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Medals are OK. Nation of tournament has not been codified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_147#RfC_medals_in_infobox determined that all international tournaments are acceptable, but it did not make any statement about the location of the tournament. So you'll need a MoS or guideline to continue. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:25, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Do you have that discussion at FOOTY to support your claim? Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

1. Yes, I do: Medal template.
2. It is also shown in template examples Template:Medal and is used like that in every other sport.
3. It was already consensus since it was used like that for ages. Then someone changed it for no apparent reason without consulting anything. There isn't any guideline saying NOT to put in nations. Discussion you brought up was about wether to use the template and for what competition, and as you said, it did not make any statement about the location of the tournament, which is why it should stay as it was. BTW. Aren't you the same guy who deleted all medal boxes while that discussion was STILL in progress? Piotr Bart (talk) 13:06, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz:

I am sorry, I did not see your ping. Your initial claim was that it was from the football project. I can provide diffs if necessary. When I checked with the project they made it clear that nation is not required. The medal template is not part of the project, it is entirely separate. The project has made it clear that it is not necessary. There is ussion and so there is no consensus at the template. Please stop changing it for footballers until you get consensus from the project. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: Then do, because I can't find them. Piotr Bart (talk) 18:53, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

I see your comment in the archives, but Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_149#Medal_template_in_infobox_again is a direct question and the two participants stated that we had no consensus to include it and they do not like including the nation. You may want to open a new discussion pointing back to thno disce template's documentation. It may result in a change in that template's documentation. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz:

1. What do you mean NOW you see it? You didn't see it when I literally linked it above? Are you trying to tell me you didn't open any link I send?
2. No wonder I couldn't find that discussion. I was looking for it in around late February 2021 section, when you started to change the templates, not year after that.
3. As you can read in Wikipedia:Consensus#Through editing "Wikipedia consensus usually occurs implicitly. An edit has presumed consensus unless it is disputed or reverted. Should another editor revise that edit then the new edit will have presumed consensus unless it meets with disagreement." Your edit certainly met with disagreement as it could be seen reverted many time on various articles; For example someone even added note on Lionel Messi article saying to not delete nations, but now I see you got rid of it too. So not only you edited a then-current custom for whatever reason you don't want to tell me (or was seeing someone else do it was enough for you), but you also kept doing it despite seeing disapproval. If you really wanted that change you should come with discussion, not people who want to keep it as it was. I usually don't really like to start discussions etc., but this so painful to watch (I mean look eg in Messi article: now "winner" writing takes up 2/3 of template width, while year itself only 1/3, even it should be the opposite, and because of that medals are so far from the years, it's just the technical flaw) so I started a discussion myself. I also added other points that I don't really care about that much, but yeah, everyone saw that post, everyone could say anything, and that one person who decided to do that said they generally agree. So yeah, I will just ask the project again and be fine with whatever outcome, but at this point I am more irritated about you. First you "accidently" ignored my ping hoping I would just forget, than you decided you're too right to even click the first link i provided (and now, looking back, I should have guessed that earlier that you said "Your initial claim was that it was from the football project" like you though it was not). I am open-minded, I was looking forward to discuss with you, but now considering the above-mentioned, I don't think that willingness is mutual. Piotr Bart (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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