User talk:Rockchalk717/Archives/2021/September

High school location in NFL infobox

I'm dropping the state for players who were born and went to high school in the same city because it's redundant to list (and link) to it twice within glancing distance of each other. It should be assumed to be the same place, but let's say if a player was born in Paris, France and went to high school in Paris, Texas, then it would be clearly noted. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Dissident93: What's established is including city and state in the high school parameter. There was no exception made for if the birthplace and high school location are the same. I understand your reasoning, it just goes against the current standard for the parameter.--Rockchalk717 18:50, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

There is no explicit guideline that says we have to be redundant with it either. Common sense should apply here (Wikipedia is really bad with this at times) but I'll make a post to gain proper consensus on WT:NFL just so everybody is on the same page and aware. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:51, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Lawerence nicknames

I started a bit of a debate over at Lawrence, Kansas when I discovered some of the sourcing on nicknames was less than stellar. Your input would be valuable. It’s outside my area of expertise. Grey Wanderer (talk) 02:35, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@Grey Wanderer: Sure, I can take a look. I don't have a lot of experience with editing pages about cities (mainly sports here) and see what I can do to help.--Rockchalk717 02:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Accidental rollback

Hey - sorry about that revert on Tommy Townsend. I was doing some off-wiki web browsing and I'm not even sure how it happened (I'm assuming I accidentally pulled up my WP watchlist). Even if I had seen a potential problem with a stats edit, that wouldn't usually be the kind of thing that is subject to rollback. My apologies! Larry Hockett (Talk) 18:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@Larry Hockett: No worries, I figured it was probably an accident. Appreciate the explanation.--Rockchalk717 19:39, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Travis Kelce

See Apposition#Restrictive versus non-restrictive. This is a textbook example (it's always a brother or sister) of restrictive vs non-restrictive appositives. If you don't believe our article, ask J. J. Abrams.

As for the first sentence, a father has already been introduced by the time we reach "although", so repeating "his father" is ambiguous and could refer to Travis's grandfather. Can you explain why it "doesn't make any sense"? Nardog (talk) 22:05, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

@Nardog: That article doesn't clear anything up. Based on what I'm reading in that section of that article commas are necessary. Regarding "the father" there is no issue ambiguity on that comment at all, but if you insist there is, then we should combine the wording we both used to eliminate the issue you have with it. Why it doesn't make sense is in English there is so few instances where you can say "the father" and have it logically make sense, this is not of those instances. I do have a comprise to suggest.

"Kelce during the 2021 offseason, revealed his surname has actually been pronounced wrong his entire career. Instead of /ˈkɛlsi/ KEL-see, he said it was actually pronounced /kɛls/ KELSS.(1st source here). Kelce's brother, Jason, later elaborated that their father "at some point ... got tired of correcting everyone calling him 'Kell-see.' ... And now I think we're both at the point where we're riding with Ed 'Kell-see.'"(2nd source here)."--Rockchalk717 05:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, since this conversation is boiling down to one on grammaticality, I'm consulting Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language about "the father" issue. Hopefully they can clear things up for us. As for the commas, please take another look at the "Nathan" example in our section. Is it our intention to say that he has "only one brother and, as an aside, his name is [Jason]"? If so, are there reliable sources that state Jason and Travis are each other's only brother?

That's not what the source says though. He did not say his surname has actually been pronounced wrong or it was actually pronounced /kɛls/. First of all, as far as any person's name is concerned, the only definitive authority on the pronunciation is the bearer. So one cannot possibly pronounce one's own name wrong, even if the rest of one's family pronounces it differently. We could call the other one an "older" or "more common" pronunciation if that's discernible from the given sources, but calling either one "correct" or "incorrect" is neither encyclopedic nor objective. In fact the source says Both "Kel-see" and "Kells" are, bizarrely, correct, and in the video Kelce explicitly says "I say /ˈkɛlsi/", which directly contradicts your version as far as I can see. Nardog (talk) 08:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

@Nardog: The current version I'm ok with. So I'm gonna leave it alone now since you seem to have gotten some grammar experts involved on it.--Rockchalk717 03:27, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

I've only asked them about the first sentence. Do you still maintain that the commas are necessary? If so, can you answer the questions two paragraphs above? (I'm not concerned about the punctuation in this one sentence of this one article as much as about our failure so far to come to a mutual understanding of what restrictive and non-restrictive appositives entail, which means one of us would continue writing the wrong sentences and running into similar conflicts.) Nardog (talk) 08:46, 25 September 2021 (UTC)