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2024 Big 12 Tournament Schedule
Good day, I noticed you reverted an edit of mine claiming I had the wrong dates for the 2024 Big 12 Tournament. The schedule I had added is from this link https://www.visitkc.com/big-12/championship-schedule-information. With a 14 team tournament, the format would follow the formats of the recent SEC or Big 10 tournaments for reference. The 11-14 seeds would play on Tuesday, the 5-10 seeds and the two first round winners would play Wednesday, and the top 4 seeds and the four winners from the second round would play in the quarterfinals on Thursday. So Kansas is either going to play in the first round on Tuesday, March 12th (exceedingly unlikely), in the second round Wednesday, March 13th (probably not) or the quarterfinals on Thursday, March 14th (most likely).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Big_Ten_men%27s_basketball_tournament
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_SEC_men%27s_basketball_tournament 173.216.89.204 (talk) 01:02, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
- @173.216.89.204: I understand that's Kansas City's tourism website but the Big 12 hasn't made any official announcement about next year. A 14 team tournament does not require an additional round, I have no idea why you think that. Just because website says "March 12–16" doesn't mean there will be games all 5 days either. That website even says the exact schedule isn't known meaning the Big 12 has only booked the dates but hasn't discussed the schedule. Until that is revealed we need to assume it's still a 4 round tournament because there is no source that says it's 5 rounds and assuming anything otherwise is original research, specifically WP:SYNTH which just means you can't use multiple sources and because of source a plus source b this equals c. We have literally no evidence the tournament will be 5 rounds and we can't assume because there's 5 days booked for the tournament that it will be 5 days. If anything, date and round should be completely blank.--Rockchalk717 03:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have changed it to reflect the uncertainty but made it clear the Big 12 only has the days booked at T-Mobile Center but has not announced a schedule. I also included the two possible ways the tournament can be done with 14 teams, a 4 round tournament where the top 2 seeds get a bye and a day in between rounds at some point or a 5-round tournament format similar to the Big Ten tournament. Though I did just come up with another possible format as a I was typing this, the first round is broken up over two days. Again, we do not know what the conference is planning but what I do know an additional round is not required with 14 teams. An example of how this can look can be found in the first blank bracket listed here.--Rockchalk717 05:41, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
- @173.216.89.204: This might be a waste of time because you haven't edited (not from this IP at least) since this comment but you were just proven wrong. Per KU's non-conference schedule release, the Big 12 tournament will be 4 rounds, not 5, and will be March 13-16 which means the 1st and 2nd seeds will have a bye while the other 12 teams will play in the first round.--Rockchalk717 00:34, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- I have changed it to reflect the uncertainty but made it clear the Big 12 only has the days booked at T-Mobile Center but has not announced a schedule. I also included the two possible ways the tournament can be done with 14 teams, a 4 round tournament where the top 2 seeds get a bye and a day in between rounds at some point or a 5-round tournament format similar to the Big Ten tournament. Though I did just come up with another possible format as a I was typing this, the first round is broken up over two days. Again, we do not know what the conference is planning but what I do know an additional round is not required with 14 teams. An example of how this can look can be found in the first blank bracket listed here.--Rockchalk717 05:41, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
Norma Hunt
The deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norma Hunt was closed as a withdrawn nomination despite multiple votes to not keep the article being present. This goes against WP:NAC which states The non-admin has demonstrated a potential conflict of interest, or lack of impartiality, by having expressed an opinion in the discussion or being otherwise involved, with the exception of closing their own withdrawn nomination as a speedy keep when all other viewpoints expressed were for keeping as well
(emphasis mine). A nominator wishing to withdraw a nomination with other delete/AFD votes standing is invited to strike their nominating statement and optionally add a "keep" vote.
I am not requesting this discussion be reopened, as I would have changed my vote to either "keep" or "neutral" in light of the new sources presented if I had returned to the AFD before it was it closed. Also making User:Duonaut aware, as this user's delete vote was still standing as well. Frank Anchor 20:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Considering the work done, it seems that enough sourcing is there to at least convince me to do the same as you. She seems now to have enough independent notability. However, thanks for bringing this to my attention. Duonaut (talk | contribs) 21:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Frank Anchor: So if 2 of the 3 delete or merge votes were going to change to keep, what's the point of reopening it? I get what you said and I closed it because of my misunderstanding of the nominator withdrawal policy but it really seems like reopening serves no purpose especially because that could shift it to potentially falling under the snowball clause which would result in it being closed anyway. So I don't see the point.--Rockchalk717 21:58, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Per my message above,
I am not requesting this discussion be reopened
. I was merely informing of your violation of WP:NAC, likely made in good faith, for your future reference. Thanks! Frank Anchor 19:24, 13 June 2023 (UTC)- @Frank Anchor: Oh my mistake! Definitely misread that lol. Gotcha. I just misunderstood the nominator closure policy is it. I don't nominate for deletion very often.--Rockchalk717 23:03, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Per my message above,
- @Frank Anchor: So if 2 of the 3 delete or merge votes were going to change to keep, what's the point of reopening it? I get what you said and I closed it because of my misunderstanding of the nominator withdrawal policy but it really seems like reopening serves no purpose especially because that could shift it to potentially falling under the snowball clause which would result in it being closed anyway. So I don't see the point.--Rockchalk717 21:58, 12 June 2023 (UTC)