead. I noticed that the original Vee-Jay release of the "Please Please Me" single needs correcting as it flopped and was not #3 which the 1964 reissue with "From Me To You" as the B-side was. Steelbeard1 23:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, exactly. There is also an omission in the first (4) singles released in the US, which I will add. I'm also thinking (perhaps to avoid confusion?) of adding the Label and # to the releases, which should make things flow better. Again, I don't (readily) have the UK release information at hand, but we can tackle that project next, I guess, eh? It may take me a day or two to get things straightened out and uploaded (or, maybe a fit of productivity will overcome me, who knows?), but I'll let you know when I've updated the page via a short message here. --Brian.D 00:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I've got the (correct) info [and why are people editing this category now, after I said I was (re-)working it?] laid out on my sandbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brian.D/Sandbox ...looks a bit busy, so I'm going to wikitable it...

-- Brian.D 01:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

...and, tablified! ;) -- Brian.D 02:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm getting the distinct feeling that my knowledge, references and contributions are not welcomed here, and that the work I'm doing is being ignored and/or reverted. I certainly didn't mean to step on any toes. Let me know if you'd like me to continue, or simply bow out. -- Brian.D 03:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't see your singles table template until I saw it in your own page. I don't know who is reverting it, but I can say that the table needs more refinement. In fact, I've been correcting some factual errors in the USA singles list the past couple of days. Have the senior Beatle article editors contacted you about your ideas? Steelbeard1 03:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree -- definitely needs refinement; I just haven't had the time in the past few days to dedicate to it. The factual errors I saw there were the reason I thought to do anything in the first place. ...adding in the labels/numbers keeps it more in line with the way the albums are presented, I think. No, none of the senior editors have contacted me about anything, as yet... but I'm here and ready to listen.  ;) -- Brian.D 05:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please have a look at the updated formatting of the proposed change in my sandbox. If everyone's happy with the look/feel of things, I'll do up the UK Singles in the same style (for continuity). I've also asked kingboyk to take a look at it, as well. -- Brian.D 02:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two things[edit]

Hi mate, two things:

  1. I've fixed your talk page and archives up for you. If you want to archive again in future and you want to do it by page move, move the talk page to User talk:Steelbeard1/archive3 and then edit the redirect at User talk:Steelbeard1. Or, ask myself, Lar or another admin to do it for you. You had a bit of a mess going on :)
  2. It's great to see you're still creating wonderful new Beatles-related articles. I've listed all I know about at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Log. Could you check that page please, and if there's any other Beatle-related articles you created since 4th March, please add them to the table. If you can't use the table-code, just put a note on the talk page saying the name of the article and somebody else (probably me) will add them. I'd be really grateful if you'd do the same in future, so I don't have to keep track of what you're up to :) It's no big deal, it's just nice for the Project to be able to look back and see what we've achieved.

Cheers! --kingboyk 16:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'm too shy to talk about myself, so that's why this page is as it is. Steelbeard1 17:19, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, nobody here knows your real identity (presumably), and we have to talk about things to make decisions and work together. I appreciate that you're not a trumpet blower though :) Anyway, would you bear in mind what I've asked and perhaps have a look at that list for me? Thanks. --kingboyk 17:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I did and it does cover all of my Beatle-related article creations. Thanks and you're welcome. Steelbeard1 17:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 2, June 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 2 – June 2006

Beatles News
  • Apple Corps v. Apple Computer. A case brought by Apple Corps against Apple Computer, regarding possible infringement of a previous agreement between the two parties in respect of distribution of music, was heard in a London High Court. The story made Wikipedia's front page due to a nomination by our own Kingboyk. The story had an amusing second wave in the news and on Wikipedia; be sure to read the article on Guy Goma if you missed it!
Project News
  • The Beatles article has been approved for inclusion in Wikipedia Version 0.5, making it one of the first 20 articles to be selected and the first in the Music category.
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Policy Talk, where some lively discussion has taken place regarding the (perennial) question of the capitalisation of the letter T in "The Beatles". After seeking the comments of Wikipedian third parties unrelated to the project, the proponents and opponents concluded that the current naming policy was correct. The discussion had the added bonus of bringing in some new members.
Member News
  • Project member (and "co-instigator" of The Beatles Project) Lar was made an Administrator. Project member Kingboyk (the other guilty party) has been awarded a Music Barnstar for his contributions, including his work within The Beatles Project, and has also stewarded the KLF article to Featured Article status this month. Sometimes-contributor ZincOrbie has also been awarded a Barnstar for his work on the Badfinger article. Congratulations to all!
Issue of the Month

The matter of the article History of the Beatles and the History section of the main article The Beatles continues to concern various editors, including DavidWBrooks and Vera, Chuck & Dave. Suggestions, comments, or help with the task would be much appreciated.

From the Editors

The Beatles have been in the real world news recently, but work on The Beatles Project continues as before. This newsletter keeps you up-to-date with what has been happening with the project and, perhaps more importantly, what needs to be done (see the "Issue of the Month" above and the "To Do List" below-left).

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3RR block[edit]

 You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

Naconkantari 19:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Steelbeard1, I'm sorry that you've temporarily been blocked. I've put Dick DeVos on my watchlist nad have offered to help work with you guys to make sure the edit wars cease and the article remains neutral. Next time, don't be afraid to ask for help earlier, there was no need to get blocked over this. But please don't take it too personally, I know you're a good editor that has made many great contributions. ++Lar: t/c 01:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I should be out of the penalty box later today. I'm sorry I got caught up in the revert war user:Envix started. Now that he has been exposed and the IP addresses assigned to the DeVos campaign have been banned for six months from posting in Wikipedia, we shouldn't expect any more problems. But we should still monitor the Dick DeVos web page as well as other political candidates' Wikipedia articles to make sure there's no attempts by political campaigns to control Wikipedia content. I'll express these same thoughts in the talk:Dick DeVos article when I'm out of the penalty box. Steelbeard1 15:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea. Blocks are preventative rather than punitive and I think you've taken on board that reverting just is a bad idea. Please feel free to ask for my help at any time (my email link works, or leave a message on talk) Do you want me to ask Naconkantari to lift your block early? ++Lar: t/c 16:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Lar. Please do. Steelbeard1 17:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, it looks like it ran out of its own accord before I got a chance to work through this and ask for it to be lifted early. But no matter, you're off block now. I saw your post at talk:Dick DeVos and concur with the desire to keep campaign related articles free of campaign related spin. ++Lar: t/c 19:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Early Tapes of The Beatles[edit]

Can you update your entries into one vote? I'm not sure what the policy is on voting because I've only been with Wikipedia for a few months and very rarely contribute and haven't read any policies on voting, but I think voting more than once would be acceptable anywhere (except in Iran j/k). --HResearcher 03:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Updated as per HReseacher's request. Steelbeard1 11:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 3, July 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 003 – July 2006

Beatles News
Project News
  • New article classification system, for our use and for Wikipedia 1.0. Very important and we need editor involvement. How can you help? Rate articles! It's easy:
    • Visit Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Article Classification and read about how to grade.
    • Visit Category:Unassessed Beatles articles and select an article to review.
    • After deciding what grade it should have, modify the invocation of {{WPBeatles}} on the talk page to add parms. The template itself gives you the parameters to use. For example, change {{WPBeatles}} to {{WPBeatles|B|Low}} if you think it's a low-importance, B-class article. Save your changes and make sure the talk page is now showing the ratings.
    • Click on the link in the template to edit the /comments subpage and explain why you rated the article the way you did. Don't forget to sign with ~~~~. Save that too.
    • Questions? Ask Kingboyk or Lar for help.
  • Want to stay up on new project developments? Watchlist all of the WikiProject pages plus The Beatles and each of the 4 members, to get a feel for what's happening. Also monitor and regularly review Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The Beatles articles by quality log. If an article is listed on there as "added", go check the article's history. If it's new since the Project began add it to the Project Log as a new article and up the counter by one :)
Member News
Issue of the Month

Preparing articles for inclusion in Wikipedia 1.0.

From the Editors

It was a bit of a struggle to get this month's newsletter done, as we did it without a lead editor. Hopefully, next month you'll jump in and be our lead editor. Big news is that WP:1.0 is coming along nicely and our article classification system has changed to conform to it.

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A favour to ask relating to WP:Beatles[edit]

Would you consider helping out with an important task? We need the comments made earlier migrated. See: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Beatles#Help_wanted which discusses the instructions for the task given here: Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Article Classification/Migrating. It would really help the project out a lot. Feedback on the instructions themselves gratefully received as well. Feel free to ask others for help. ++Lar: t/c 18:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

apology[edit]

Wow, I totally mis i.d. you with regard to the content. Sorry about that. David D. (Talk) 12:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Michigan gubernatorial election, 2006[edit]

Hi again steelbeard1, I think you may have misinterpreted my edit. Your recent edit here actually contradicts your edit summary. I had attempted to make the article more simple by firstly converting text into a table format, and then just removing all the poll data. I also provided a link to the appropriate place for such commentary. Your edit has added back the detail and removed the link, was this a mistake? David D. (Talk) 21:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It could be considered a mistake. The intent is simply to talk about the latest poll numbers. If you wanted more info, go to the article about the governor's race. Steelbeard1 08:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I can see that argument. In that case the older june polling data should be removed to make way for the july polls. I was worried it was starting to be come a whole paragraph that was just listing all the poll data. David D. (Talk) 14:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed the changes you made to the Dick DeVos article. I think that is a good move. David D. (Talk) 16:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A minor note (please feel free to remove): you didn't sign your warning, at User talk:31415. John Broughton 19:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I signed it after your reminder. Thanks, John. Steelbeard1 19:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hey guys! everything under control or do you need an admin to keep a more active eye again? I admit that some of these Michigan political articles have slipped off my radar of late... just LMK here. Thanks for your efforts to help keep the 'pedia free of POV... ++Lar: t/c 19:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for helping out, Lar. I added my input after your comments in the DeVos talk page. Steelbeard1 20:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 4, August 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 004 – August 2006

Issue of the Month

Despite it being the lead news article of last month, there is still help required in the assessing of articles and the migrating of comments. Lar is willing to provide assistance to those unsure how to do this.

Beatles News
  • The Beatles in the news. Suggestions: [2] [3]
Project News
  • The Beatles article, the "Flagship" of the Project, is currently under review with regard to its Featured Article status. It is hoped that the review will identify those areas that need some(/lots of) remedial work, and that the Project participants and those editors who are involved in the the FA admin pages to can work together to "save" the status of the article.
    • At the moment there is some discussion as to why it has been listed, and what may be needed to help it retain its FA status. It may well be that some work is going to be required in formulating a plan of action, and then some more in achieving those aims.
    • The FA status is obviously quite important to the Project, and it would be appreciated if participants are able to provide assistance in keeping the article up to standard. The editors would be grateful if those persons receiving this Newsletter could spare some of their time, energy and brainpower in keeping this jewel in our crown in its proper place. Please go to Wikipedia:Featured article review/The Beatles and get involved! Thank you.
Notable updates
Member News
From the Editors

As mentioned in the Project News section, The Beatles article has just been listed for a review of its Featured Article status. Working on this is quite important.

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Rubber Soul sleeve[edit]

I did this because the sleeve was too large; I was not aware that it was a separate sleeve. In any event, the sleeve needs to be resized to about 200x200. Ral315 (talk) 18:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 5, September 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 005 – September 2006

Beatles News
Project News
  • Unfortunately, the Featured Article badge on The Beatles was revoked. The article was immediately nominated for Good Article status, which it received later that same day. Project member Kingboyk said of the nomination, "I'm quite happy about it really, as I feel that GA is about where we're at and gives some incentive to work on the article."
  • We have a new category for Beatles articles needing attention. If you're looking for something to work on, the articles in this category and the subcategories need some TLC. To put an article in this category, tag its talk page with {{WPBeatles|attention=yes}}.
  • Kingboyk has given {{WPBeatles}} another major overhaul, and has assessed all of the Beatles articles. He would be grateful if other editors would leave comments on the state of articles, needed improvements and so on, by clicking the Comments link in the template. Also, feel free to revise the gradings—the assessments were done quickly, and article quality can change.
Member News
  • Liverpool Scouse has offered to take any desired pictures of the Liverpool area, upon request.
Issue of the Month

The featured article status of The Beatles was revoked.

From the Editors

A month of slow progress and some amazing efforts. Still need help getting comments shifted. Don't forget to log your accomplishments!

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Alanharris3[edit]

now now i didn't relize it was British spelling when i "corrected" it, you don't need to get all huffy puffy about it.Alanharris3 18:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)alanharris3[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 6, October 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 006 – October 2006

Beatles News
  • The site of the former Casbah Club, operated by Mona Best (mother of Pete) in the basement of her house, and where the nascent Beatles played and rehearsed, has been accorded Grade II Listed status following a recommendation by British Heritage.
Project News
  • Some Project articles are having their Featured Article status reviewed, and the comments are not encouraging. The articles are A Day in the Life and A Hard Day's Night (song). (She Loves You has already had its FA status revoked.) Please participate in the discussion and help improve the articles!
Member News
  • As usual, the self-effacing individuals who contribute to the Project are far too modest to mention any Barnstars or other awards they may have received. Obviously they feel their editing/contributing is reward enough.
Issue of the Month

The lead article of the Project recently lost its FA status, and now some of the other articles are being reviewed. Citations and references within articles are again the major concern. Contributors who have literature (books, magazines, links, etc.) are especially needed to provide the necessary citations. It is not enough for editors to know the facts; they need to be backed up by other sources. All help, both within the articles and the discussion, would be appreciated.

From the Editors

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Come back, Kingboyk! The children miss you!

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Dick DeVos[edit]

Done. Have semi-protected with note "Sprotecting to prevent further edit warring. Suggest this stay in place until Nov 7 elections" - I'll continue to keep an eye on it, let me know if you spot any further warring. Hope this helps and thanks for the heads up! Glen 01:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 7, November 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 007 – November 2006

Issue of the Month

Again, the issue of the month is inline citations. A Day in the Life, A Hard Day's Night (song), and Get Back have all been defeatured, as they failed to satisfy criterion 1(c) of What is a featured article?, and other song FAs are due for the chopping block. Inline citations are an important aspect of articles—they ensure verifiability and reliability, and they remove original research. Additionally, they give readers the option to read the original source material and view it within context.

Basically:

  1. All direct quotations attributed to Beatles members pooled from interviews need full inline citations.
  2. All critical comments about songs or albums need full inline citations to notable music critics, magazines opinions, or reviews, as opposed to being merely comments by Wikipedians.
  3. Inline citations need: author name, article name, publication date, and name of publication. Such info is still preferable even if quoting from an interview posted upon a website; when this is the case, place the URL link at the end of the citation with the date it was last accessed. (This will help editors retrieve the page using the Wayback Machine, should the link go dead in the future.)
Beatles News
  • The Beatles are due to release a soundtrack album, LOVE, at the end of November, as a companion to their Cirque du Soleil adaptation of the same name. It will feature remastered and remixed versions of their previously released songs, including some new medleys.
  • Paul's getting a divorce. Pain, arguing, and fighting abound.
Project News
  • The Wings tours are really nicely documented now (see Category:Wings tours), but Category:The Beatles tours is almost empty. Kingboyk and the rest of us would love to see (and read) articles on each Beatles tour, including the pre-fame tours of the UK—and the Hamburg trips, of course!
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Paul McCartney, involved in the Featured Article drive, as mentioned above.
Member News
  • Our project members are too modest to report any awards they may have given or received.
From the Editors

Wherever possible, editors should help to trim down on list-like prose within Beatles articles. They should convert list-like sections into fluent, cohesive prose which ties an article's sections together. Lists make articles disjointed, awkward, and difficult to read.

Be sure to take part in the Featured Article drive, and don't forget those inline citations!

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A Hard Day's Night (album)[edit]

Couldn't agree more, being British myself... however, they should also be GRAMMATICAL and trip off the tongue, so I'm changing it back to "while". Just say the sentence out loud to yourself both ways, my version makes more sense ;) no hard feelings. There's nothing particularly American about "while", anyway. Lost Number 19:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Love (Cirque du Soleil)[edit]

Note that Love (Cirque du Soleil) links to the show, NOT the album. I put the discography link back in though. Just64helpin 17:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's better. Steelbeard1 17:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Granholm picture[edit]

Unfortunately, the terms of distribution for this photo are too limited for our purposes. Unless the State of Michigan releases it under a different license, we'll need to remove it and replace it with a different one. —Chowbok ☠ 22:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about him. He is useless. 2gether4ever 21:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 8, December 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 008 – December 2006

Issue of the Month

Wikipedia's standards are improving all the time, with the result that many articles in The Beatles Wikiproject are being nominated for review of their FA and GA status - and many are losing that accolade. It is difficult, with such a large number of articles and the ease with which editors may make changes which are detrimental, to maintain the standard of articles, let alone improve them. As ever, members efforts are both appreciated and needed to keep the Project on course.

Beatles News
  • A Beatles compilation called "Love", featuring tracks remastered by George Martin (with his son Giles), has been released and has made number 1 in Canada.
  • The impending divorce between Paul McCartney and the former Heather Mills continues to make the pages in the tabloid press in the UK.
Project News
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Paul McCartney (see above and below).
Member News
From the Editors

If one is to be mercenary about the subject, it should be noted that Paul McCartney is going to be more noteworthy than usual in the near future as his divorce case comes to court. In that case it is great to note that a small group of Project Members (plus another individual who does not feel compelled to register himself despite important contributions) have worked very hard, and in an atmosphere of good humour, to take the McCartney piece to a succesful Good Article nomination. Perhaps this is the method to use for future articles, a small dedicated team concentrating on one subject at a time. Of course, all members are invited to join any existing group or even go about forming their own. Please note any such action in the Project Log.

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Merry Christmas![edit]

Have a good one! Best wishes, Vera, Chuck & Dave 12:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Andersen Corporation[edit]

There is no reason why a referenced article that establishes the notability of Andersen Corporation should be deleted. Sadly the article that got deleted neither had references nor showed how it satisfies notability guidelines. Agathoclea 16:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Humourous[edit]

It isn't a UK/US spelling thing. See User:Spellmaster for details. Thanks for caring about spelling. --Guinnog 02:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes indeed. However, as I said above, it isn't a US/Uk thing as "humourous" is incorrect worldwide. --Guinnog 03:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well done for finding a typo in the BBC site! However, Wikipedia, with all modern paper dictionaries spells it "humorous", so my point still stands. See [4], [5], [6], [7]. --Guinnog 04:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 9, January 2007[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 009 – January 2007

Beatles News
  • The ongoing divorce proceedings between Paul McCartney and the former Heather Mills continues to occupy the attention of the media - Heather Mills reportedly receiving unspecified death threats.
  • The British Post Office have released a series of stamps depicting various Beatles album covers.
Project News
  • The Paul McCartney article is being primped and primed for submission as a Featured Article candidate.
  • The good folk who have been working on the above article have turned their attention to the John Lennon page. Everyone is, of course, invited to contribute.
  • The hottest Project page this month has been the Macca (Paul for those not in the know!) article, again.
  • Other Project news... Please let the editors know if anything is happening, or just contribute it to the next newsletter.
Member News
Issue of the Month

The question of capitalising of the letter "t" in The of The Beatles has been raised again. It appears that UK style references (here and here) also maintains that the letter should be in lower case. If the Project is to be appear professional then it may have to change the format. Polite discussion is invited at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Policy. If possible, please provide sources/references to support your position.

From the Editors

It has been a fairly quiet time with regard to the Project (or at least that is how it seems). If you are reading this and wondering why your efforts in respect of a Beatles article has not been mentioned, it may be that you haven't told any editor. This is your Newsletter, which means you can contribute to it, so please do!

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The Besterest Band Ever (a legend in their own lunchtime, even)![edit]

I have waggled my eyebrows at Captain Wikify regarding language, but I would concede the point that we need a quote/reference/citation if we are going to keep the (definitive article) in the intro of The Beatles. You and I may know it, Cap'n W may know it, but we need some august authority to say/publish it before we can use it. LessHeard vanU 00:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paley Park[edit]

Thanks for that bit of info about the Stork Club. It fills in an obvious gap in the story of Paley Park. (The pun is intended). Verne Equinox 17:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Past Masters clean-up[edit]

If, by respect the compromise solution, you mean your own view of how the article should look, that is unacceptable. Wikipedia is a collaborative process and no changes were made to the CONTENT of the article Past Masters, Volume Two. The only changes made were aesthetic. If you wish to pursue some "reporting" over an aesthetic difference, that is your time. I, however, will not be bullied because someone has a particular view how a page should appear. Cbing01 17:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The information you refer to was not deleted, it was merely moved to the text of the article, as to leave only one (and the earliest) release date in the infobox. If you would read over an article, rather than arbitrarily reverting a change other than your own, you might see this. Additionally, your revert removes an external link with details pertaining to the release. Cbing01 17:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps we can have this discussion over at the article talkpage? I'm more than happy to umpire over there. LessHeard vanU 21:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 10, February 2007[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 010 – February 2007

Beatles News
  • George Harrison's handwritten lyrics to the song While My Guitar Gently Weeps have fetched $300,000 (£152,552) in a Scottsdale (Arizona, United States) memorabilia auction (15 January). It contained lines omitted from the final version of the song. Specifically :
I look from the wings at the play you are staging
While my guitar gently weeps
As I'm sitting here doing nothing but aging
Still my guitar gently weeps

On the reverse of the page appears the lyrics to Hey Jude in the hand of Mal Evans.

Project News
  • The Project lead article (The Beatles, for those not paying attention) has had its Good Article status reviewed, and the consensus was 'keep'. The efforts of User:Andreasegde in supplying the requested citations, and other editors in helping with general editing, and the strength of arguments for retaining the grade sufficiently impressed the reviewers.
  • After a great deal of work Paul McCartney was promoted as a Featured Article candidate. Unfortunately it failed to succeed. Among other comments, including the correct length of dash (or hyphen), from reviewers was that the article was too long and also that it needed further information included in some of the sections(!?) The promotor, and driving force behind the insertion of a great many references, citations and facts (and the remover of unwanted text, and splitter of information into daughter articles), Andreasegde vigorously argued the case for promotion but was unsuccessful.
  • Mimi Smith was successfully nominated for WP:Good article status. The major editor to whom accolades should be directed is... Andreasegde.
The Beatles' Influence on Recording Music by Apepper and Wings 1973 UK Tour by Danthemankhan.
  • The hottest Project page this month was possibly, despite the Article Status related issues regarding both The Beatles and Paul McCartney mentioned above, the third attempt to delete The Beatles trivia in less than a year. As was the case for the second attempt at AfD the result, after an energetic discourse, was keep but with a suggestion that the article be retitled to reduce the incidence of deletion requests. Editors are invited to discuss possible new titles, and/or the need for same, at Talk:The Beatles trivia.
  • Other Project news - Lar did a bit of a purge of the subscription list during last month's newsletter delivery. Some folks were kept (and are at the active list), some who clearly are not active on wikipedia at all were removed with a "you've been removed" message left (and are at the inactive list), and some folks who were less active but not as clearly completely inactive were given a "this may be your last newsletter" message (and are at the possibly inactive list). A more nuanced subscription list is now here (in several subpages as outlined above), and anyone who wants to tweak their status (moving one's self back is a clear cut sign that we should deliver the newsletter to you!) should feel free. Please respect the rather spartan formatting though, this list is used by WP:AWB currently, and may be used by other automation in future.
Issue of the Month

Hottest issue or concern for this month is the perennial matter of Project articles losing their Good or Featured Article status. The main Project page now includes a status board that gives the current ratings of some of the more important articles. Let's make sure the core articles (The Beatles, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, and Ringo Starr) reach or retain Good Article status, if not Featured Article. If you are aware of another major article whose status is at risk, add it to the board.

Issue of last Month

Since there has been no response in the matter of the use of lowercase for the initial letter of the when applied with Beatles from the opponents, it is likely that the case for using lowercase only will be adopted as Project policy by default. User:LessHeard vanU will draw up a recommendation and submit it to the Policy talkpage in a few days.

From the Editors

We are pleased to welcome the contributions of Alexcalamaro to this newsletter. Any editor can include an item of interest or news; this medium can be an excellent tool for getting a comment seen by a great number of project members. As it says below, this is your newsletter.

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delivered by ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 03:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Magical Mystery Tour LP[edit]

I'm sorry I changed the date of the LP, but I did it without checking out sources or at least reading the article, therefore, I made a huge mistake, I recognize, but it wasn't with the intention of vandalizing, only trying to correct what seemed like a key-pressing mistake. To prevent that, I introduced a <!-- --> comment. Rbb l181 21:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

YES![edit]

Nice one Steelbeard1!! Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia, Consensus, The Beatles and Project Policy[edit]

I was going to step away from this, since I was only going by the rules and I didn't want to get into a big dispute (especially with editors who I respect and have enjoyed working with), but recent events have brought me back.

The debate about naming the convention regarding the capitalisation or not of the letter "t" of the in t/The Beatles has been going on for a while. I have endured the snide remarks of a Twit, and have engaged in civil debate with some others who continued to question Project policy regarding the issue. I pointed out the need to establish a reasonable argument for their viewpoint over and above that of some professional knowledge so there could be a debate. When they did provide reasonable grounds for reopening the debate I used the offices of the Beatles Newsletter Issue 9:Issue of the Month to request comment, debate on the matter. There was no response. In the next Newsletter Issue 10:Issue of last Month I commented that there had been no response, and that the Project policy would be altered to use of the lowercase. Again, nobody other than the proponents responded. After a brief while I did as I said I would, and amended the Policy.

Belated reaction[edit]

The new Policy is not to the liking of some of the editors involved the the Beatles Project (as the previous one was not to others.) After the policy was implemented reasons and arguments for retaining the previous convention were given. Authorities were cited and some discussion was created. Very recently more than one editor has edited Beatles related articles specifically to reflect the previous policy.

My Comments[edit]

My preference is to capitalise the letter t of the in the Beatles.

Wikipedia has very few rules; two of the most important relate to consensus and verifiability.

Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles has a specific area for the implementation (following debate and consensus) of Policy. The associate talkpage records the debate and the arguments used in reaching Policy decisions. The Project also maintains the principle of abiding by the rules that have been agreed, and the fundemental Wikipedia ethos of consensus.

My Observations[edit]

No recent discussion occurred when the matter of the use of lowercase or uppercase was notified in two Newsletters, other than between myself and the proponents of lowercase at the Policy talkpage. Since Policy implementation discussion has only occurred on the talkpages of concerned editors, or on the talkpages of some of the articles, and not at the Policy talkpage.

More than one editor has unilaterally decided to ignore the new Policy, going so far as to amend articles to reflect the previous convention.

My Conclusion(s)[edit]

The Beatles Project is being disrupted by editors who I personally know to be conscientious and dedicated contributors of long and good standing. In that there is now occurring what might be considered vandalism (the knowing altering of articles in a manner that is against Wikipedian and Project rules and policy), likely as a result of their strongly held views, I believe that this matter needs urgent addressing. I am copying this to the Policy talkpage, and to all the editors involved in formulating the new policy and the recent opponents. I suggest that this debate is taken there, and that this matter is decided in a civil manner in accordance with the principles of Wikipedia.


I am deeply saddened that it has come to this. I am depressed that editors (people) whose integrity and civility (not to say sheer fun) I had been proud to be associated with have acted in (what I see as) bad faith and flagrant disregard for the rules and guidelines of both Wikipedia and The Beatles Project. LessHeard vanU 00:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I recognise that you were not part of the discussions over at Policy and might therefore not be fully aware of the situation. LessHeard vanU 00:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note. The appropriate place for discussion is at the Policy talkpage. LessHeard vanU 13:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Look what I found in earlier discussions regarding this point

The Beatles is correct as that is their legal name, and I believe it is registered as a trade name - as is "Beatles" - which would be pointless if it were not correct terminology. In discussing the group you are also discussing the legal entity and British law insists on the correct title within context. Grammaticians may argue semantics, but the name is established under Company Law.LessHeard vanU 20:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I have moved my position as I now do not believe that simply registering a variation (amongst many, I note that I was aware that Beatles singular was registered) indicates that it is the preferred usage. I'm going for Standard English as represented by OED and GCSE English Language Examination Boards. Do you have access to any of these sources? LessHeard vanU 13:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 11, March 2007[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 011 – March 2007

Beatles News
  • On February 5, 2007, the Beatles' Apple Corps and Apple, Inc. (Apple Computer) announced a settlement of their latest trademark dispute involving use of the Apple trademark on the iTunes Music Store. In May of 2006, the High Court ruled in favor of Apple, but Neil Aspinall, manager of Apple Corps, vowed to appeal. Evidently, in the intervening months, the two companies negotiated a settlement. The settlement is discussed in this AP story. For background on the case, see Apple Corps v. Apple Computer. For fans, this may mean that Beatle music will be available someday on iTunes. Despite rumors of a February 2007 release, the material is still unavailalble.
Project News
  • There were no Project article adoptions for the month of February.
  • Project Policy has now been altered to reflect that the use of lowercase for the letter "t" of the word "the" in the Beatles is now considered the correct rendition.
Member News
  • New members to the project since the last issue include (although the first is a long time contributor who apparently has only just found the Participants section);
Tvoz
Freshacconci
Liamshaw
John Cardinal
Mezlo
ErleGrey
Captain Waters
Hey jude, don't let me down
Issue of the Month

See below. There is genuine concern that the Newsletter is getting stale in terms of content and variety, and that the same individuals are featured each month. Furthermore, lack of "news" is hindering the timely distribution as the editors wait for something to report. All Project editors are encouraged to give their news, suggestions and thoughts to keep the 'Letter vital and interesting. If making direct contributions do not appeal, please give a mention on the Newsletter talkpage and it will be incorporated!

From the Editors

Help is needed for the job of putting future Newsletters together. The present incumbent is finding it difficult to reflect the breadth of the Project, focusing on much the same individuals and articles each month, and has decided to beg for contributions from other individuals. Interested persons need only start working on next months issue to qualify. It really is that simple!

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delivered by ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 23:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looney[edit]

Yes, because of the bird, and because of the play on words of Looney meaning "crazy", as in "Mulroney Looney", for the guy who foisted these dollar coins on the Canadian public. And it was logical to name the two-dollar coin the "Two-nee" (phonetically speaking) and you can't tell me it's a coincidence that it adds up to "Looney Tooney". Wahkeenah 17:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looney Tunes[edit]

I wouldn't say admins end edit wars, but I'll keep an eye on things. —tregoweth (talk) 02:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Politicalmichigan and Jen[edit]

See Talk:Jennifer Granholm's talk page... I supported you. But I think you may have been a bit too strong in your caution to this user... let us assume good faith. Feel free to call on me if you need assistance. ++Lar: t/c 01:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

News Time[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 012 – April 2007

Beatles News
  • On Friday 30th March, a deranged fan was held after attempting to force his way into Paul McCartney's mansion. See here for more details.
  • Apple Corps continues to make news, after the recent settlement with Apple Computer over the use of the Apple trademark. On April 10th, the company announced that long-time chief executive Neil Aspinall had stepped down and had been replaced by American Jeff Jones. It was also announced that another long term dispute, this time with EMI over royalties, had been amicably settled prior to Aspinall's departure.[8][9]
Project News
  • The article "Jeff Jones (music industry executive)" suddenly becomes of top importance in the Apple sphere of Beatledom. User:Kingboyk has created a stub on the man, but the article needs urgent beefing up (including basic biographical data such as date and place of birth) and, if possible, a photograph of the new Apple chief executive.
  • With the debate over "the Beatles" vs "The Beatles" continuing to cause ill feeling and a number of resignations from the project from advocates on both sides, Kingboyk attempted to diffuse the situation by blanking the Project Policy page and tagging it as {{historical}}. Although this unilateral action hasn't been reverted as of the time of writing, the reaction was mixed, with two members rejoining the project and others stating their disagreement. With the issue still not resolved, the page was sent to Miscellany for Deletion, for the wider community (and WikiProject The Beatles members) to consider the issue.
Member News
  • The membership list has been trimmed, with inactive members listed seperately to help gauge the status of the project. If you've been incorrectly listed as inactive, please don't be offended - just move yourself back to the main list.
The Rutles: The legendary group who inspired lesser imitators like "The Beatles". WikiWorld, March 2007
From the Editors

This has been a tumultuous month for the project yet again.

We need your input on how the project should work and what it's role should be. And we need to start getting Featured Articles, folks! :)

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BetacommandBot 23:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Beatles 1[edit]

Re: the overdubs on Let It Be in 1970, good spot! I noticed on the allmusic.com page of the 1 album, it said recorded 1962-69, so I was going off there. Maybe we need to submit that error to the allmusic database? Rogerthat Talk 02:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Norelco[edit]

I do find the corporation in question to be communistic, and I will kindly ask that you do not remove my adjective once I attribute a source to it in the days to come. Thanks.

130.126.67.198 11:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)Chartreuse[reply]

Why did you revert Let It Be Naked Copy Right violation[edit]

I believe it is a violation of fair use. And there was no discussion/agreement in the CopyRight violation problems page. --66.245.17.143 19:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because you are NOT a Wikipedian due to your use of an IP address instead of a Wikipedia username, you are considered to be a vandal. Steelbeard1 21:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are extremely wrong here. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. This also means that anyone is a Wikipedian, regardless whether they have a username or edit via an IP address. Furthermore, you should immediately drop your assumption that IP editors are automatically vandals. Actually about 75% vandalism reversions are done by IP volunteers, not registered editors. Your behavior is absolutely unacceptable and is more likely to help yourself get blocked. Миша13 12:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Mizaa13! As a matter of fact, I've taken the time to relook at the article linked, and I've decided I'm wrong, and was overhasty and that it is sufficiently rewritten. However, a polite response is and was warranted. A response like this one is obnoxious. Especially since anyone can create a durn account! It hardly makes you a non vandal. As of a matter of fact I've made an account before (dunno if they expire), but I don't tend to log in when casually browsing. --64.142.36.76 05:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have no problem with constructive edits, but I get steamed by destructive edits and outright deletions and that was an outright deletion!!!!! You could have just removed the copyrighted material. It is also easy to logon, so laziness is no excuse for not using a username. Steelbeard1 10:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I didn't out right delete anything. As per what I've read in the WIKI guidelines, I replaced the page with the copyright vio template, as the issue of concern filled about 50% of the article. We've covered the username thing - you have no right to impose your own unilateral policy here - had YOU not been lazy and simply clicked on my IP (which is static), you would have seen I've contributed a small, but generally accepted number of edits to several other WIKI pages over the last few year. But whatever. Only responding here because of your private message's uncontrolled use of exclamation points perhaps indicating a health issue of some sort :) --64.142.36.76 03:22, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let It Be... Naked[edit]

I have deleted all versions from the insertion of the copyvio material. I understand you have a later version saved to your userspace (?). You may wish to re-insert any non controversial edits from that source. LessHeard vanU 20:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Beatles[edit]

We've been through this many, many times before.

Well, we haven't :-)

The term "current members", as far as The Beatles are concerned, is misleading. Thank goodness the infobox was altered to it would read "members" in the article. Every Beatle is a FORMER MEMBER. The Beatles existed as a group from 1960 to 1970. Lennon, McCartney and Harrison were members of The Beatles during the entire time the group was active. Ringo Starr joined The Beatles in 1962. So to make it clear that Starr was NOT an original member, it should be indicated on the infobox that he was a Beatle from 1962 to 1970. The members who left The Beatles early on, Sutcliffe and Best, definitely go in the former members section.

Surely, by that logic, Paul McCartney should also be appended to read (1960 - 1970)? Personally, I don't think such details should be in an Infobox anyway, as they ought to be clear in the text, but I'm not going to remove your addition. Stephenb (Talk) 13:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: The Beatles discography[edit]

Please see our standards on the use of non-free images in Wikipedia. It is explicitly stated that these images are not permitted in galleries or lists, but must instead be limited to use in critical commentary. The norm seems to be that the album cover is permitted on an article about the album, but not on a list of albums which contains little or no discussion about the albums. A related discussion here may be of interest to you. Please do not re-add the non-free content. (ESkog)(Talk) 14:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just because something is "only a guideline" doesn't mean it's not actionable. Can you think of any good reason why we should allow fair-use images in galleries in this case? Without that, the guidelines, as well as the policies from which they are derived, take precedence. I have also commented on the article's talk page. (ESkog)(Talk) 16:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Beatle album articles tweaking[edit]

In reply to this message:

Thanks! Regarding Past Masters, Volume Two, I noticed that discrepancy, but I don't think the fact that the sides are listed as "3" and "4" on the album necessarily means that we should label them as "Side three" and "Side four" (any more than if they were labelled "X" and "Y" on the album). I think "Side one" is the best way to refer to the first side of Past Masters Volume Two. Otherwise there wouldn't be a first side of Past Masters, Volume Two, which would be confusing... --PEJL 23:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply. I suggest we include a copy of our discussion in Talk:Past Masters, Volume Two to avoid the problem of other users unknowingly making new 'corrections.' What do you think? Steelbeard1 23:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sure thing. Feel free to copy my message(s) there. --PEJL 23:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Steelbeard1 00:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Did you mean to follow up to this? As it stands now, the article talk page seems to conclude one thing while the article says another. Do you agree with my argument? --PEJL 11:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Atlantic Records[edit]

What Sources?

Uhm, the one linked at the end of the sentence?

"His brother, Nesuhi Ertegun, joined Atlantic in 1956, and he was responsible for developing the label's jazz department."

If you have an alternate source, of course cite it. But please don't revert me using a source that isn't even listed in the article. That's not how verification works. --Chris (talk) 11:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding the source. Now I'm wondering if this is a typo on their part. Both of the sources used in the article to cite him joining Atlantic say 1956 [10][11]. Thoughts? Is there a reason why any of these sources should be trusted more than another? --Chris (talk) 11:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting... would you object to opening a wider discussion on the article's talk page and/or RfC to get wider input on this? --Chris (talk) 11:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Beatles Lineup[edit]

Thanks for your comments on my talk page, I left a bit of an explanation there.

I went back to the article and edited it to make it clearer than either the change that I reverted, or the version that I reverted it to. Poindexter Propellerhead 20:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Band infobox when dealing with defunct groups[edit]

In response to this message:

Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say. What is this in reference to? --PEJL 23:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, found the reference. My only intent in that discussion was to point out that the infobox members sections in the infobox should not contain years. But while I have you, I'd like to point out that this change you made contains numerous changes that go against current guidelines. --PEJL 00:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since then, a consensus developed which determines that, in order to be consistent, every Beatle needed the years they were Beatles next to their name. This is discussed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_musical_artist#Defunct_musical_groups. Steelbeard1 02:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Where exactly did this consensus develop? --PEJL 09:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(the following is pasted from Poindexter's talk pageand the comment is from the last person who revised the infobox) I see that you're correct that years do not belong in the "current members" list. On the other hand, there are no current members, haven't been for 37 years, and half of the listed "current members" are dead. Since you seem much better acquainted than I with the rules about how musicians' pages should be edited, perhaps you can come up with an edit which provides a happy medium; which is both clear and accurate, and strictly conforms with every rule? Poindexter Propellerhead 23:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As I understand it, two separate issues (although somewhat related) are being discussed, in various places:
  1. Which members should be listed at Current_members and Past_members for The Beatles in particular and defunct groups in general.
  2. Whether years should be included for the names in those sections.
You said that there was consensus about the second issue, but AFAICT no consensus has developed, at least not for the second issue. My only point was that for issue two, we should follow the guidelines unless we have a very good reason not to, and I've seen no such reason presented. --PEJL 11:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images, Discographies & Fair Use[edit]

I noticed this discussion on one of my watched pages. I will try to find a link, but the basic argument is that album covers are used under fair use licence, which includes "illustrating the text". It is argued that "text" does not include lists such as discographies (but does for an article about the album, for instance.) As such the editors actions may be appropriate. I will try to find out where I saw this and provide you with the link. LessHeard vanU 22:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Mike Mead[edit]

Hey. I noticed that too, but I wanted to do some research before I re-changed it. I support the change!!

Peace,

Politics rule 17:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: The Beatles[edit]

No, but I'm sure there is a picture somewhere on this Earth that someone would be willing to release. --Tom (talk - email) 03:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

?[edit]

I don't understand. How does this make the label notable? DevAlt 21:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You misunderstand. How does the fact that Bob Lind's album was released under World Pacific Records make World Pacific Records in itself notable? Is Bob Lind's cleaner notable because she cleans for Bob Lind? Is Bob lind's publicist notable because she promotes Bob Lind? I don't get why this makes the label notable. DevAlt 21:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why not merge them both to Liberty records, given they're both sublabels? DevAlt 21:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You realise none of the articles actually reflect what you're saying? I think the best course of action is for you to merge World Pacific records to Liberty Records%2

Your message[edit]

A fair use rationale needs to explain IN DEPTH WHY the particular use of an image constitutes fair use, a couple of lines is not in my understanding sufficent. It is suggested you read WP:NFCC and WP:FURG Sfan00 IMG 11:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hootenanny[edit]

Hi. I saw that you restored the "Talkin' John Birch" comment in the Hootenanny article. I'm not the world's biggest Dylan fan, but before deciding not to include that information in my revision, I did read the lyrics at a couple of online lyric sites. I didn't see any references specific to the show. I'd appreciate it if you could please cite the exact lyric you mention, either in reply to this or as a footnote in the body of the article. Thank you. MikeH0714 21:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the updated link - works much better! And thanks for your contributions!MikeH0714 04:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paul is dead, Suggested clues for the rumour "Paul is dead"[edit]

Hey there,

I don't know if you are aware or not, but recently Paul is dead was remodelled, in an attempt to begin to bring it back to the standard that got it an FA nomination some time ago. The "Clues" section was cut and placed into a new article, as it was this section that attracted all manner of conspiracy theorists adding their own personal ideas and original research, and made the article too long. Also, some days ago both articles were placed on AfD, but they survived it.

I've done bits on bobs on the articles so far, and extensive work today on the 'suggested clues' article, but should you like to contribute to either, in order to improve them, or indeed if you'd prefer to just post suggestions (on their talk pages, or mine), your help and thoughts as a WP:BEATLES member would be greatly appreciated. Liverpool Scouse 20:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on Willard Bowsky[edit]

Hi, you asked for comments on your Willard Bowsky article, so here I am. Pretty good beginning article on the subject. I shortened the opening sentence, as you had crammed a bit too much information on the person in one line. The best opening line should just be a quick overview of the person; no need to list everything they did. I deleted this section headings because the article is so short. Multiple section headings in a short article tend to make it look choppy. Section headings are best saved for longer articles.

There were a couple of red Wikilinks I fixed. I think it's best to check your links before you post an article. A quick search found the correct spelling for Saint-Avold and [[Lorraine American Cemetery and Memorial].Konczewski 02:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Konczewski. The article looks much better. Steelbeard1 03:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Done. Steelbeard1 01:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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ABN AMRO North America[edit]

Hello. In order to keep the {{US Banks}} template matched to our source, the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council's quarterly Top 50 bank holding companies report, I re-added ABN AMRO North America back into the mix. We should wait until FFIEC drops ABN AMRO from their list (late fourth-quarter?) and replaces it with another bank before re-removing it. I would like to avoid a repeat of my embarrassing August mistake where the "50 largest American banks" list only had 49 banks. --Kralizec! (talk) 23:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. I got your message minutes ago about the article; it seems that Bearcat took care of your request. Cheers, --Aarktica 10:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Your last question was rather cryptic. If you care to rephrase your last question, perhaps I can be of assistance. --Aarktica 16:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Air Farce Live[edit]

All that happened is that when the album article got moved, the talk page was redirected with it — so it was really just an easy case of "delete the redirect".

Having a separate article for the troupe as opposed to the show would probably be a reasonable idea. Bearcat 16:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Looney Tunes[edit]

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Popeye the Sailor: 1933-1938, Volume 1[edit]

Please cite sources for this article. Otherwise, it may be tagged as a candidate for deletion in the near future. Cheers. ++Arx Fortis (talk) 23:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on it. Steelbeard1 (talk) 23:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Halo Burger[edit]

Thank you for edit... I would like for you to re-check grammar again at Halo Burger... that I did modify recently. Thank you CFB

Thank you for fix grammar and THANK YOU for added good external link beside Halo Burger's website. CFB!

What do with two boxes at top of Halo Burger? who will remove wikify? and other box? Thanks again I will check here later for your reply (here). CFB —Preceding unsigned comment added by CFBancroft (talk • contribs) 08:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you[edit]

Thank you for reverting my recent edit to Bank of America. I believe someone was playing around on my computer.
--JKeene (talk) 19:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The image is not low resolution.--Rockfang (talk) 23:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The image is not low resolution.--Rockfang (talk) 23:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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disputed fair use on both past master images above[edit]

Please read this. It states the image should be low resolution. Even the licensing on the image's page states low resolution. That's why I made this change. I also stated why I did that change in the 2 sections above regarding these images. I suggest you resize the images if you want to use the current licensing.--Rockfang (talk) 12:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The image is not low resolution.--Rockfang (talk) 12:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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MCA vs. MCA Nashville[edit]

Most of the artists you removed were indeed on MCA and not MCA Nashville (e.g. The Oak Ridge Boys, Merle Haggard). I've removed the acts who were only on MCA Nashville, but added qualifying notes for artists who have been on both MCA and MCA Nashville (this includes Vince Gill, George Strait, Reba McEntire, Trisha Yearwood, etc.). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, any recording which originated from MCA Records' Nashville office is considered to be MCA Nashville. The complication is the dissolution of MCA Records while the Nashville office continues to issue recordings under the MCA name. If you look at the UMG Nashville article which incorporates the MCA Nashville Records article, it traces MCA Nashville to the formation of the country music division of Decca Records in 1945. So as I stated, my opinion is that anything issued by MCA Records' Nashville office, whether it bears either the MCA or MCA Nashville logo, is considered to be MCA Nashville Records. Steelbeard1 (talk) 22:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks for clearing up the MCA/MCA Nash stuff for me. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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(label) vs. (label) Nashville[edit]

Regarding the whole MCA/MCA Nashville mess -- would you happen to know if the same thing is true of Mercury Records and Mercury Nashville? For example, both of Sugarland's albums say just "Mercury" and not "Mercury Nashville", even though Sugarland is a country act. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 03:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The difference is that Mercury Records is still an active label. Steelbeard1 (talk) 03:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the information, and of course, Happy New Year! Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 04:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wicker[edit]

I stand corrected.--Dr who1975 (talk) 03:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Talk:United States Senate elections in Mississippi, 2008[edit]

Please let me know if you agree with my suggestion.--Dr who1975 (talk) 00:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Remington Products[edit]

Howdy. The site that you've moved to be a reference for this article (http://iavbbs.com/gflinn/shaver1.htm) appears to be someones non-notable personal web page, which I do not believe can be considered a valid source for this article. Am I missing something? Regards —Mrand T-C 14:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because most of the article was copied directly from the URL which was moved from an external link to a reference, it seems appropriate. Just compare the two. Steelbeard1 (talk) 15:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC) (this response moved from mrand's user page)[reply]
Howdy again. I should have said that I'll watch this page for responses... to keep the conv in one place. Back to the matter at hand: I realize it was copied there from that website (which may or may not be a copyright violation). My main point was that Wikipedia:Verifiability seems to imply that a personal website not a valid reference for this sort of topic.—Mrand T-C 16:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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FBOP[edit]

Great; but please put the citation you gave me into the actual article. Peace--Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FBOP Corporation[edit]

Sometimes I think the new page patrollers are a little too exuberant. Tagging FBOP Corporation for speedy deletion the same minute it was created is just nuts [12]! Regardless, nice work starting this article! --Kralizec! (talk) 16:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Looney Tunes Golden Collection[edit]

I've just tagged this article for lack of referencing. I see that you've done quite a bit of work on this page and other related articles. If you can contribute more references, I'll be glad to lend you support.

By the way, have you ever considered joining the American animation Wikiproject? I'm a member myself, and I'm sure we'd all enjoy having you as a member. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 22:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats!; thanks for joining the animation Wikiproject! If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me or any of our other members. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 02:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found only three races with the format Dr. Who prefers. Revert[edit]

I'll stop edit waring with you if we can have a discussion. Which 3 did you find?--Dr who1975 (talk) 20:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RFAR[edit]

Hi, is WP:RFAR#Dr_who1975 a request for a new arbcom case, or is it regarding a prior case? John Vandenberg (talk) 17:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have you attempted other methods of dispute resolution ? John Vandenberg (talk) 18:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I've removed the request for arbitration as it wasnt formatted correctly, and I think it was a bit hasty. I'll try and help you two find a solution, or assist you get started on dispute resolution. Bear with me a few minutes as I catch up. John Vandenberg (talk) 18:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfAr???[edit]

This appears to be a request for arbitration relating to Dr who1975 ... when you asked me for your input I was not aware of that. I would like to suggest that filing a case might be a bit premature... I have some not inconsiderable respect for you in working together with you on some of the MI election issues, but I think that filing a case was a bit over the top. I think that while Dr who might have some areas where approach could be improved, the same might possibly be true of you. I'd ask that in future you try to work things out if at all possible, and work the steps in dispute resolution in the proper sequence (for example, an RfAr should be a very last resort, not something you do before coming to an individual admin seeking an opinion). I hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 21:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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so[edit]

It looks like United States Senate special election in Mississippi, 2008 and United States Senate election in Mississippi, 2008 are going to be on the same day after all. Right?--Dr who1975 (talk) 16:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is the case. But due to the lengthy controversy section, they should still be separate articles. Steelbeard1 (talk) 17:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Thanks for saving Bbel.jpg[edit]

I was away from Wikipedia for a while, so I missed the notice that Image:Bbel.jpg was in danger of being deleted. I wanted to say that I really appreciate your adding the formal fair use rationale while I was gone. Thanks. --Naughtius Maximus F@H Woof! MeowMUN 20:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Steelbeard1 (talk) 20:34, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Beatles Collection[edit]

Steelbeard, First, before I bring up a couple of issues, I think I knew you. Were you involved in the Prodigy/GEnie Beatles discussions in the 1990s?

Secondly, you're right. I misread the earlier wikipedia entery. The British version of the boxed set was heavily imported into the U.S. because of the limited availability of the American edition. (There were about 3,050 American copies -- 3,000 numbered copies and another fifty or so unnumbered copies given to Capitol VIPs.) I'm sorry, I misread the entry to say that the U.S. edition was released due to the popularity of the British entry, which was not the case.

Thirdly, I believe the released dates (Nov. 10 for the UK and Dec. 1 for the US) I had entered for the boxed set are good. They come from Harry Castleman and Walter Podrazik's third Beatles discography, The End of the Beatles? (Ann Arbor, Michigan: Peirian Press, 1985), p. 35.P).

MCB in Boulder, 3/24/2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.11.27.152 (talk) 03:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was active in the old Prodigy Beatle discussions. I recall signing off with PARLOPHONE RULES!!! Steelbeard1 (talk) 10:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jefferson Airplane[edit]

Thanks for pointing that out to me. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 20:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment + Stabenow[edit]

Hi Steelbeard. Great work on the Beatles-related articles - I've consulted these articles many times to satiate my own interest in the inimitable group.

Now to Stabenow, our present point of contention. I'll probably post something on the talk page, but I thought to communicate with you directly first. I think you have an understandable point regarding certain marital problems, like those referred to discreetly in the Cindy McCain entry. But is there not a significant difference between the two acts that render them incomparable? In Cindy McCain's case, we mention John McCain's non-detailed marital dissatisfaction since their relationship began while he was still married. There isn't any need to talk about the specific, mundane details of McCain's broken-down marriage. Here, Senator Stabenow's husband hired a prostitute while married. Doesn't it seem extremely furtive to refer to this far-from-mundane occurrence as a mere "marital problem"? And don't the other points I made - regarding the direct analogy of Silda Wall Spitzer's article, and relevance demonstrated by media coverage carry some weight too?

Thanks - looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Feel free to post on my user page or elsewhere. sæ (talk) 19:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On articles about Michigan politicians, I usually look to frequent contributor BKonrad for input and advice. His feelings are similar to mine. Steelbeard1 (talk) 20:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Herb Abramson[edit]

Please have a look at my Talk page for your reply - Adrian Pingstone (talk) 07:42, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vernor' ' ' ' ' s[edit]

How right you are about the apostrophe - how could I have missed that? Sorry! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:12, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mississippi's 1st congressional district special election, 2008[edit]

I thought you only cared about Senate races in Mississippi. In any event, I have no objection to moving the campaign sites (although I do disagree with it) but please do not remove names from the page... we've had this debate before.--Dr who1975 (talk) 17:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The link in the special senate race article led me to the MS-1 house district special election article which required the cleanup. Remember that only declared candidates belong in the candidates section. Speculation and those who declined to run belong only in the body of the article. Steelbeard1 (talk) 17:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There's a seperate section for the former candidates... that should fit your logic. You know you can't remove them from the page... do we really need to go to the trouble of putting a senetence for Jamie Franks in the description. His names been on there for months and the election is now only 2 days away.--Dr who1975 (talk) 17:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
BTW... you know this isn't personal... can't we compromise for once without a debate.--Dr who1975 (talk) 17:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see that you had put a senetence about Franks in there. I acted Rashly and I apologize. Thank you for compromising.--Dr who1975 (talk) 18:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC) FYI.. at some point I'm thinking of putting the whole general subject matter regarding listing declined candidates up for debate at the Congressional project. It won't be any time soon. I will let you know when I do so that you can write the agaisnt argument.--Dr who1975 (talk) 18:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, however, let me assure you I would never move Franks back to a bullet point without concensus. I hope we can respectfully disagree.--Dr who1975 (talk) 19:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Halo Burger[edit]

Thank you for update on Halo Burger CFBancroft (talk) 06:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Again Thank you for update on Halo Burger look wonderful! CFBancroft (talk) 05:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again Again Thank you for update on Halo Burger in past sense.CFBancroft (talk) 13:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

May 2008[edit]

You are repeating yourself and you know what my response should be... if you want to remove them from the list then do so and put a sentcne or two about them in the text... you are removing information from the article. I am goingto undo what you did... please fix it correctly... it should not be my job topolice you.--Dr who1975 (talk) 23:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Final Warning[edit]

I am not going to apply the compromise for you again as I did on Mississippi's 1st congressional district special election, 2008... please apply the compromise to Louisiana's 6th congressional district special election, 2008 or leave it alone. This is your final warning.--Dr who1975 (talk) 14:36, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your own revision violates your own compromise. Read the MS-1 special election candidates' list. That's the format I followed. Steelbeard1 (talk) 14:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Parlophon[edit]

Thank you for pointing that out. I appreciate your commitment to the better education for all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Target Alpha (talk • contribs) 23:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Ben Nevers[edit]

I was fixing to get into another dispute with you but upon reading your comment on my page I realized that you have a point... wanted to let you know I'm not pig headed... what about Louisiana's 6th congressional district special election, 2008? Are you going to wait for those links to go stale and then remove those names? Please give me a specific, substantive answer (no generalities please).--Dr who1975 (talk) 15:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because evidence exists that the links once existed, I'm giving those links some slack. Steelbeard1 (talk) 16:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I apreciate that (I will hold you to it on this and other pages, cases like Nevers non-withdstanding). I can also promise that I'll stop using bullet points for (properly cited) speculated candidates in future articles if you promise to move any olders ones you see that are already bullet pointed to the text instead of deleting them. Basically we'd both be promising to follow the original compromise.--Dr who1975 (talk) 18:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
While any speculation about persons who decided not to run for public office are fine for inclusion in the body of articles with citations, I have to stress again that any such speculation in candidates' lists are subject to deletion if they are found. Steelbeard1 (talk) 19:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But that statement is a contradiction in and of itself... if it's viable for inclusion in the body... then it can be moved to the body... not deleted... c'mon... can we just come to an agreement on this.--Dr who1975 (talk) 03:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I told you before and I will tell you again. There has to be verifiable citations for the specuation to be included in the body of articles. They why the Nevers speculation was removed because the citation you gave did not confirm the speculation. Steelbeard1 (talk) 03:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion has moved beyond Nevers... if you're going to be like this we can talk to Lar some more.--Dr who1975 (talk) 03:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referenda#ongoing elections and prominence given to candidates. As the issue has arisen again, it is time to involve more people and start to write some guidelines. --John Vandenberg (chat) 01:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


FYI[edit]

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I made a mistake... could you be so kind as to remove myrecent comments from thepage as I requested you do?--Dr who1975 (talk) 21:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. Steelbeard1 (talk) 21:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You had respect for me? When?--Dr who1975 (talk) 22:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Links to non existent pages[edit]

I used to think this was a no-no too. I changed my opinion after Markles corrected me on it a couple of times.--Dr who1975 (talk) 19:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dead wiki links which don't link to any article are fine as long as there are plans to create the article the link is for. This issue here is links which link back to the main article. Steelbeard1 (talk) 00:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well (and I mean this politely) you shouldn't assume I didn't have plans to create the article... in any event, your influence got me to create it today instead of in a few days as I'd hoped.--Dr who1975 (talk) 01:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Question for you at Talk:United States Senate election in Mississippi, 2008[edit]

FYI. Feel free to tell me I'm full of crap. I will no longer be offended (particularily if you showme that I am full of crap... it happens from time to time).--Dr who1975 (talk) 00:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To be more specific the question I'm reffering to is this "How do the bullet points look now? Do they look ok or should we still consider splitting the page because they look awkward?"... please answer on the article's talk page. Thanks.--Dr who1975 (talk) 00:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To repeat: Please answer the question regarding "How do the bullet points look now?" on the article's talk page. Thanks.--Dr who1975 (talk) 00:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Re:[edit]

Just because there are two different versions of the release doesn't necessarily mean we have to include both covers. We are the free encyclopedia, we try to reduce our non-free image usage as far as possible. The fact is, the cover of the one looks exactly the same as the other (bar a few words), so there is no need to include both. The purpose of identifying the album can be done with any one of the covers. Per our non-free content usage criteria #3a, "Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information." Cheers, indopug (talk) 18:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then sadly the compromise goes against official Wikipedia policy. Further, the prose you added discusses only the double LP, not its cover. I know that many users don't understand Wikipedia's "copyright paranoia", but the fact is we are the free encyclopedia, and we must cut down the use of non-free material as far as possible. This cover isn't particularly notable in any way either, I can't imagine any reader actually benefitting from its presence there. For an opposite case where two covers in an article is completely warranted, see Is This It, where they are significantly discussed in the prose and both significantly add to the understanding of the reader. indopug (talk) 11:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you could. Wouldn't it be redundant to the existing articles? indopug (talk) 19:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Samuel Goldwyn Studio[edit]

I see you made an edit at Samuel Goldwyn Studio, would you mind weighing in at talk:Samuel Goldwyn Studio, where I have left a note? Thanks! ~ WikiDon (talk) 05:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS: ever thought about archiving your talk page. I made a page just for image notification.

You didn't comment on my article name change proposal? And I still think you need to archive (from the for-what-its-worth bin 'O goodies). ~ WikiDon (talk) 20:35, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I did in the talk:Samuel Goldwyn Studio page using the heading "The Lot". Yes, I should archive the old talk page entries. Steelbeard1 (talk) 20:57, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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