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Re: Robert Barr (writer) copyvio listing

Hi!. I am not an expert on copyright violations, having only listed a few before today, but my reading of Wikipedia:Copyright problems#Instruction leads me to think that if a page has a prior version from before the offending text was added, instead of blanking the page, adding the copyvio tag, and listing on the copyright page, you simply revert to the most recent version before the violating text was adding (and leave an appropriate edit summary of course). As stated in the instructions: "If all revisions have copyright problems:" and then lists the blanking, tagging, etc. This is what I did to Naomi (Bible) and Rebecca Sophia Clarke. The ones I listed on today's copyvio page proper were started by the offending user, i.e., their first text edit was with copyvio text. --Fuhghettaboutit 00:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

As you know I am not an expert either. I appreciate you pointing this out and have now reverted to the last non copied version --Slp1 00:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Joseph Pulitzer IPA tag

On Joseph Pulitzer article, thanks for removing IPA tag again. I got a really rude message from the culprit on my Talk page when I questioned this. Thanks for taking the time to sort these people out! --K72ndst 20:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


Pronunciation

Thanks for the help! I checked the IPA and found it impossible to figure out. I do know how to pronounce her name, as I speak a little Kimbundu. I specifically asked people who are native speakers (hard to find in Angola these days!) how they pronounced her name when I last visited Angola in 2004 and did some oral tradition and the like.

First off, the initial "n" is a nasal, not really pronounced in normal speech, but because Kimbundu typically elides the last vowel in proceeding words with nasals, the "n" is written in it's orthography to let readers know that it is there (there are minimal pairs in the language that revolve around this nasal).

The second later is basically the "j" sound in French or Portuguese, or the "z" in English "azure". The i is the Italian i, and the n is hard, not nasalized. The syllable breaks after the "n". Also in normal spoken Kimbundu the final vowels are not really pronounced, just as in Portuguese, but if you ask people to say the word carefully, they will pronounce it. It is also the Italian value of a.

I hope this can help.

I have another problem, which is that some, but not all of my entries (I'm trying to handle as many historic central African ones as I can) don't seem to hyperlink when I think they should, though others work well. I know this is vague, but I see that when I follow a link I placed in the article on "Soyo" to "Alvaro II" it took me to the entry I created for this, but Alvaro II doesn't come up when I just search for it. Ditto the separate article I created on "Veronica I" (Queen of Matamba) Beepsie

Thanks for the help with the pronunciation. I am by no means an expert but think that part of the problem is to do with the accent on the a of Alvaro. If you search with the accent then it goes to the correct page. You might want to do a redirect from Alvaro II to Àlvaro II but I'm not sure how you achieve this! --Slp1 19:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Motley Crue

Thank you for the IPA cleanup.100110100 03:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Speech AND Language Pathology

So I suppose the one thing I won't help w/ is proofreading. Thanks for fixing the title and my apologies for that.

Cheers,

-RJ1001 04:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha. I am afraid I am rather good at proofreading which is why most of my wikipedia contributions have been typo corrections. Absolutely no worries and in fact I really appreciate your proactive organizing. Thanks muchly for writing up the merge proposal... a terrific idea, and hopefully someone else will come by to comment some time. I might even drop some notes on the talk pages of some of the earlier contributors if I have a moment. Another thing: I noticed that there is a phoniatrics page too. I am not sure if that should be merged too. What do you think? --Slp1 02:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Nice catch--seems like this topic is strewn all about the place. To be quite honest, I had never heard the term "phoniatrics." Looking at the entry and a dictionary of mine, it seems appropriate to merge as well. In addition, I found the synonymous term "phoniatry"--thankfully it has no article, but it should be a redirect. This lengthens the list of redirects that need to be made (the nation-specific one you've already made+phoniatrics+phoniatry). I've placed the appropriate flags on Phoniatrics. We'll see what happens.
-RJ1001 04:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Concerning Harrison austin article

Aside from the issue of deleting the speedy tags, the creator has asserted some notability (essentially contesting the lack of notability). I suggest you use the afd process.

Appropriate warning templates for removing tags should be issued, and after appropriate warnings, user may be blocked. — ERcheck (talk) 12:52, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Your afd nomination was completed properly (afd, afd2, afd3). As for WP:Notability — if the article were to say that the person was a footballer and didn't provide any reason that he was important, then clearly, no notability is asserted. If the article said he was a 5-year old player and the best on this team, then this doesn't really meet the bar. However, with the assertion of signing a professional forms, this is some notablity. For speedy deletes, there needs to be no assertion of notability. For prods, you can nominate as non-notable (in otherwords, you don't feel there is sufficient notability), though if the tag is removed (contested), that is acceptable and the next step is afd. This process is so that community consensus is reached on whether there is sufficient notability to merit an article. Hope this information helps. For addtional info, see
— ERcheck (talk) 13:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

My user page

Thanks for noticing that! I couldn't figure it out either for a bit. I finally found that I'd been a dummy and, in my "Ongoing tasks" section, I'd linked to Category:Wikipedia articles with nonstandard pronunciation without using the leading colon to make it a link instead of placing the page in the cagetory. — Saxifrage ✎ 18:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

How do you know IPA pronunciation?

Hey Slp1, how do you know the IPA pronunciation? I would like to help by adding pronunciations as opposed to just adding the templates, but I don't know how to find out the pronuncations (like for 'Ewa Beach) or how to transcribe them into IPA. Thanks! --Iamunknown 03:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I learnt IPA during phonetics courses at university. If you want to learn IPA then a course is probably the best plan, but otherwise there are books as well as articles and exercises on the internet (including wikipedia). It is worth training yourself to really listen and feel words a bit, as it is so easy to get misled by the spelling in English. I hope this helps. --Slp1 12:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
    Thanks for the info! --Iamunknown 14:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Michael Petrovski user page

Did you see the userpage? Can I tag that {{{db-attack}}} or would it be different for a user page? Or is it just a joke?? Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 14:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you have already tagged it, but I am afraid I don't really know, since I don't know the limits of what is allowed on a userpage. Frankly, I am not even sure about the attack tag on the article as he seems to be attacking himself!! But anyway it should be speedy deleted (and has been 3 times already!) --Slp1 14:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Yeah, I boldly tagged it. I'm not sure about how to speedy user pages. I did not know if he's a serious user having fun at his own expense or a clever vandal working the system. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 14:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion?

Sorry, but I disagree with you that the article I just created is about a non-notable person. Did you by chance do a google news search on him? There are articles about him on many major news sources, from the drudge report (American conservative) to the BBC (mainstream british). It is a large issue with possibly very dramatic repurcussions for the foreign relations of Britain and Russia. Please look into it. Tuviya 03:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your message. I didn't actually put the tag on. I was just letting you know it has been done so that you can save the article if you want. Just follow the instructions above to get your voice heard. --Slp1 03:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Oh, okay - in that case, thank you. Tuviya 03:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyright Violations

Since you last warned Lfabre, (and are an administrator) I thought you might know what to do next. He/She has just contributed large chunks of text (or created) The Financier , the Stoic, and The Titan , and copied her/his contributions from [[1]] and [[2]]. I haven't been able to find if and where The Titan one comes from, but it seems a suspiciously similar tone!!! Thanks for your help --Slp1 01:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I've fixed the two you're sure of, by deleting them, then restoring only the edits before Lfabre added content. This way the copyvios don't appear at all in the edit history. -- Zanimum 15:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Just reviewing things, I've blocked him for six months. -- Zanimum 15:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Marc Lepine

The article was semi-protected because an editor, from a dynamic IP was inserting some disturbing stuff into it and refusing to stop. The POV of User:Suemcp and the IP are the same, though if memory serves me, the editing style strikes me as different. Similar axe to grind though -- he was abused by feminists, its all their fault, etc. I put a NPOV notice on his page, and also reverted his additions to École Polytechnique massacre. We'll see how it goes. Cheers. Dina 16:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I took another look at the recent edits to Marc Lepine and did not revert. Honestly, given some of User:Suemcp's previous edits to the page, its easy to read POV pushing into a lot of things. But looking at his two edits head-on, ignoring his past edits, they are pretty okay to me. His first edit was in the text of Lepine's suicide note where he changed "List of 19 women he wishes to kill" to "List of 19 women". (the actual list is redacted, I imagine for reasons of privacy) On the face of it, that's not a terrible edit. At least to me, it bears some investigating into what the letter actually said about his intentions. His second edit was to add "Marc Lépine, aged 25, by his own hand" to the list of people killed in the incident. This, again to me, is far less POV than his last edits. Lepine was killed in the incident, and it is customary to list all the dead in a list like that, even if one of them is responsible for the deaths of all the others. So I suggest letting the edits stand. Assuming good faith here, User:Suemcp seems to be learning how to edit without POV-pushing. This article has been through a lot lately, and whoever is editing it (whether it is one individual or a few) seem to be getting less controversial. I don't want to go in there and start a revert war when people are doing far less unreasonable things than recently. I will continue to keep an eye on it, and please don't hesitate to contact me again if you notice something amiss. Cheers. Dina 22:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Happy holidays! (if you've been celebrating any!) I have listed Lepine and the Massacre page at requests for comment in the hopes that more eyes will clear up some of this. It was recently un-semi-protected as well, we'll see how that goes. Cheers Dina 01:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

ANSI and IPA

Longly needed. Thanks! :-) —Gennaro Prota•Talk 17:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

  • You're welcome! --Slp1 17:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


Speedy Questions

Hello why can't i make a swfc vital football page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swfcowls (talk • contribs) 22:40, 22 December 2006

AFD question

I have a question about the reason you gave for deleting Aggressive street walking. Please note I don't disagree with the deletion at all!! I am just puzzled about whether being previously speedy deleted is considered a repost or not for the purposes of speedy deletion criteria. According to the section on reposts in this,Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion it doesn't seem so to me, but maybe there is something I don't know? Just curious --Slp1 14:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

The criteria with which I decided to speedily delete the above article was A4. The article had been recreated numerous times and the text was identical in each case. The article was also undergoing the AfD process and had attracted universal 'delete' decisions from all interested editors. In addition to this, the article was a non-notable {{db-vanity}} publication on the part of its authors and it was their persistence that caused it to go to AfD in the first place. Due process was followed, don't worry! (aeropagitica) 18:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation! I wasn't worried, just curious about how the decision gets made it cases like that. Thanks again!--Slp1 18:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Well said (elsewhere)

You know, its funny, in my RFA I had two neutrals, who would not vote to support me because they felt I had not spent enough time on article talk pages and that that was an important part of understanding how articles came to be...I am starting to understand better what they meant ;). Cheers. Dina 03:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I just find an article with a cite similar to mine, C&P the cite into my article and then fill in the details. You may notice I almost always screw up the formatting the first time too (especially if editing in sections, because preview does not show you then how the ref will look.) The Coroner's report was hard -- you had half the "cite news" template, but as its not really "news" I just changed it to a straight URL ref. But you're right, now's the time to learn your footnotes! :P Dina 15:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Your edit summary at Ecole Polytechnique Massacre

  • Slp1, it's been a tough couple of weeks on that article. Bobanny has offered some good advice and largely steered clear of the disputes. His edit is (to my eye) okay -- Frum is a TV journalist, therefore also sometimes better known as a reporter. If you disagree, it still doesn't seem like you to jump on him for it. I feel like I know how civil you are generally (so much better at it than me sometimes) so I'm guessing perhaps that you jumped the gun? Or confused him with another editor? If I'm wrong, let me know. Either way, just let me know what's up. Cheers. Dina 05:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I just checked your talk page history and my guess is you made an innocent mistake. (Bobanny is not Bob). My advice, (feel free not to take it) is: go directly to the page, revert yourself, put an apology in the edit summary. It happens. Cheers. Dina 05:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Thanks for being nice when you thought I was being horrid. But I think you may have things confused. Bobanny didn't make the change from journalist to reporter... (he was actually making changes with the disambiguation thing). Our dear friend Suemcp made the change here [3] And my edit summary was in relation to this. Since she talks under Proposed Edits about not thinking it appropriate to "up her (Pelletier's) status" to journalist I think I was assuming good faith, by saying "suspect" rather than "are" about the demotion!!! --Slp1 05:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Aha! I understand now. I suspect (though I have no way of knowing) that Chabuk's warning above may involve the same confusion, or maybe not. It was a rather snarky edit summary. I'm impressed, because you've been so unflappable through all of this. If that's how you finally just lose it then you are a saint...However, I am hopeful that Sue will take my advice. I am starting to think this could be a really great article. Cheers. Dina 06:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Glad to have got that cleared up. I will try to avoid being snarky in the future, and to be clear whom I am addressing too!! Like you said it has been a trying week or two, so I am grateful for the positive comments even when I have almost reached the end of my editing rope. I have been very grateful for your leadership in knowing what the next step should be in this whole process, and glad about the clarity of your last piece of advice. I will be interested to see what happens next, but it certainly helps that there are other people dropping in to give opinions too. Anyway thanks. And now to bed. --Slp1 06:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I was happy to spot your self-edit on my talk page (reach the edit of you editing rope --> almost reach...) This, too, will pass. I was actually starting to get psyched about this article today, just as an article, when all these editors were involved, sourcing and tweaking. I mean, there is a lot of stuff, it's a resonant event. And to be frank, the anniversary of it, plus the Dawson shooting, didn't blip that hard on the US radar, so I would have missed a lot of stuff if I hadn't been involved. If Sue made one good point, it's that the article is inadequate to the events. When this particular little fire gets put out, I'm going to hold you to teaming up with me to make this a really good article. Deal? Sleep well. Dina 06:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

FYI

I've been following the productive discussion over at "Talk:Ecole" but I have found myself laid up with an awful head cold. So I'm avoiding anything requiring any intelligence and instead watching Law & Order reruns. But I like the way things are headed and will chime in when I'm feeling better. Just wanted you to know I haven't run away or anything. Cheers. Dina 22:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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