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Shaken And Stirred

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Taio Cruz Name

What exactly is your interest in perpetuating this name you think is Taio Cruz's birth name? I see that you are editing other wiki pages in an attempt to support this name which has no valid citations anywhere? Please explain Shaken And Stirred (talk) 09:21, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

There are of course reliable sources for it. Perhaps you need to read up on the Streisand effect. // Liftarn (talk) 10:39, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I am not unaware of the Streisand effect, however a much more modern issue is occurring here called a "wiki vicious cycle" where something incorrect is posted on wikipedia, for example Jon doe's real name is "Johnny Orange", and then a publication such as "Biography.com" lists Jon Doe's name as Johnny Orange, Wiki then cites biography.com as an official source and it then becomes problematic to discount this incorrect piece of information. My issue with this, is if Tayo Onile-Ere is in fact his real name, what reason would there be for hiding it? With the Streisand effect as you mention, the purpose of hiding pictures of her house was over privacy concerns. Taio Cruz has his full name listed on his website and social media accounts. Also official music blogs such as billboard.com list his name as Jacob Taio Cruz. If 10 sites out of 1000 said your name was Liftarnonld instead of Liftarn surely logic would prevail that the 10 are incorrect? Shaken And Stirred (talk) 11:12, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Music sites mostly copy and paste from press releases and they really don't care about real names and birth dates. But if the liner notes on a release states his name as T. Onile-Ere then it has very little to do with Wikipedia. For his reason to hide the facts I can only speculate. The different birth years can be explained with not wanting to appear to old so he would alienate his fans. As for the name it could be something like that, Cruz is probably more acceptable than Onile-Ere. It could also be other things like not wanting to take the fathers name. Also if his birth name really is Taio Cruz why bother to send a fake birth certificate? // Liftarn (talk) 11:20, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

This is a fair point, and it's possible you're right. But you're reasons are speculatory, and unless there is proof that this is his birth name, surely we should add it to a new section and write about our speculation, instead of suggesting that it's fact? To It still seems more likely his name is Taio Cruz seeing that every single song he's ever released except that one is listed as Taio Cruz? Just logically Shaken And Stirred (talk) 11:36, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

His actual birth name is a mystery, but it is a fact that he is credited as "T. Onile-Ere" for "Your Game" in the liner notes. As it was released in 2004 and the Wikipedia article was not started until 2007 "wiki vicious cycle" is clearly not a factor. Please rever your edit or take part at Talk:Taio Cruz#Your Game credits. // Liftarn (talk) 11:43, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I'm happy to undo that revision. However I think we are spotlighting a point of contention we don't need to. And Just FYI the music he created with Nitin Sawhney in 2004 "Rainfall" is also credited as Taio Cruz, so that means he's been credited both before Your Game and after, but this "T. Onile-Ere" very strangely occurs once in the middle. I think it was error of sorts... But seeing as it was in fact printed you're right. Before I revert are you certain you feel this is necessary to add because I don't think so. Shaken And Stirred (talk) 11:52, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I think it is as anyone checking it will see that "Taio Cruz" is not credited for the track. Then there is also the single "The Way I Live" that he appears to have release under his real name. // Liftarn (talk) 11:57, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Haha, Ok I still think you're wrong. I just tried searching for that song anywhere, iTunes, Spotify, Youtube, Soundcloud. That song "The way I live" doesn't exist. Just like this name, its a very far fetched, clutch-at-straws connection being drawn here. Just because the name Tayo and Taio are similar, that's the only connection. If you change your mind please remove it yourself as I honestly think this is a mistake. Reverting now. Shaken And Stirred (talk) 12:11, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok, now you are getting into pure vandalism. That single was as far as I can tell only released as a promo so it's no wonder it's not available for streaming. Please do not use your own lack of research dictate what goes into Wikipedia. // Liftarn (talk) 12:20, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

April 2016

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