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Wikidata weekly summary #220[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.


Jimbo's talk page[edit]

For some very strange value of "senior" - funniest thing I've read all week. Thanks for it. Nthep (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:31, 18 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Digital Anthropology research[edit]

Hello Rich Farmbrough, My name is Stephanie Barker and I am a student at the University of Colorado Boulder. I am currently enrolled in a Digital Anthropology class, which attempts to answer how the digital world affects culture and how culture affects the digital world. For my final project I am doing an ethnography on women Wikipedia users and as a member of the WikiProject Women page I was hoping I could ask you some questions about your experiences editing Wikipedia pages. 1. Have you ever been locked into an intense editing war? If yes, please explain the situation to me. 2. How did you become interested in editing Wikipedia pages and did you have any initial fears/hesitations when you started editing pages? 3. Have you ever been a victim of a mass deletion or other vandalism on Wikipedia? If yes, please explain the situation to me. 4. How would you describe your gender? 5. Is there anything else you would like to share with me about your experiences as a Wikipedia editor? Thank you for taking the time to read this email. I would like you to know that I am only sharing my research with my professor and the other students in my class. If you would like me to send you a copy of my final project, I would be more than happy to! Sincerely, Stelba90 (talk) 00:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 04 August 2016[edit]

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Kappa Sigma[edit]

We'll see how long he keeps this up, my guess is quite some time. Also, the replacement of the image is almost certainly deliberate to remove the five letter abbreviation from the name.Naraht (talk) 21:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, at least he's responding at his talk page.Naraht (talk) 16:19, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ah that's good. Seemed like a good faith editor, who hadn't "got it". All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #221[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

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Query about Ancella Radford Bickley[edit]

Rich, could you check out this page and see if it has enough info to remove the tag. If not, what else is needed. Also since I've verified her date of birth could you remove the tag for no date of birth. Congrats on the "drama free days." Cheers,Beth Wellington (talk) 15:34, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. The birth year is simply a question of changing the category. When I make 1000 days, or maybe 1001, I'll have a party on my talk page. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:14, 9 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

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Proposed deletion of List of characters in The Canterbury Tales[edit]

The article List of characters in The Canterbury Tales has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

An ultimately empty list, no information not provided by the main article.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Killer Moff (talk) 18:55, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter (August 2016)[edit]

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Nomination for deletion of Template:DoD detainees ARB[edit]

Template:DoD detainees ARB has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:06, 11 August 2016 (UTC) ---[reply]

Abuse filters[edit]

Hi, because of an irritating AbuseFilter bug, we (Kaldari, MusikAnimal and I) are going to do an update next week that will affect some of your filters. We hope we'll fix all affected filters ourselves, but we're of course grateful if you want to help us. The issue is explained here; the current plan is here. In any case, we wanted you to be aware what's happening, and you're very welcome to help out of course. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 11:58, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've sent you an email with more details. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 12:03, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I guess action stations will be Weds and Thurs afternoon (PST) next week, which fits in with evening here, there's only about 74 rules affected, so should be fairly trivial to fix.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:36, 12 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
I'm working on these, see User:Rich Farmbrough/temp145 for a list. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:53, 13 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

list as[edit]

In my experience variations lead to undetected duplications. Moreover, AWB's plugin detects all parameters with spaces as errors. This will needs a serious rework to fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:06, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Magioladitis It's easy enough to look for list *as or {{{listas|{{{list as|}}}}}} isn't it? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 08:09, 13 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Parameters with space will lead to people adding double spaces etc. Or have listas and list as on the same template. I don't understand why this change is necessary to a template with millions of transclusions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:10, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Don't use "list as" in the biography banner. It is not recognized by any banner. All banners only recognize "listas". Bgwhite (talk) 08:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It was when I used it. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 08:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Because we use readable code where possible. There is no such word as "listas".
As to double spaces, they will be picked up by the category that monitors unrecognised parameters.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 08:18, 13 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Bgwhite is right on that. We also that al the other banners that inherit the sort from WPBIO. It's true that "listas" is two words but it is well established as parameters and we have many bots running out there. Changes in that level should be discussed first. Especially when by experience I am pretty sure that parameters variations leads to undesired situations. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Where do you go to discuss this. This unilateral move to millions of transclusions should be discussed first. they will be picked up by the category that monitors unrecognised parameters Great even more work to do. Bgwhite (talk) 08:23, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • We could discuss at this section.
  • I doubt that many double spaces will be inserted, and it trivial to fix them.
  • I have just cleared that category, and it took only a few moments. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 08:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Yet another minor argument is T99283. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:24, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are three parameters that are recognised by all WikiProject banners, these are |category=, |listas= and |small=. Other than Milhist (which is different from the majority of project banners in many ways, including that it interprets |category= differently and doesn't recognise |listas= at all), I know of no exceptions, and none where a parameter alias exists for these three. To introduce an exception is undesirable, since it then means that a param cannot be copied directly from one WikiProject banner transclusion to another. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:24, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Copied to discussion. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 09:26, 13 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Alfred A. Lama[edit]

Hello. Why did you change reqphoto to Photo requested please? Is this a new/better format? Does it make a difference? reqphoto seems quicker to type, but I could make an effort if it really makes a difference. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need, it has exactly the same effect. I prefer the latter as less obscure, but it is a marginal difference. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:49, 13 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

blp = yes with living = no[edit]

you seem to be tagging many articles that have living=no as blp=yes [1] and introducing duplicate |1= or duplicate |blp=yes. [2] not sure how you are planning to clean up the living=no with blp=yes. a bot will most likely clean up the duplicate parameters, but it seems like a bad idea to add more more for the bots. Frietjes (talk) 22:03, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm planning to cross check the entire biography corpus for living/dead. However, I'm not sure where these extra blp=yes are coming from. The extra 1= is probably just a typo, but I'll check. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:06, 14 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
I have cleaned up about 125 just in the last hour. You could add a regexp

/\|[ ]*1[ ]*=[ ]*\|/ → |

and

/(\|[ ]*blp[ ]*=[ ]*yes(?:\{\{[^{}]*\}\}|[^{}])*)\|[ ]*blp[ ]*=[ ]*yes/ → $1

after you are finished processing to clean up after yourself. I would also add /(\|[ ]*blp[ ]*=[ ]*yes(?:\{\{[^{}]*\}\}|[^{}])*)\{\{(?:WikiProject|WP)[ ]*[Bb]iography[^{}]*\|[ ]*living[ ]*=[ ]*n)/ → $1

to avoid adding blp=yes with living=no. Frietjes (talk) 22:17, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm fixing any remaining ones. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:20, 14 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Rich please be more careful when using AWB. You seem to be editing too fast to check these. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:50, 14 August 2016 (UTC) Further to the above I am checking a million pages for that error now. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Authority control[edit]

Hi, I'd like to have {{Authority control}} added to all Women in Red biographies, if this is not on the page already. The list of articles would be the bios on the WiR metrics' pages, going back to July 2015. Is this something AWB can do, and if you, something you would consider doing? --Rosiestep (talk) 01:15, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. I'll attempt to have a look this evening. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 07:20, 15 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
I think T.seppelt does that. I really don't care, who does that, just noting --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 08:24, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There is a bot adding/modifying Authority control. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I have a script and the approval for it. I didn't run it in a while. I'll have a look at it. --T.seppelt (talk) 10:56, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Rich, did it work? Are there still many articles left? Maybe it would be good if you could post a list or categories where I can find the pages you were referring to. Warm regards, -- T.seppelt (talk) 06:10, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:T.seppelt Yes I grabbed the pages from the metrics list. I have added the tempalte to about 10% of the articles. I'll upload a list of the rest soon, and ping you. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:31, 23 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Bio lists[edit]

I think Biography lists should be assessed as |class=list Category:List-Class biography articles. Then no listas will be required. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:08, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A |listas= is useful, as otherwise they all end up under L. So, Talk:List of 1747 Holy Roman Empire incumbents has |listas=1747 Holy Roman Empire Incumbents. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:18, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I will ensure they are all set to |class=list. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
What do you think about Deaths in May 2004? I would have thought this is better under "Deaths" than "May". Ideally "Deaths 2004-05". All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:56, 15 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
I think that can sort naturally (no |listas=) - it's not a "List of Foobars" article. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:24, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oxford Wikimedia Meetup[edit]

Please see m:Meetup/Oxford/42, rearranged for 28 August. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:42, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DEFAULTSORT conflicts[edit]

Hi Rich Farbrough, I made some corrections of your recent AWB sort tagging on some talk pages: one, two, three. The edits were putting the pages into Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts. Just an FYI. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 22:46, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #222[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 08:27, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AWB and position of templates[edit]

Hi, in this edit you moved {{EngvarB}} and {{Use dmy dates}} from the top to the bottom of the article. The documentation for "Use dmy dates" clearly says that it goes at the top; I know of nothing to suggest that "EngvarB" doesn't go at the top. I think this is yet another case where AWB seems to do some "fixes" with no justification. I've raised this at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser. PamD 17:40, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's me moving it to the bottom, manually, which is where {{Use dmy dates}}. I have always placed these templates at the bottom, they are trivial style templates that we should not be polluting the page source with. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:44, 17 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Template_talk:Use_dmy_dates#Placement is the almost deserted discussion about placement. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:51, 17 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Thank you[edit]

I really do appreciate you adding the listas parameter. Adding listas was one of the first things I did on Wikipedia. It sort of is like the first job one gets out of college, in which one always remembers, either fondly or in nightmares. It is nice seeing you constantly on my watchlist fixing listas. I do have a bot approved to add listas, but only for standard western names. If you have a group of standard names that you want the bot to edit on, just give a yell. Bgwhite (talk) 19:29, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I am doing this, to some extent, in memory of User:JimCubb who did an enormous amount of work on this backlog. I know there are others who are working on it too. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:31, 17 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
I consider JimCubb my mentor. He is the one who taught me about name sorting and many other things on Wikipedia. I do miss him. Bgwhite (talk) 07:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 18 August 2016[edit]

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Broken WikiProjects[edit]

See Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WikiProject ANE, Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WikiProject LoCE and Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WikiProject Pottery. The transclusions are all due to your edits like this. By not checking before saving, you are going against WP:AWB#Rules of use no. 1. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the first group and created a redirect for the second to clarify that its a WikiProject template. In the case of the WP LoCE template I really think that needs to be moved and renamed to be standardized like the other WikiProject templates seem to reflect. I understand that technically these edits broke those templates but they also identified a couple minor errors that are easily corrected and probably would not have otherwise been noticed. So no harm done IMO. Cheers! GustavoRomeo68 (talk) 21:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, my request was not to fix the redlinks by creating redirects (which I could easily have done myself), but to find out from Rich why those perfectly good transclusions of e.g. {{WP ANE}} were altered to redlinks e.g. {{WikiProject ANE}} and not left alone. WP:NOTBROKEN doesn't just mean 'do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken', it also means 'don't break working links even if those are redirects'. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:43, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks User:GustavoRomeo68! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:36, 19 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Thanks for binging this to my attention. I will investigate this in more detail this evening. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:36, 19 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Rich, User:Magioladitis/WikiProjects does all the necessary standardisations. I recommend that you use it instead of any other set of custom fixes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:15, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Currently in use. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:34, 19 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Duplicated parameters[edit]

You keep adding duplicated parameters. Examples: [3], [4], [5], [6]. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:35, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why add an empty template to an article?[edit]

Why add an {{authority control}} template to an article if it is empty? Just curious. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:44, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to break rules 3 and 4 of AWB's rules of use. I'd recommend stopping, or at least getting a bot to do these edits, per the rules of use for AWB. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
See #Authority control. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Oh and to englarge, the temaplate will dispaly new authorities when they are added to WIkidata. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:37, 23 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Authority control is added by KasparBot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:47, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #223[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 16:29, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:2012[edit]

Template:2012 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Pppery (talk) 11:47, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

G7'd. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:52, 25 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]
How about G7ing Template:2010 too? Pppery (talk) 13:58, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Upcoming editathons: Women in Nursing & Women Labor Activists[edit]

You are invited...

Women in Nursing editathon & Women Labor Activists editathon
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Speedy deletion nomination of Talk:Kalleguta[edit]

A tag has been placed on Talk:Kalleguta requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

incorrect wikiproject. Kalleguta is not in Finland.

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Wikidata weekly summary #224[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • Planet to Earth: this tool uses data from Wikidata to visualise the links between places on an astronomical body named after a place on planet Earth.
    • WikiDataScape is a Cytoscape app for interactive browsing of Wikidata.
    • The property "KML file" was created last week (see list below) and has already a full list of values, sample LUA module and property documentation page available (Property talk:P3096)
    • enabling data access in user language will be deployed on Wikidata on August 29
  • Development
    • Fixed a but where the text field doesn't always load when trying to add a statement (phabricator:T115267)
    • We're now also creating mediainfo entities when a statement is added to a non-existent media info entity (phabricator:T140760)
    • Fixed a but where the suggester would show information twice (phabricator:T143645)
    • The ArticlePlaceholder now also shows the links to other projects in the In Other Projects sidebar (phabricator:T141771)
    • Worked more in figuring out how to show usage tracking data (phabricator:T103091)
    • Made progress on Citoid support for Wikidata to make it easier to add useful and complete references (phabricator:T141856)
    • Worked on restore "purge without confirm" user right (phabricator:T143435)


Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 13:41, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Templates with incorrect documentation has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:Templates with incorrect documentation, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Cabayi (talk) 15:22, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The general rule is that categories are not emptied without a discussion. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:59, 31 August 2016 (UTC).[reply]

RfC on Quote Boxes.[edit]

Hi Rich. This is just a message to let you know that I have recently initiated a 'support/opposition' section at the RfC discussing the issues surrounding the use of "quote boxes" (here). As you previously expressed a view on this issue over at the MoS talk page several days ago, you may wish to reiterate your opinion in a 'support/oppose' format. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:53, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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