User talk:Pbrks/Archives/2022

Thanks!

Dear Pbrks, You're awesome. Thank you for all your work in the Photography workshop this year. You made many images better, and by doing so improved Wikipedia. You even took care of images with only faint watermarks, and I would like to thank you for your work. All the best, Vysotsky (talk) 16:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

It's no problem at all. Thank you for the kind words, they are very much appreciated! – Pbrks ^(t • c) 17:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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European Youth Olympic Festival logos

Hello, i dont know if you remember but several months ago you helped me with logos of past editions of EYOF. I'm affraid that i need your help once again. If you would have time i would be very thankfull if you could udate logos of three new editions of EYOF. If you have lenty work then im sorry. If you decide to help me again than i will be most thankfull.

Here is the list 2022 European Youth Olympic Winter Festival - www.eyof2022.fi 2022 European Youth Summer Olympic Festival - www.eyof2022.com 2023 European Youth Olympic Winter Festival - www.eyof2023.it Dancer1313 (talk) 15:18, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

@Dancer1313: All done! – Pbrks ^(t • c) 15:48, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Restored image

it's funny because you always banish what newbies do... Just change it to better version, not delete it HclUSA (talk) 01:00, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@HclUSA: I'm not sure what you mean by "always banish what newbies do." In regard to changing it to a better version -- I did. I replaced all instances of the SVG with the JPG (which you, in turn, reverted twice). In general, photographic images **should** be in jpg format. There is no reason to have a photographic image traced into an SVG. The resulting image will be massive in size and lose a ton of detail. I hope you understand. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 06:00, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

ClueBot III auto archiving

Hi, Pbrks. I am interested in ClueBot III auto archiving. You are using ClueBot III auto archiving. Do you prefer [User talk:Pbrks/Archive 2018] style or [User talk:Pbrks/Archives/2019] style? I want to help maintain consistency of your talk archives. Sawol (talk) 13:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

@Sawol: Hello. Probably "User talk:Pbrks/Archives/2019", but I really don't have too much of a preference. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 17:33, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

RLCS Article

I made recent edits to this article for visual clarity, syntax, and to remove non functional table information and would like to know why they were removed. 2604:CA00:128:A52D:0:0:861:1C1A (talk) 17:16, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

@2604:CA00:128:A52D:0:0:861:1C1A: Hello. Here is a breakdown:

• Per WP:HEADERS: Only the first word in the caption or header should be capitalized (except for proper nouns).
• Per MOS:ENTO: The en dash in a range is always unspaced, except when either or both elements of the range include at least one space, hyphen, or en dash.
• Per MOS:HYPHENCAPS: In article text, do not use a capital letter after a hyphen except for a proper name.
• Per WP:EL: one should generally avoid providing external links to... Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article. Moreover, Liquipedia is user-generated content and cannot be used as a source (also it is an unreliable source; see video-game reliable sources).
• Per MOS:CURRENCY: In general, the first mention of a particular currency should use its full, unambiguous signifier (e.g. A$52), with subsequent references using just the appropriate symbol (e.g. $88), unless this would be unclear.

Let me know if you have any questions. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 17:30, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

I assure you that I have no conflict of interest. Frustration with a rather obsessive immature heckler reddit group, yes. Conflict of interest, no. I can tell that they seem to ache to add personal commentary on why they think this system is inferior to their favorites and the people who run it [Intellivision Entertainment] losers. I am not affiliated with Intellivision Entertainment, have no reason to edit on their behalf, except common decency, and do not care if it succeeds or not, except as a novelty or alternative gaming entity, if it is deserving. Daltonsatom (talk) 22:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

It is, on some very modest scale, a topic of controversy, in that it's super-fans, haters and other vocal parties are small in number. Daltonsatom (talk) 23:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

As far as images, the article had no images. I tried to put up one of the console and the unique controller and it got taken down and I was told I needed ones owned by the owners. So, I bugged Intellivision a number of times to send me something of the console and controller, and that is what they contributed. I was told the guy who posted it wasn't the official owner and they took it down. I spent a lot of time figuring out the paperwork to certify it was permitted by it's owner and someone still tried to take it down, but, having the documentation, I was able to have it retained. So, after the effort involved, you can see why I might not care to have it removed. I really don't want to try to start from scratch on another image.Daltonsatom (talk) 23:51, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

You reverted to an obsolete logo for Sustainable Australia

Hi, I noticed you replaced the logo at Sustainable_Australia with a newer version on the 14th of January. A comment was added about using a transparent image. The previous version included the slogan #RedefiningGrowth. This image needs to be restored. You can see it is currently in use at https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/ . If you wish to make the December 13th version transparent, that is fine. Teraplane (talk) 22:16, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

@Teraplane: Hello. The slogan in not a part of the logo. Moreover, per Wikipedia:Logos#Logo choice: Logos that contain slogans should be omitted in favour of equivalent logos that do not. The slogans can be described in the article's prose, or the article's prose and infobox (not in the infobox alone). Let me know if you have any questions. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 22:25, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

eSports -> Esports

Hi, do you think AC Monza Team eSports should also be moved to AC Monza Team Esports (or AC Monza Team esports)? "eSports" seems to be the specific spelling the team uses, though. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: Hello. The team's official name should generally be used, so if they write it as "AC Monza Team eSports", we should too. Although, an argument could be made for "AC Monza Team Esports", since FIFA.gg (I believe this is the official FIFA esports website?) writes it as such. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 22:10, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Esports VOD links

Hello, what is the proper way to reference an official recording of an esports match? Specifically for League of Legends, Riot Games has both an official site [1] and an official YouTube channel [2] where VODs are posted. Are these not acceptable because they are videos? Or because they are primary sources? Is there a certain way they are done for traditional sports, or a precedent that has been set for esports? Thanks, Chaddude (talk) 14:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)Chaddude14

@Chaddude14: Hi. We generally don't use the matches themselves as sources, since it can easily lead to original research. As a rule of thumb on whether or not to include content in an article, we should only include content that third party reliable sources publish.

Licorice is a notable subject and warrants an article. However, there is quite a bit of unsourced information, as well as fancruft, in the draft. For example, I don't see sources for the following statements, and it's likely that these should simply be removed:

• ... with Ritchie preforming especially well in the latter game, going 7/0/6 on Kled.
• Ritchie's counterpick Hecarim made another appearance in Cloud9's match vs Gen.G where he shut down CuVee on Aatrox to help his team to an important win.
• Ritchie's Aatrox once again made its mark on two of the three games, neutralizing the mages picked by Afreeca's star toplaner Kiin.

The following statements are either unsourced or they are not actually present in the sources that are currently provided. I'm sure sources exist, however:

• In playoffs, Cloud9 were matched up against the eventual Champions, Team Liquid, and were swept 0–3, ending their run in the quarterfinals.
• This could/should be cut down a lot, as well: ... and Cloud9 chose to deploy even more unconventional strategies in the toplane; but this time, they were well answered. In Game 1, Cloud9 allowed their opponents to lock in toplane Viktor, a very contested and powerful champion, choosing to take Ekko as an unexpected counterpick. However, the matchup did not play out as expected, with Ritchie falling behind early, and eventuallt resulting in a loss. For Game 2, Cloud9 took Viktor immediately, but then later took Aatrox as well, sending Viktor to another lane. Although Ritchie's Aatrox went even in toplaner, Fnatic still took the game. Game 3 saw the Viktor vs Ekko runback, but once again, Ritchie struggled in the matchup and Cloud9 once again lost the Game 3, eending Cloud9's Cinderella run with a 0–3 sweep.
• With his new team, Ritchie's individual performance significantly improved, and with him at the helm, Golden Guardians achieved an even 6 wins and 6 losses after the trade, a significant step up from last place. They finished the 2021 regular season with an overall record of 14–31, setting up a tiebreaker with Ritchie's former team, FlyQuest, where the winner would receive the final spot in the playoffs. Golden Guardians prevailed, in large part due to Ritchie's performance on Renekton, in which he dominated FlyQuests new toplaner, Kumo, on Camille. Due to GG's victory, the team qualified for their second playoff appearance in the organization's history.

Let me know if you have any questions. I'm happy to help. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Got it, I see how it can come off that way, I actually added a lot of these later in the draft, as I realized I had mentioned little to nothing about his actual game play, just awards and how his team finished. Again, due to lack lack of quality articles about esports players, there wasn't really a precedent for me to follow, and basing Licorice's page off of formatting from football athletes can only take me so far. Would it be appropriate to remove specific individual games details from the "Career" section and add it as raw statistics in another section? Would take any sort of funcruft/original research discussions away. If so I would base them off of this site {https://oracleselixir.com/} which is run by what I believe to be a reliable journalist and is frequently used by Riot and the official broadcast for stats. Thanks again for your time, I appreciate it! Chaddude (talk) 20:28, 10 February 2022 (UTC)Chaddude14

@Chaddude14: That's precisely why many esports players do not have articles -- its much more difficult to find third-party reliable sources writing about specific individuals, rather than just the team's general performance. When writing esports players articles, I generally avoid writing too much about individual game events, unless they are well-covered playoff matches or championship matches. I wouldn't recommend using the Oracle link for a reference (they attribute Leaguepedia for some of their info, which is WP:UGC and therefore, is not reliable), as well as I don't recommend creating a dedicated stats section (WP:NOTSTATS), as most people would have no idea what they mean. I rarely include statistics, and if I do, I try to make sure that they are easily understandable and published by extremely reputable sources (e.g. ESPN). If you want some other points of references, here are a few articles I have written, that I think are not overly detailed, while still summarizing an esports player's career: birdring, Carpe, ChoiHyoBin, Fleta (gamer), super (gamer). I don't claim that the aforementioned articles are perfect (in fact, after reading again, some of them are slightly off WP:NPOV), but hopefully they help. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 23:56, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense, just feels strange as the games themselves are widely available. In sports can the broadcasters watching the game live and giving their analysis be a source? Also I read WP:NOTSTATS, and was wondering if converting a couple general stats to rankings would be appropriate, something along the lines of (2018 - 2nd in KDA among Toplaners, 2019 - 4th in KDA among Toplaners) to keep it concise and easy to digest. {https://gol.gg/esports/home/} would be the other site, or I could exclusively use stats that come directly from Riot and LoLEsports. Also also, from reading the articles you suggested, I noticed that some of the more popular Overwatch hero's having pages, while others such as Baptiste do not. Is there a reasonable threshold of popularity and that some of them reach and others don't? Or are some of them deserving of pages that just haven't been written yet. Also also also, I noticed that some League characters redirect to the League page, such as Kled but others like Viktor, don't, and none of them have their own page (that I'm aware of). Of course League has about 5x as many characters, but should they have links and/or pages? Once again I appreciate you taking your time to help me out. Chaddude (talk) 13:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)Chaddude14

@Chaddude14: On the front page of gol.gg, it states: Hi, I'm Bynjee, I'm a developper [sic]. I started Games of Legends in 2014 because I couldn't find these kind of stats. Seems like a by-gamer-for-gamers kind of website, with typo errors to boot. I don't think dedicated sections are appropriate. Stats from Riot or LoL is not appropriate either; you should only include stats that are published by reliable third-party sources, and if so, it would be best to include the stat in prose.

The popularity of a character is not enough to warrant an article; there needs to be significant coverage of a video game character in order to justify them getting their own article. The folks over at WP:VG are very strict on this (which is a good thing). Viktor does redirect to the LoL page (Viktor (League of Legends)). I don't know much about the LoL characters, so I can't say much in regards to their notability. Possibly the main character(s) from Arcane (TV series) would be notable enough for their own now, since it may be that they have much more media coverage, but I am not sure. I think a List of League of Legends characters could be warranted, but again, the topic of "League of Legends characters" as a whole would need significant coverage by third-party reliable sources. Lastly, I wouldn't add links in Licorice to LoL characters at the moment, since the link will just redirect them to the main LoL Wiki page, which is not very helpful for readers. Except for Jinx (League of Legends) -- she has her own page. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 15:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good, the complete list and the Arcane characters sound like good ideas, although long projects to be sure. Looks like I need to find some better articles when writing a full biography or similar. Thanks again! Chaddude (talk) 16:31, 11 February 2022 (UTC)Chaddude

WP:AFC Helper News

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

• AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
• The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:FILMSERIES

I notice you approved the DRAFT article Turner & Hooch (franchise) and rated it C class. It barely looks Start class to me ("a usable amount of good content", "weak in many areas", "article should satisfy fundamental content policies" "the referencing is inadequate, although enough sources are usually provided to establish verifiability"). It does not seem as if it passes WP:FILMSERIES or even WP:GNG. There is a rash of franchise articles that have been approved too early with very little information in them, and in my opinion very little chance of ever becoming {{good article}}s.

I understand the desire to encourage editors and be generous when reviewing DRAFT articles but Wikipedia does not need even more low quality redundant repetitive series/franchise articles with little chance of going anywhere.

Please review WP:FILMSERIES. Please reconsider your rating of Turner & Hooch (franchise) and if it should be returned to DRAFT space. -- 109.77.202.187 (talk) 13:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@109.77.202.187: C-Class seems appropriate on the WP:AFC quality scale, but you are welcome to change it. The ratings for other WikiProjects were done by a different user. If you believe that the subject does not meet GNG or SNG, you may nominate it for deletion. Thanks. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 16:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I might do that, but please do read WP:FILMSERIES and carefully consider if any more of these kinds of articles should be allowed out of DRAFT space in the first place. -- 109.77.202.187 (talk) 22:14, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Hairpin technology Decline

Hello, you recently declined the article about Hairpin technology. Actually, this is only a translated version of an article that already exists in the German Wikipedia. We are a Chair of a University, all the claims are covered by the named books, websites and publications. Most of them unfortunately are only available in German, which doesn´t mean they aren´t reliable sources. PEM RWTH (talk) 03:47, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@PEM RWTH: Every claim needs to be supported by a reliable source, e.g. According to the winding scheme, each layer of hairpin ends is twisted. Each layer of hairpin ends is twisted in accordance with the winding scheme. During the associated rotation the tool has to be moved in an axial motion for height compensation. To ensure axial accessibility for the hairpin ends must be radially exposed in a preparatory step. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 04:19, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Evil Lives Here: Shadows of Death page

I don't understand the decline. How can I provide sources for a show that clearly exists one could find with a Google search? I even have the link to the show's episodes and info on the network's website you can search through to see how REAL it is. NosferatuTheVamypre (talk) - 21 February 2022, at 03:18. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NosferatuTheVamypre (talk • contribs) 03:18, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@NosferatuTheVamypre: We need sourcing in the article in order to verify that the information is correct. Moreover, Existence ≠ Notability. The subject must meet the general notability guidelines; we need significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject to show that the topic is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Let me know if you have any questions. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 03:28, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Can you provide me with credible source examples I can use? There are articles on the show, but it's not exactly a BIG show so a lot of the sources are generic sites that are pretty much near the level to your basic blogs. [You might notice my username is slightly misspelled, I made a mistake while making this account and it was thankfully fixed just a moment ago] - NosferatuTheVampyre (talk) - 21 February 2022, at 03:42.

Nevermind, I found some good article sources. The amount was bare because as I said, it's not a high-top show that gets much attention, but I found four good sources altogether; one on the ID site of the show's page, a Futon page, an article about auditions for Season 2 episode 1 I had to throw in there somehow and finally one on TV Tango mentioning it with some descriptions of it overall and when its seasons aired. I hope this is good. Also, the title needs to be changed to SHADOWS. I forgot to add the "S" at the end of that. Review it again, let me know what you think. - NosferatuTheVampyre (talk) - 21 February 2022, at 04:58.

Question about watermark removal.

Hello,

  I was wondering how you go about removing watermarks from photographic images. What software do you use for this process? What are your techniques and/or do you have any hot tips or valuable insights from all your experience? I suspect there is no general advice, and it really depends on the type of watermark in question and the particular circumstances. Still, if you can recommend some software that indispensable for this process, that would be super helpful. 
  
  Lastly, this is just out of curiosity, presume you wanted to make a watermark that was difficult or resistant to removal, what approach would you use? Or said differently, is there a type of watermarking that is particularly difficult or laborious to remove?
  
  Thank you in advance for all that you do,

DrBurningBunny (talk) 13:20, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@DrBurningBunny: I use GIMP for watermark removal. Like you said, there is no one method that will work every time, but generally, I use GIMP's "clone" and "heal" tools for opaque watermarks (for translucent watermarks, sometimes you can just adjust the color and do some light cleanup). Obviously, the larger the watermark, more likely, the harder it will be to remove. The most laborious watermarks to remove are opaque watermarks, but it really matters where they are placed. If a watermark is sitting on top of a very plain part of an image, the removal will be quite easy (e.g., see the image history of File:Golghaltan 20190504 01.jpg). However, if the watermark is on top of a complex part of the image, it will be much more difficult (e.g. File:England U19 squad v Greece U19.jpg, it being over the shoes makes it difficult to remove and still look nice). – Pbrks ^(t • c) 18:51, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Where can I ask questions related to finding sources?

Hi Pbrks!, where can I ask this question: Could anyone suggest some websites that are considered as reliable sources to find info about Japanese boy bands? I had asked this question on Wikiproject Japan but anyone didn't replied to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resmise (talk • contribs)

@Resmise: Hello. I would recommend asking over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Music. They should be able to help you find reliable sources regarding to music and bands. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 18:55, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Request on 04:10:51, 22 February 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by BillJAtKorg

• BillJAtKorg (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Vast Conduit (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I am new to wikipedia so I hope I am doing this correctly...

I just received a message that the Vast Conduit page was not accepted. I want to confirm whether sourcing several reviews from independent sources of the debut album will qualify for the independent, reliable secondary sources that are required independently of my personal writing of the page.

BillJAtKorg (talk) 04:10, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@BillJAtKorg: Yes, significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in multiple published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject would show that the topic is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 18:44, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm asking for help

Hello, dear friend. I had made a draft entitled Seyyed Mahmoud Razavi, and this draft was rejected due to lack of resources, and you left a message for me on my Wikipedia talk page. I wanted to ask you for help and if possible help me to publish this article according to the rules and frameworks of Wikipedia. Can you help me?Ahmad1387 (talk) 18:08, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ahmad1387: The draft needs better references. I would recommend fining sources from reputable news agencies. You can find a partial list of reliable/unreliable sources at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, and you can use it's accompanied Custom Google Search to only give results from the reliable sources found on that page. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 18:59, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Is it not possible for you to do this and I will learn from you ?? Because I do not know what to do now? Is it not possible for you to complete the article and publish it and I will learn from you ?? You will help me a lot to learn if you do me this favor and complete the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmad1387 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ahmad1387: Sorry, I have my own projects that I am working on, and do not have time to take on another. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 19:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello again . I'm sorry my number of questions has increased a bit and I'll take your time. Following my instructions, I went to the draft of my article and expanded its sources and added credible sources. I ask you to review the draft:Seyyed MahmoudM Razavi again and if there is no problem, publish it and if there is a problem, tell me that problem so that I can fix it.

Well thanks for nothing

You never responded to my last posts on the Evil Lives Here: Shadows of Death section and I provided sources that you never bothered to review for me. The page was reviewed and rejected by someone else who didn't like them. But gee, you could have helped me a bit further instead of leaving me out to dry. I'm gonna continue to pursue this though. The TYPES of sites I should use and HOW to use them, please inform me on what to do. - NosferatuTheVampyre (talk) - 22 February 2022, at 04:40. — Preceding undated comment added 04:41, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

So far, I came across these sources mentioning the show: https://corporate.discovery.com/discovery-newsroom/evil-lives-here-returns-for-another-chilling-season-featuring-the-iconic-series-100th-episode/, which is mainly about the parent show with the spinoff briefly mentioned at the end under the "About Red Marble Media" section: "In EVIL LIVES HERE, we broke the whodunit rules to create a series with a unique, intense POV. We followed that series with more true crime hits like SHATTERED and EVIL LIVES HERE: SHADOWS OF DEATH.". A source like this one of a few provided on the parent show's page so I can't imagine the spinoff needed many to prove its case. I can't find one by this source on the spinoff so we're out of luck there. Then there's this audition for Season 2 episode 3 of Shadows of Death: https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/now-casting-a-new-hbo-pilot-needs-talent-74362/. Can't see how THAT isn't credible. There's this: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2021/03/19/discoveryplus-true-crime-highlights-weeks-of-march-29-and-april-5-881413/20210319id01/. Futon is a great web source for episodes I see. I don't see how THIS: https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/show/evil-lives-here-shadows-of-death-investigation-discovery can't be simply used since it's from the airing channel's site and has all the info needed to warrant a page here: episodes, plot info, show description, airdates, like come on now. - NosferatuTheVampyre (talk) - 22 February 2022, at 04:55. — Preceding undated comment added 04:55, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Found two more sources. Then there's this mentioning the Season 2 premiere on June 16th, 2021: https://www.daily-journal.com/life/entertainment/penguin-town-a-species-last-resort/article_479c1ade-cd0e-11eb-bbad-5f4aa1a9a667.html. Then there's this article on a cop who was killed whose case is featured on the show: https://patch.com/california/manhattanbeach/manhattan-beach-remembers-police-officer-martin-ganz-12-27. I'll added this to the article for sure since it looks credible. Then there's some conflicting info here regarding Season 2 episode 3: "I Forgive you". According to this: https://www.channelguidemag.com/tv-news/2021/04/10/saturday-april-10-carey-mulligan-kid-cudi-snl/, it was suppose to air on April 11th, 2021 as the season premiere. The channel website has it airing on April 25th, but it's the third episode in the season. Futon: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/evil-lives-here-shadows-of-death/listings/ has it airing on June 30th, which makes the most sense given its place in the episode list and when the first two episodes aired in June. Perhaps I can add something to the article about Episode 3 originally being the season premiere but was shelved and aired third in the season? Still looking for sources, but I'm telling you, info on this show from CREDIBLE high top sites is practically non-existent. I'm surprised to have found what I did so far that should be tolerable. - NosferatuTheVampyre (talk) - 22 February 2022, at 05:41. — Preceding undated comment added 05:41, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@NosferatuTheVampyre: Again, we need significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject to show that the topic is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. I'll run through the sources you have provided:

• https://corporate.discovery.com/discovery-newsroom/evil-lives-here-returns-for-another-chilling-season-featuring-the-iconic-series-100th-episode/ Not independent of the subject.
• https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/now-casting-a-new-hbo-pilot-needs-talent-74362/ I'm not sure how you would use this in the article. In any event, it is not significant coverage of the subject.
• http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2021/03/19/discoveryplus-true-crime-highlights-weeks-of-march-29-and-april-5-881413/20210319id01/ This is a press release from Discovery, so not independent of the subject.
• https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/show/evil-lives-here-shadows-of-death-investigation-discovery Not independent of the subject.
• https://www.daily-journal.com/life/entertainment/penguin-town-a-species-last-resort/article_479c1ade-cd0e-11eb-bbad-5f4aa1a9a667.html Not significant coverage of the subject.
• https://patch.com/california/manhattanbeach/manhattan-beach-remembers-police-officer-martin-ganz-12-27 Not significant coverage of the subject.
• https://www.channelguidemag.com/tv-news/2021/04/10/saturday-april-10-carey-mulligan-kid-cudi-snl/ Not significant coverage of the subject.
• http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/evil-lives-here-shadows-of-death/listings/ Not significant coverage of the subject.

Regardless of how important you think a subject is, it must meet the notability standards for inclusion on Wikipedia. If other, reliable, independent websites have not covered a subject in a significant manner, Wikipedia will not cover it either. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 18:41, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

The first source is only relevant mentioning the show, not much to really get from it. But it's a source used on the parent show's page for something else so I figured a similar one mentioning the spinoff should be significant in a way. Backstage is made of use because it can address the whole covid thing on behalf of the participants of the show which I made a statement of. I don't see how a press release isn't credible when it's from the people who run the show and its basically information on the show's episodes and airdates. The article on the cop's death is detailing what happened and that his case is featured on the show. Investigation Discovery's site on the show, I really don't get the "not independent of subject" when it literally IS the subject and perhaps the most credible and substantial info of them all since it's from the site of the channel that runs the show. - NosferatuTheVampyre (talk) - 22 February 2022, at 19:10. — Preceding undated comment added 19:10, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@NosferatuTheVampyre: I think you are confusing reliable sources with sources that demonstrate notability. Yes, press releases are reliable (usually); however, they cannot be used to demonstrate that a subject is notable. I can start up the company "Pbrks Pancakes" and throw out a bunch of press releases... but that doesn't mean that my pancake business should be on Wikipedia, even though there exist reliable press releases. To demonstrate notability, we want to see that other people care enough to write about the subject. So, sure, a press release can be used as a source, but it cannot be used to assert notability. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 00:01, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Well it doesn't seem like it's not just "other people" but certain ones that have sources high enough for your interest. Maybe if President Joe Biden wrote about the show it would be of standard to you and what this site wants. I came across two more articles on the show, one of the Chicago Tribune which mentions a case depicted on the show: https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/what-to-watch/ct-ent-frank-buschauer-evil-lives-here-20210412-4mf7gtg4cvcxtda2gdfpj2nsxi-story.html and this one from another press site: https://www.pressreader.com/usa/albany-times-union/20201105/282308207619609, but I don't know if they are even worth using because it only mentions a particular episode. I went through ELEVEN pages of the show's search through Google (all there was eleven, no further) and couldn't find anything else higher than what I have provided to you. So I guess this show just isn't warranted of a page and I notice not a lot of crime shows do that are on a much lower scale than this one. It is what it is I guess. - NosferatuTheVampyre (talk) - 23 February 2022, at 00:10.

@NosferatuTheVampyre: As much as I would like to go through all of the other crime shows, run through all of their sources, and determine if they should be nominated for deletion, I simply do not have the time to do so. Unfortunately, other stuff exists. These aren't my standards, these are Wikipedia's standards. Writing a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, and having your article not accepted/deleted is very frustrating -- it's happened to me as well. However, if you are not able to find the appropriate sourcing to create a new draft, that does not mean that Evil Lives Here: Shadows Of Death information cannot be included at all. It would be appropriate to include it in the article Evil Lives Here, much in the same way that, say, the spinoff Josie and the Pussycats in Outer Space is redirected to it's own section in Josie and the Pussycats (TV series) – Pbrks ^(t • c) 00:38, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I figured to do something like Jose and the Pussycats, but wasn't sure if I could do that unless the same rules applied if Shadows of Death could warrant being added to an already existing page. But it's fitting if the spinoff can't warrant its own page. I just didn't want the parent show's page to run too long with the episode list of that show making it long already, but that could probably be given its own episode list page at this rate to shorten things up. I'll figure that all out. - NosferatuTheVampyre (talk) - 23 February 2022, at 02:07. — Preceding undated comment added 02:07, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@NosferatuTheVampyre: I wouldn't worry too much about the length. If it does become overly long, this can be remidied with a "List of Evil Lives Here episodes" article (similar to List of Futurama episodes or List of Initial D episodes), but considering that the article does not contain much prose as it is, it should be fine for now. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 02:29, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I did just that a few hours ago before my nap. It doesn't look too bad, but suitable enough. This will have to do for now. At least the spinoff has somewhat of a page if it's not its OWN one. This I can deal with. - NosferatuTheVampyre (talk) - 23 February 2022, at 08:07.

@NosferatuTheVampyre: Glad we could find an acceptable outcome. Let me know if you need anything else. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 17:16, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing. Glad we could come to some form of solution here. - NosferatuTheVampyre (talk) - 24 February 2022, at 00:57.

Request help and review

Hello again . I'm sorry my number of questions has increased a bit and I'll take your time. Following my instructions, I went to the draft of my article and expanded its sources and added credible sources. I ask you to review the draft:Seyyed Mahmoud Razavi again and if there is no problem, publish it and if there is a problem, tell me that problem so that I can fix it. Sorry if I resent my message. If you can not do anything, thank you for telling me not to disturb your precious time and not to waste your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmad1387 (talk • contribs)

@Ahmad1387: Hi. I would again decline the draft. As I mentioned before, Wikis and Google Search are not acceptable sources; IMBD is also not an acceptable source (WP:UGC). Moreover, the entire "awards" section of the draft is unsourced. Also, be sure not to overcite claims; there should almost never be five references following a single sentence. As a side note, whenever you comment on a talk page, like this one, make sure to sign your name at the end of the comment by typing ~~~~. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 19:03, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

What site and source is Wikipedia looking for to approve the article? That is, if someone wants to create a page for a producer like Mr. Mahmoud Razavi, what source and what site should be added that Wikipedia approves ?? I also apologize for the series of resource contracts. This is due to my inexperience in writing articles. I will definitely sign my messages at the end.Ahmad1387 (talk) 19:13, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

My dear teacher and guide. I'm really sorry that I have so many questions. Whenever you feel that my questions are bothering you, tell me to stop this process and not ask you any more questions. I had a new question. I referred to similar articles by Iranian cinema producers such as Mohsen Chegini and examined their structure and sources. An article like Mohsen Chegini's article has been approved based on only 3 sources. If I have added 12 sources for the draft: Seyyed Mahmoud Razavi, but again you said that the article is not acceptable. Thank you Rajab for explaining that I have a better understanding of the subject .Ahmad1387 (talk) 19:55, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ahmad1387: The article Mohsen Chegini isn't exactly a good article to base your draft on... other stuff exists, but we are not talking about Mohsen Chegini, we are talking about your draft. As I mentioned before, you can find a partial list of reliable/unreliable sources at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, and you can use it's accompanied Custom Google Search to only give results from the reliable sources found on that page. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 00:06, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Untitled

The draft Draft: Sacred Heart Chapel can be made better by adding more info from more sources, correct? Once this is done can I simply just move the draft back to an article instead of doing that submission thing, it’s very lengthy and I feel what I’ll add will completely meet expectations. TheCoolestKidHere (talk) 02:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@TheCoolestKidHere: I would not recommend moving the draft back to the mainspace, but rather, you should submit it for more experienced editors to review. This will ensure that the article does not get sent back to the draftspace, or worse, gets nominated for deletion. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 02:57, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Question

Hello again, my best friend on Wikipedia. I re-expanded the draft:Seyyed Mahmoud Razavi and added other sources to it. Now, almost 17 sources have been added to it, some of which are the best and most reliable sources in Iran. I ask you to review my draft again and if it has any bugs, confirm it and if there are any bugs again, tell me to correct it. Thank you very much Ahmad1387 (talk) 11:11, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ahmad1387: Again: blogen.wiki, Google Search, and IMBD are not reliable sources. This is the third time I have told you this, yet they are still present in your draft. I have already denied it once, so I think I will let another user review the draft at this point. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 17:15, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Sam O'Nella Miller

Help to improve my article: This is my first Wikipedia article and it would be greatly appreciated if you tell me what i can do to get my article resubmitted (The more detail and specifics the better) Kade Milne Anderson (talk) 02:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kade Milne Anderson: The draft needs references that show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Wikis (Fandoms) are not reliable (they are user-generated content), and the YouTube sources are the subjects' own videos, so they are primary. See the general notability guidelines for more information. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 02:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pbrks and Pbrks: Coolio. so can i still have those refrences in the article as long as i add more, or do i have to completly strip the citations. Kade Milne Anderson (talk) 02:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kade Milne Anderson: The Fandom source needs to go. The primary YouTube sources should only be used to make straightforward, descriptive statements that any educated person will be able to verify are directly supported by the source. Wikipedia:Identifying and using primary sources explains this, and more, in detail. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 02:47, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pbrks and Pbrks:brotato chip, you have no idea how much that helped. I think I corrected the mistakes, removed some unneeded text, and added a new section detailing a recent controversy covered by mainstream media outlets. I just have one last question, is Social blade a valid resource? its just statistics so I don't see why not, but better safe than sorry. You're a god. Kade Milne Anderson (talk) 03:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kade Milne Anderson: I don't think the current sources in the draft will be enough to demonstrate notability. I did a Google search, and I didn't really find any reliable sources that contain significant coverage of Sam O'Nella. Frankly, I don't think you'll be able to get the draft accepted, unfortunately. But since I sent it to the draftspace in the first place, I'll leave it to another reviewer to check the submitted draft. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 05:51, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Help with transparent background reverts

Hi Pbrks, thanks for almost single-handedly clearing out Category:Images that should have transparent backgrounds. I am trying to do my part and I replaced two images with transparent versions: File:World Lacrosse logo.png, File:World Netball.png. For some reason my edits have been reverted twice by two seperate users without a stated reason. To avoid edit warring I don't want to revert further, and I'm wondering if you have any advice. Auguel (talk) 02:44, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Auguel: Hi. I'm surprised someone noticed! Thanks for trying to get transparent images. The category had over 2,000 images in it, so it was a long process :) I reverted the World Netball image to the transparent version. The only thing I can think of is that Markuss86 is trying to upload higher resolution images (for the World Netball one, it was simply reduced back due to WP:NFC guidelines). It's in my opinion that both of the transparent versions are just fine, but if not, I can remove the background for the World Lacrosse logo so that its at the higher resolution. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 03:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	thanks for helping me out bro Kade Milne Anderson (talk) 03:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Thomas Hargreaves

The information in this article is sourced entirely from the Dictionary of National Biography, which is in the public domain, and it is referenced. There is no CopyVio here. See WP:WPDNB I ask that you remove the Speedy deletion nomination. Ficaia (talk) 07:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia: Thanks for letting me know. That was a gross oversight on my part! – Pbrks ^(t • c) 07:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

A question about the AfC you rejected—

You said it was poorly sourced, but I just translated it from the Hebrew article, should I put {{BLP source}} on the Hebrew page as well? QuickQuokka ^[talk] 16:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Simply translating an article does not mean that it will be in an acceptable state for the English Wikipedia. I declined your submission because most of the claims in it were unsourced (basically the entire biography section). Let me know if you have any questions. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 17:01, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pbrks: No, I know it's poorly sourced and unacceptable, I'm planning on fixing that. That's why I'm asking if I should put the {{BLP source}} template on the Hebrew page too. QuickQuokka ^[talk] 17:05, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Oh, sorry! If the Hebrew Wikipedia has similar standards as the English Wikipedia, then yes, absolutely. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 17:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pbrks: The WP:BLP and {{BLP source}} pages don't have a Hebrew version, so I'm guessing they don't have the same editorial standards.

Another question: How can I bypass article paywalls? The Hebrew article has this as a source, but I don't want to add it without knowing what it says. 12ft.io didn't work 😕 QuickQuokka ^[talk] 17:14, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: You can ask over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. I think there are also dedicated forums (maybe even Reddit) where you can ask as well. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 17:39, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Request a review

Hello, dear master. I follow your instructions and comments about the draft:Seyyed Mahmoud Razavi. I edited the article and deleted resources like imbd, blogen.wiki and Google search from the draft and added new and valid sources. I ask you to review my draft if possible and confirm it if it has the minimum conditions for approval, and I will do my best to get better training and ask Wikipedia's staff and my ability to create an article. To raise. I would love to have my article published and write my first article on Wikipedia. Over the past few days, I have done my best to expand the article, making it better and more comprehensive than many other approved articles, and adding a lot of resources.I hope this time my article has the minimum approval conditions and you confirm it . Ahmad1387 (talk) 21:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I asked this question on Wikiproject Music but no-one answered it.

I had asked this question on Wikiproject Music: Could anyone suggest some websites that are considered as reliable sources to find information about Japanese boy bands?; but no one answered it. I think that Wikiproject music group isn't very active. What can I do now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resmise (talk • contribs) 16:00, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Resmise: I can't speak much to what Japanese sources are considered reliable. In many instances, you should just "know" whether or not a source is reliable. For example, (I know you already removed this) consider https://jpop.fandom.com/wiki/MADKID. You should ask yourself: "Who wrote this?", "Is the website/author reputable in regards to their journalistic works?", "Is it well-written?". The answer to these three questions for the aforementioned website is "A lot of random people (user-generated content)", "No, its a fan site", "I guess, but it's only, like, three sentences". So, you should conclude that, no, it is not a reliable source. Basically, look for well-known, reputable news outlets. Make sure the page has a real author (not fan writings), and make sure it is well-written.

Now, a reliable source does not necessarily help prove that a topic is notable. The following can be reliable sources (so they can be included), but they would not assert notability: interviews, press releases, articles with only a passing mention of the subject, articles published by an entity that has ties with the subject (e.g., a Nippon Columbia article about Madkid).

You can also check out Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, a where common sources are listed. You can also check out Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, a place where people ask if particular sources are considered reliable. If you are unsure about a particular source, there is a search bar near the top where you can see if anyone has asked about that source before. If not, you can start a discussion yourself. This page is active, so you will very likely get a response. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 16:50, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pbrks:Ok and thanks for the simple explanation about reliable sources. Resmise (talk) 12:02, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

guidance request

Dear Master, you did not answer my previous message. I need help. I corrected my article, thank you for checking it again if there is a problem. Tell me the problems so I can fix it. Following your instructions, I deleted sources such as imbd and blogen.wiki that were not trusted sources. Thanks if you have any other problems tell me.Ahmad1387 (talk) 22:00, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ahmad1387: Hello. As I said before, I will leave it for another editor to review at this point. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 00:02, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pbrks: thanks a lot . Is it possible for my article to be re-disqualified by another editor?Ahmad1387 (talk) 11:21, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Is there a problem with the content?

Draft:Animedia. I'm just wondering if the content is too short to be accepted.WillsEdtior777 (talk) 03:00, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@WillsEdtior777: No, the article length is just fine. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 06:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Oza-Nogogo draft

Hi dear, As I am new editor, Can you please guide me what improvements are needed in the article which you have moved to draft name Oza-Nogogo. Should I reduce the content of the draft or any thing else.

Thank you very much in advance for your co-operation. USZSI (talk) 17:56, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@USZSI: Hello. Locations such as these are usually assumed notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia; however, the article was in very poor shape, which is why I sent it to the draft space. For one, please do not write in all caps and do not bolden headers. Also, some of the references are not reliable. For example, https://blessingotabor.blogspot.com/ is not a reliable source (it is a blog), and https://oapub.org/ has been deemed a predatory journal. Also, like I mentioned on your talk page, many of the references do not work. For example, the iproject.com.ng reference links to no information, all of the ikaworld.com links do not work at all, climateknowledgeportal.worldbank.org does not link to any info. Make sure that your references directly link to relevant information. I should not have to search through a website to find the information that is claimed in the article. If you have any other questions, let me know. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 18:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you dear, you are the one who is very helpful. I will resubmit it again as per your instruction. USZSI (talk) 18:25, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear Senior, I have Re submitted the draft for your kind consideration. USZSI (talk) 19:13, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Help with Wiki Page

Hello, my recent draft was rejected, I am new to this, I want to improve on the content creation and updating on wiki, can you please guide me through my first page and guide me what was the reason for rejections and how I can improve, would help a lot. Draft Name: True Rippers Esports Kiranhdg (talk) 20:49, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kiranhdg: Hello. I left a comment on the draft page (you can see it near the top). I would work on fixing the issues I noted. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 21:38, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Request on 17:25:42, 9 March 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Giovanists

• Giovanists (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Peirópolis (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

To clarify further
Hello,

The Most part of the sources for this page i'm trying to create unfortunately is not available in english.

I've found very little information about Peiropolis, I saw it is not in wikipedia (enlgish) but only in Portuguese. The primary source (citation) I have included (the pdf file GEOHERITAGE) was actually an article used in the graduation work. The authors made a deep research about the location of Peiropolis, showing the details and the importance that this location represents. The work is in PDF.

Well, I removed the other sources and changed  them for new ones. I din't know about the Wikifandom issue but i also replaced the previous source with a new one, though.

Hope it helps. Thank you.

Giovanists (talk) 17:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC) Ok.

@Giovanists: It is okay to use sources that are not in English, so long as they are reliable. Be sure that every claim in the draft is supported by a source, which is best done by using in-line citation directly following the claim. For example, as it stands, the sentence A life size replica of titanosaur stand at the entrance of the museum. is seemingly unsourced. In general, a paragraph should always end with a reference. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 17:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft of Charlotte Jacquot

Hey there @Pbrks, You draftified my article Draft:Charlotte Jacquot and I was wondering how I could fix this to move the article into mainspace. Thanks:) JuxtaposedJacob (talk) 04:57, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@JuxtaposedJacob: Hello. It appears that all of the sources currently referenced are primary and/or not independent of the subject. Check out general notability guidelines as well as the notability guidelines for biographies. We need more references that contain significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 20:58, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Is this source enough for that Draft Article?

Is this source enough for the Madkid draft article or do I need to add more sources?

Source: https://www.billboard-japan.com/special/detail/2503

From: Billboard Japan

Translation:

Interview with MADKID's single "GIANT KILLING"

Resmise (talk) 16:44, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@Resmise: Hi. I removed the translation; please avoid copy-and-pasting anything into Wikipedia, regardless of if it a translation or not. In regards to the source, no. Interviews are generally considered primary sources and cannot be used to demonstrate notability (see Wikipedia:Interviews). – Pbrks ^(t • c) 16:45, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

i don't have an external conflict

i just wanted permission from the band's manager to use the photos - which he gave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidacegutierrez (talk • contribs) 16:00, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Davidacegutierrez: Yes, I undid that edit right after I posted it. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 16:01, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

LAGr Gaming Draft

Hi, I was wondering if I could get a more in depth reason on why the draft was declined and how I could make it better before resubmitting. The organization has similar and better feats then many other esports organization with their own articles on top of all 30+ of my references coming from reliable sources such as Kontrol Freek, Intel and ESL Gaming. Thanks !

17:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)17:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by JakobJohnson1998 (talk • contribs)

@JakobJohnson1998: While some of the references are reliable, you need to show that the subject is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia by providing a decent number of sources that are all of the following: reliable, independent, secondary, and contain significant coverage of the subject. Fandom sites are not reliable; they're user-genreated content. Tournament result pages (smash.gg, ESL Play, Battlefy, Intelworldopen) do not contain significant (in-depth) coverage of the topic. The thinktechhawaii one is the homepage for that website... so I'm not sure what you're referencing there. Sector Six is advertising their product, so its definitely not independent. KontrolFreek has no information on their journalists and no editorial policy, so it's likely not reliable either. As it stands, none of the references in the draft show that the topic notable. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 17:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I will put in more references but considering most of the esports organizations with their own articles use a lot of the same sources as we do such as ESL, Battlefy and Intel I think we should be allowed to reference those also. Not to mention our article being extremely more in depth then a lot of presence articles. Thanks for the insight and I will take it into account when applying again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JakobJohnson1998 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@JakobJohnson1998: Avoid any "other stuff exists" arguments. It's not that you can't use ESL, Battlefly, and Intel. They're fine for verifying information. However, they are not enough to demonstrate notability. Put another way: every source must be reliable, and you may use reliable sources (just about) whenever. In addition, an article must also have at least some sources that demonstrate notability, i.e., it must have some sources that are reliable, independent, secondary, and contain significant coverage of the subject. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 23:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Citation Barnstar
	Thank you for rejecting my AfC submission! I'll try and make ir better! QuickQuokka [talk] 16:43, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	Thank you for your advice on improving my draft! I think it's much better sourced now, is better formatted, and is better worded all thanks to you! QuickQuokka [talk] 18:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Question

Hello . Sorry I had a question. What should I do to get my draft reviewed and answered sooner? Is there anything I can do to get my draft inspected sooner?Ahmad1387 (talk) 18:59, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
	Thanks for your vectorization work! QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 16:03, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

Howdy hello! I came across Fissure (gamer), which you did a splendid job on. Since you are a prolific creator of pages which seem up to snuff, I have gone and given you the WP:AUTOPATROLLED right, meaning your pages will be...automatically patrolled. Keep up the good work! CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 06:07, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I appreciate you taking the time to do this, happy editing! – Pbrks ^(t • c) 13:45, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Saebyeolbe

On 19 April 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Saebyeolbe, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Park "Saebyeolbe" Jong-ryeol was the first esports player to throw a Major League Baseball opening pitch? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Saebyeolbe. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Saebyeolbe), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Review of AfC draft for Thrilling (Company)

Hello and thank you for your review of my draft article on the vintage clothing platform Thrilling (Draft:Thrilling (Company)). I'm about to start working on a rewrite to address the neutral tone issues. I was wondering if you would be kind enough to point to an example or two of wording or sections that cross the neutrality line? That would help me set a baseline to apply throughout the article. And would it also be okay to hit you up again for another review before I resubmit for AfC after I've completed the rewrite? Thanks again for your review. SBCornelius (talk) 20:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@SBCornelius: Basically, most anything that the company has said about themselves (e.g. in interviews). For example, Because shop inventories can contain ten thousand items or more, the Thrilling platform contains technology to assist shop owners in digitizing large inventories, including the ability to use photography to detect an item's size and recommended price. This is cited to an interview with the CEO, so this is what the company wants us to know — not what is said by independent, reliable sources. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 14:56, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Got it. And thanks for the quick feedback. SBCornelius (talk) 17:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pbrks: Hello, I've edited the article and removed anything that was only supported by interview-style articles and added additional sources that are more acceptable. I was wondering if you might take a look before I resubmit to AfC. Any feedback would be helpful. Thanks again for your help.SBCornelius (talk) 17:39, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

DYK for NYXL (company)

On 1 May 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article NYXL (company), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that NYXL was the first organization to own and operate multiple New York esports franchises? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/NYXL. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, NYXL (company)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Pan American Games

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Category:Overwatch (video game)

Hi, just to mention that you could do a full WP:CFD request to rename Category:Overwatch (video game) and its subcategories. Also you don't need to delete an opposed nomination, they generally get moved to the opposed nominations section and deleted by a page watcher a week after any discussion ends. TSventon (talk) 16:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@TSventon: Hello. I know I didn't have to remove it from the speedy noms, but I figured why not save the (albeit minor) work needed to close the request -- no need to have a request open that would clearly not be approved. I may start a CFD here in the future, as I don't think removing the disambiguator would lead to any confusion. Thanks for reaching out! – Pbrks ^(t • c) 03:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Featured picture scheduled for POTD

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The checker shadow illusion is an optical illusion published in 1995 by Edward Adelson, an American professor of vision science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The phenomenon features an image of a checkerboard with light and dark squares, partly shadowed by another object, such as a cylinder as in this illustration. The optical illusion is that the area labeled A appears to be darker than the area labeled B. However, within the context of the two-dimensional image, they are of identical brightness – in other words, they would be printed with identical mixtures of ink, or displayed on a screen with pixels of identical color.

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Draft:Sayyad hamid husain

Hi Pbrks. Could you take a look at this again? There actually was a sentence there, but it not being displayed due to a syntax error. Obviously this can't be accepted as an article, but the reason for declining the draft probably can be changed. FWIW, I only noticed this because this user just showed up on my list of mentees. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Hi there. Sure thing, I've declined the request, as it is clearly not notable. Thanks! – Pbrks ^(t • c) 15:09, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a second look at this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:20, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Asadollah Sanii

Hello you've recently moved this draft page, but it does not cite any reference. Then is it appropriate to confirm it as a regular page? Thanks, --Egeymi (talk) 12:19, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Egeymi:, yes, I sent Asadollah Sanii to the draftspace, and the creator sent it back to the mainspace. I am unsure what you are asking, though. What do you mean by "confirm it as a regular page"? – Pbrks ^(t • c) 15:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

DYK for RockyNoHands

On 12 June 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article RockyNoHands, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after becoming paralyzed from the neck down, Rocky "RockyNoHands" Stoutenburgh broke two Guinness World Records in the video game Fortnite? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/RockyNoHands. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, RockyNoHands), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Draft:Chess on a 12 by 12 board

I'm wanting to try and redo my article on the chess variant "Chess on a 12 by 12 board" so that it meets the guidelines. After all, I believe it deserves inclusion if more obscure variants such as cross chess are included. Where can I improve it? – Itswikisam ^(t • c) 02:25, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

@Itswikisam: as I mentioned on your talk page, it needs to better sourcing. You need to find references that have significant coverage (not just passing mentions) of the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. The current sources you have in the draft are not reliable; they're more like blogs. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 03:00, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

How about I just put a mention of the variant into the main “list of chess variants” article? – Itswikisam ^(t • c) 02:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@Itswikisam: Of course you can do that. Just be sure to support it with a reliable source. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 03:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay. I've added a link to the ChessV website's page on the variant. I'd also say the Chess Variant Pages is a good source for chess variants because the "list of chess variants" article uses it as a source multiple times. Also, TCVP isn't really a blog, it's more of a collaborative online chess variant encyclopedia which also doubles as a PBeM server. Because of this, I'd like to request permission to let the page be uploaded now. – Itswikisam (t • c) 01:56, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Cheating in esports

On 13 June 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cheating in esports, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that players are cheating in esports by using performance-enhancing drugs? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cheating in esports. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cheating in esports), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Template:10TeamBracket-2Elim

Hello, Pbrks,

I was looking at the redirect you tagged for deletion and saw this template. I thought I'd point out that this template does state "12Team", not "10Team" which you might want to change to be consistent with the template title. Thank you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:25, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: Hi Liz. Do you mean in the documentation? If so, I've purged the cache, so it should be good now. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 02:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

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Round Table

Hi Pbrks, I did not know I was copywriting when I updated the Round table, It only has 2 lines on the page, it is a huge subject organisation, Apologies, it was only done to make the page better. By adding in the founder's details I thought that I was making the history of the organisation more detailed. Thor909 (talk) 06:20, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Thor909: I'm sure the right intentions were there, but obviously, we cannot just copy and paste from other websites. If it is indeed a subject that you believe should be expanded on, take the time to write the content in your own words. If you have any questions, let me know. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 06:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Pbrks, Yes It was with good intentions , apologies for infringing the copyright rule, I genuinely thought I was doing the right thing at the time, I was astonished that the page was more or less empty, The organisation is nearly 100 years old. Thank you for your help. I am still tyring to learn all the intricicies of Wikipedia. Will the big sign be removed after it is checked? It makes the page look bad. Best wishes Thor 909 ~~~~ Thor909 (talk) 06:36, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Thor909: Yes, as soon as an administrator hides the page history in which copyvios existed, it will be removed. Happy editing. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 06:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

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Help with Playrix article?

Hi Pbrks. I see you’re part of the Video Games WikiProject, and was hoping you could help me with some proposed edits to improve the Playrix article. I have a conflict of interest, so I can't update the article myself. Would you be willing to take a look? It’s posted here Talk:Playrix#Playrix_Requested_Edits_June_2022. Thanks for your help.Interstellar108 (talk) 16:24, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

@Interstellar108: Hello. Sorry, that is outside of the realm of where I usually edit. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 19:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

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ParserFunction errors

Forgive me, but my knowledge of template coding is practically nonexistent, and I'm curious. What is the function of a template like Template:Bracket builder/row, on the page of which nothing but an error message is displayed? Likewise User:Pbrks/sandbox/test and User:Pbrks/template2. All three pages have popped up in Category:ParserFunction errors. Deor (talk) 13:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

@Deor: The error is there because I've asked it to compute an inequality, but the inequality depends on a parameter that has no value there. The value is defined once it is implemented in Template:Bracket builder. I've taken care of the errors so that they do not show up in the category. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 15:10, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

OK, thanks for explaining. Deor (talk) 15:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:Falastur2 § Undraftifying articles

 You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:Falastur2 § Undraftifying articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Pbrks. Perhaps you can sort this out. I don't think a HISTMERGE is needed in either case, but at the same time there's also no need for two versions of the same article to be floating around. I've got no knowledge of Esports so can't say whether either team is Wikipedia notable or whether there is a specific notability guideline for Esports that might somehow apply. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Hi, thanks for reaching out. I agree that there is no need for a history merge, as Falastur is the only user with substantial edits to these pages. I think the best course of action (or inaction) is to just wait out the six months for the drafts to expire or redirect them. In regards to notability, there are no SNGs covering esports (in particular, WP:NSPORTS explicitly excludes esports). Some users also consider WP:NORG for esports teams, but this has been debated, with no clear consensus. Generally, WP:GNG is the only relevant guideline. I'm not sure that the pages would hold up at AfD. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 04:07, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

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FYI I'm not really requesting upscale because of upscaling but rather because of the filesize reduction which DatBot does automatically when up or downscaling. Some SVGs are filled with tonnes of nonsense which isn't needed and DatBot removes this, I think using SVGcleaner. Jonteemil (talk) 23:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Jonteemil: Ah, I see, that makes much more sense. Sorry for the confusion! – Pbrks ^(t • c) 23:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

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Ruining other’s projects

Hey man. I’ve been working on the DougDoug article for a long time and you just swooped in and finished it. It’s really awful when someone ruins your project you’ve been working on for a while. It ruins the joy of helping Wikipedia when others do something that you’ve been working hard on. PhummyLW (talk) 22:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@PhummyLW: Hi PhummyLW. Sorry to hear you feel that way. Wikipedia is edited collaboratively -- no one own an article. You did indeed create the draft, and I made improvements on the draft to the point that it could be in the mainspace. That is how Wikipedia is supposed to work. You are more than welcome to add content to the article to improve it further, so long as it meets Wikipedia's standard of using reliable sources. If you have any questions, let me know! – Pbrks ^(t • c) 04:32, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Yea man. Sorry had a rough day today and took it out in some people I shouldn’t have, including you. I want to apologize for my previous statements. I was just upset that you got past the main article step when I was struggling to do so. Again very sorry man PhummyLW (talk) 05:12, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@PhummyLW: No worries. One of the most difficult things to do on Wikipedia is create an article. The biggest thing is demonstrating notability, which is not as straightforward as you may think. In Wikipedia's view, having over 2 million subscribers and 100 million views (or really, any amount) doesn't matter. More or less, what we're looking for is significant media coverage of the subject. You'll usually want no less than three reliable, independent (e.g., not the company he works for), secondary (e.g., not his Twitter, webpage) sources that contain significant coverage of the subject (e.g., not just a passing mention) present in the draft/article. Three is the bare minimum, but you should have more if at all possible. Avoid using any sources that don't meet these criteria as much as possible. A good rule of thumb is, if reliable sources aren't talking about it, neither should we. There are a ton more policiess and guidelines to follow, such as keeping a neutral point of view, but this is one of the most important.

I know you didn't ask, but I hope this clears up any confusion you may have, so that your next draft/article has a bit less hiccups. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 14:59, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for this man PhummyLW (talk) 23:30, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

New draft page about Bezau Business Schools

Hi Pbrks, thank you for the fast check of the draft of Bezau Business Schools. However, I am a bit confused that you declined it, as it is simply a translation (just a bit shortened history section) of the wiki-page in German - see here: [Bezauer Wirtschaftsschulen] which is checked and worked on by several users (check version history). The references are given in the literature section and with the weblink. It is just a school, so this is not about advertisement etc. and the information are for all out there to see and it seems not to make sense to cite the given sources (given in the literature section) in the text - but if that is, what you critizise - I can do that, even though it seems to make no sense to me in this case? Also your remark, that there should be independent / secondary sources seems to make - in part - no sense, as we often use (also in sciences) data from a source, without having other sources. Especially in this case - with a public school - when the resources are from the public school, it seems to make no sense!? So it would be more realiable to use secondary sources, which copy or use information from the primary source? Looking forward for your reply. Best! Byteutates (talk) 07:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Template:5McIntyre move to Template:5TeamBracket-2Elim-B

Can I ask firstly what was the justification for the redirect, as the templates are not exactly the same, and then whether there is an easy way to restore all the correct seeding information and names for each round to the hundreds and hundreds of brackets that currently use the 5McIntyre template? Example below. Matilda Maniac (talk) 00:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

	Qualifying Finals					Semi Finals					Preliminary Finals					Grand Final
						1	Wollongong Wolves	0								2	APIA Leichhardt Tigers (a.e.t.)	2
						2	APIA Leichhardt Tigers	1								4	Sydney United 58	1
	2	APIA Leichhardt Tigers (p)	1 (5)								1	Wollongong Wolves	1
	3	Blacktown City	1 (3)								4	Sydney United 58	2
						3	Blacktown City	3
						4	Sydney United 58 (a.e.t.)	7
	4	Sydney United 58 (a.e.t.)	2
	5	Marconi Stallions	0

Matilda Maniac (talk) 00:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Matilda Maniac: Hello. Are they not the same bracket? What's the difference in format between the above and this one?

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– Pbrks ^(t • c) 01:12, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

When I posted earlier, it appears to be a different version, as the round 1 seeds all were showing 2 instead of 2/3/4/5. I notice that you have made additional edits just now, and that has fixed the issue that i had with the incorrect seeding.

The other issue that needs to change is the additional text, which appears on the new one as Lower round 1 / Lower round 2 / Lower Final, as you currently have above. When I tried to replicate this with the following text it did not work:

| RD1= Qualifying Final | RD2= Major Semi-Final | RD4= Grand Final | RD1-2= Elimination Final | RD2-2= Minor Semi-Final | RD3-2= Preliminary Final

I was able to make it work, by using the following, so the template defaults should be updated:

| RD1= Qualifying Final | RD2= Major Semi-Final | RD4= Grand Final | RD1b= Elimination Final | RD2b= Minor Semi-Final | RD3b= Preliminary Final

Cheers, Matilda Maniac (talk) 01:31, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Matilda Maniac: Yeah, that was two major brainfarts on my end. I mislabeled the parameter names in the template itself. It should work correctly now, using either one of RD1-2 and RD1b. 01:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

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Bracket merger for NBL23 finals

Hi Pbrks,

I noticed you make template brackets. I need help making a bracket for the 2022–23 NBL season page. I’m having issues making one since the bracket I want is complicated.

I have an example of two brackets which need to be merged.

Lastly, I need best-of-3 (3 legs) for the Semi Finals and best-of-5 (5 legs) for the Grand Final series. If you could help me or know someone for help, that would be greatly appreciated.

Play-in format

Here’s the template bracket you can edit for the 2023 nbl page, Template:NBL Finals 2023 bracket. {{NBL Finals 2023 bracket}}

Finals format

{{NBL Finals 2022 bracket}}

Alextigers (talk) 21:40, 6 August 2022 (AEST)

@Alextigers: It appears that {{4TeamBracket-2Elim-C}} is the same bracket structure. Would this suit your needs? – Pbrks ^(t • c) 15:08, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Sadly no, I just made a bracket with the bracket builder but I need a straight black line from seeds 3/4 to connect to the 2 seed match.

Here’s an example below if you could make a template bracket. Only needs a straight black line to connect the seed 2 match.

Alextigers (talk) 16:05, 7 August 2022 (AEST)

@Alextigers: Okay, this should work: {{6TeamBracket-2ElimPlay-in}} with |RD3-legs=3 and |RD4-legs=5. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 14:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Big thank you! I fixed the bracket so it lines up better for the loser. In the future it could have a red loser line if it works.

Lastly, have we got a 6-team bracket like this format?

I also need 3 legged semifinal and 5 legged for the grand final.

Alextigers (talk) 09:14, 8 August 2022 (AEST)

@Alextigers: In regards to the first bracket, no, color is not supported for paths. Paths are usually only drawn for the winners of the round, and in a double-elimination bracket, it is understood that the losers from the upper bracket drop to the lower bracket (hence why they are literally under the upper bracket). I am a bit confused, isn't this the bracket you are trying to make? – Pbrks ^(t • c) 04:20, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I needed the 5-6 matchup on top because they verse the first seed in the semifinals. The first seed with the bye needs to be on top of the 2 seed. Plus it needed a bottom line to connect to the other play-in game.

Bracket above is a different bracket I wanted for the nbl finals during 2004 to 2008 seasons. Alextigers (talk) 04:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

@Alextigers: In my opinion, it is much clearer for the double-elim bracket to be in the correct order, rather than sacrifice that for the top seed to be on the top section of the semifinals. And like almost every other double-elim bracket on Wikipedia, we do not need connecting lines for the losers in double-elim brackets, it is understood that the losers in the upper bracket drop to the lower bracket. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 04:33, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok I’ll leave it, I’ll need to adjust the seeds on the nbl23 finals bracket.

I made a bracket using your same format, {{8TeamBracket-2Elim}}. Feel free helping me make a document for it. I’m fixing the 2003–04 NBL season bracket. Alextigers (talk) 04:39, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

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→‎Bracket: replace templates, replaced: 8TeamBracket-2legsExceptFinal → 8TeamBracket | sets=2/2/1, aggregate-width → score-width on 1999–2000 UEFA Champions League and other pages

Hey,

I reverted you on that aforementioned page since your change broke the format. It now shows the first leg and the aggregate score. It should show first and second leg, obviously. So please either fix your new template or revert all the changes. :/

(And check out more than just Madrid vs. ManUtd, since their first leg went scoreless ;) ).

13:30, 29 August 2022 (UTC) 165.1.194.41 (talk) 13:30, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Cheers, 165.1.194.41 (talk) 14:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Image licensing

Hi Pbrks, let me explain my reasoning.

The Wikipedia globe's license is CC BY-SA, which states, in part (my emphasis): ShareAlike — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original. In other words, you cannot add copyrighted artwork to a CC BY-SA licensed image – any derivative of a CC BY-SA licensed image must again be CC BY-SA. Right? Best, Andreas JN466 17:33, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jayen466: Hello. I understand. However, the crown icon is actually owned by Apple Inc., not Depths of Wikipedia, although they are using it in their logo, they likely do not have the rights to do so. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 19:47, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Mm. Good revert, then, in that case. Thanks for explaining, Andreas JN466 20:12, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

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@DragonsBeathUP2: Hello. I appreciate your attempt to help fight vandalism on Wikipedia; however, this is not vandalism. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 23:26, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I apologise for that. DragonsBreathUP2 (talk) 23:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

@DragonsBeathUP2: No worries. Happy editing. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 23:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Repechage templates

Hi, first I want to thank you for your work on sport results templates, I use them a lot and I appreciate your work on synchronizing them. you redirected Template:Repechage1 into 4TeamBracket which is a bit different but that's manageable with removing seeds, etc. but my question is what's your plan for other repechage brackets? like Template:Repechage2 and Template:Repechage3, can you create such tables similar to your new change on Repechage1? if my points wasn't clear, take a look at this and this what we can do to make their repechage sections look similar? thanks Sports2021 (talk) 07:03, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

@Sports2021: Ah dang, sorry about that. I made a general bracket that can replace all of the the RepechageN: {{Repechage}}. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 17:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, that works better but I can suggest some changes ? Can you add a compact version (similar to what you did to the main 4TeamBracket)

I mean I like these two tables to look similar.

	Semifinals				Final
	1	1
	1	1			1	1
	1	1			1	1
	1	1

	Bronze medals				Round 2
	1	1			1	1
	1	1			1	1
	1	1			1	1
	1	1			1	1

Thanks in advance. Sports2021 (talk) 07:49, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@Sports2021: Sure, compact should work for that template now. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 14:13, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but I can ask for more ? (sorry) I have 3 more requests

look at the tables above, the line between two boxes in the 2nd row is not a straight line, I believe that's fixable.

the space between the lead box (where we wrote Round 1 etc) and the results part is a bit bigger than the same space in the first bracket. (4 team normal bracket) also it will be great if there is a little space between those 2 repechage sections. I mean something like this

and as you can see in those 2 tables, the line between the team and score section is tinnier in the compact version. may I ask you doing the same for the repechage bracket? Sports2021 (talk) 14:37, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

and another thing, those two tables above show the same width but if you read the code the first one is 220 and the repechage one is 195. (I belive that's because of the "seed" width, while this is manually fixable, I think it's better if you make them similar, just for consistency. Sports2021 (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@Sports2021: All set. Anything else? – Pbrks ^(t • c) 15:04, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Great, Thanks a lot. just one last request. if you look at the pic I uploaded here those distances I showed with a redline is not exactly the same. it will be great if you make them similar. and I also have a question. is that maxround parameter necessary ? looks like the template can work perfectly without putting that parameter. (just want to make sure I don't have to come back later fixing things) Sports2021 (talk) 15:28, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@Sports2021: Okay, I adjusted the width there. And no, the maxround is not necessary anymore. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 15:41, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Just tested it and it looks flawless. thanks A LOT, I will let you know if I find another "problem" but that's highly unlikely. Sports2021 (talk) 20:51, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, me again, from today (or maybe yesterday) when I use the firefox I see something like this with no line at the bottom of repechage template. it's OK when I use chrome though, so I assume lots of people won't notice that problem. I hope you can fix it. thanks. Sports2021 (talk) 05:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sports2021: Hey, thanks for letting me know. It should be fixed now, can you clear your cache and check it again? – Pbrks ^(t • c) 05:11, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes it works well now. thanks again. Sports2021 (talk) 05:17, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Bracket Changes

Hi Pbrks,

I see it is you who has altered the templates for brackets recently, and I must say, I'm not a fan of it for darts events...

For example, if you look at 2022 Hungarian Darts Trophy, all the first round matches now look lopsided with that "dip" look, where when it was all straight as it used to be, it was much better, certainly looked more formal.

Any chance you could either sort it for the 24/48 team bracket, or make an alternative just for darts...?? JRRobinson (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@JRRobinson: Hello. I actually have the opposite opinion – I think the in-line bracket style looks less formal. But yes, you can add the parameter |RD1-shift=-1 to move the first column up a row. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 13:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much, appreciated immensely. :) JRRobinson (talk) 13:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi again,

I tried it on this one: 2022 World Series of Darts Finals, and it didn't work..., is it because it's on 24Team, rather than 48Team...?? JRRobinson (talk) 14:16, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@JRRobinson: Yes, I had to hard-code the parameter directly into that first bracket. I've done it for the 24-bracket as well now. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 14:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Cheers. JRRobinson (talk) 14:34, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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NRL brackets

The PagePlayoff bracket is not quite right, and I notice it's been used in other seasons. There's no connecting line from the semifinal winner to the preliminary finals. The one you've removed has it right, and should be used instead. Local Potentate (talk) 21:02, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Local Potentate: Hello. {{8TeamBracket-PagePlayoff}} handles the bracket just fine; there's no need to have the jumbled lines. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 21:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

They're not jumbled, you just don't know how the system works.

Surely it would have been a good idea to nominate the template for deletion first and reach a consensus, before changing multiple articles on various Australian sports with a misnamed (the 8-team system used in Australia is not a Page Playoff) variant template, especially as it is not of the same quality. Storm machine (talk) 23:57, 5 September 2022 (UTC) 11

@Storm machine: While I still disagree that the template that was in use is of good quality, yes, in retrospect, that would have been the best course of action. The bracket name is irrelevant, so long as the bracket format is correct. I am working on a way to have a good bracket that fix precisely the lines that are desired. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 03:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Template:4TeamBracket-PagePlayoff

Like you added RD2b in Template:5TeamBracket-McIntyre, can you add RD1b also in the Template:4TeamBracket-PagePlayoff? For the immediate top seed names? Thanks in advance. Kirubar (talk) 03:25, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Kirubar: Sure, done. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 03:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for disturbing you again. RD1B is ok. But when you enter a team name in RD2-team4, the RD1b gets wider/higher with that. For example, you can see here. How can we stop RD1b gets wide/height with the RD2-TEAM4 param? Could you fix it? Kirubar (talk) 15:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Kirubar: Yes, that will happen since they are on the same row. You can prevent text from wrapping by using |nowrap=yes. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 15:37, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Reverting my recent update

I think my addition of 'In Popular culture' to Rahm Emanuel's page is not against any rules.

Please explain why you felt like it needs to be removed in its entirety. Regards,

~~~~ Netsmile (talk) 16:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Netsmile: Hello. Per MOS:POPCULT: Cultural references about a subject should not be included simply because they exist. A Wikipedia article may include a subject's cultural impact by summarizing its coverage in reliable secondary or tertiary sources. The content you added was more of a "this exists" type of thing. Moreover, it was not referenced to a reliable source, as podcasts are not generally considered unreliable. See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for more information. If you have any questions, let me know. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 16:44, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Pbrks. I find it hard to make sense what you wrote, as you contradict yourself.

"...as podcasts are not generally considered unreliable"

I think you are trying to say podcasts are NOT reliable as source.

Is that your problem with my edit? Netsmile (talk) 08:25, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Netsmile: Yes, sorry. Podcasts are generally not reliable sources. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 14:29, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. I have the audio and the transcript of the podcast where the creators describe in plain English that Rahm Emanuel has inspired one of the main character in their books series: The Expanse. I have no other source unfortunately. Any advice? Netsmile (talk) 23:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

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Repechage brackets

Hi, me again, I see another problem with Repechage brackets when I use firefox (still it works fine in chrome) take a look at this pic there is no line below that "Round 2" word. actually that line doesn't exist for Round 2, 3 and more when you use the bracket for more than one round. thanks in advance. Sports2021 (talk) 21:04, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sports2021: Hello. Can you check it again, I think I worked out all of the kinks. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 03:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

That works prefectly now. can I get greedy and ask for one more thing ?

If you look at this pic I took from this page where I use both 16teambracket and repechage brackets you can see that blank distance I showed in red is not the same. can you make them similar? thanks again. Sports2021 (talk) 23:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sports2021: Unfortunately, that would require revamping a lot of things in the module. The 1px difference only affects the left side of the brackets, and otherwise everything else is aligned. Since the difference is hardly noticeable, I can't justify the work I'd have to put in to make them perfectly aligned. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 04:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sports2021: Actually, I need to fix an issue with mobile rendering, which will in turn fix the issue you show as well. May take a day or two, but it should be fixed soon. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 05:10, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again, I understand the difficulties of some changes, that was just a suggestion since the difference is hardly noticeable as you said. Sports2021 (talk) 13:00, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

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Bracket template moves have orphaned /doc pages

It looks like you have been doing a ton of work on merging and fixing bracket templates, which is wonderful. It appears that some of your redirects and other changes have left a number of bracket template pages and /doc subpages orphaned and unused. You can see a list of some of them starting about 20 lines down at User:Jonesey95/unused templates, and there are more in the report at Wikipedia:Database reports/Unused templates/1 (you'll have to dig through to find them amid many other unused template pages). If you could figure out the best thing to do with these 20 or so pages, that would be helpful. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:55, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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@Jonesey95: Sure thing, I'll go through them. There does seem to be a lot of templates and doc pages that are indeed in use on that list, though. – Pbrks ^(t • c) 01:43, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I see that now. Sorry to make extra work for you. That database report is normally reliable and updates every day, so I didn't even check the report date stamp, but I see now that it has missed the last couple days of updates, so it will be a bit stale. I have dropped a note with the bot operator for that report. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:49, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Your talk and user page were moved

I moved them back. Hopefully, I didn't make a mess of things. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 06:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Adakiko: Looks good, thanks! – Pbrks ^(t • c) 06:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Pbrks, it's Allen. That vandal with the username starting with Syed disclosed his own personal information (phone number and email address) on your user page when he moved your user page, so could you request an administrator or an oversight to delete the vandal's edits on your user page history that contained the disclosure of another person's personal information from your user page history? That vandal's personal information should NEVER be revealed to other users publicly on Wikipedia or anywhere around the internet, and that exposed phone number would come up with some future unwanted calls! --Allen ^{(talk / ctrb)} 07:41, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done I've revision deleted it. I don't know whether it needs to be oversighted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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Questions Regarding Reliable Sources

Hey Pbrks,

I had a quick question on reliable sources. If you get information straight from the person a biography is about, are you allowed to cite that as a source when writing about the information in question? Would previous employers on job information also count as a reliable source?

Best,

Zekerocks11 (talk) 00:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Zekerocks11: Hello. Primary sources can be reliable sources, see WP:PRIMARY. However, we want to use primary sources sparingly and certainly do not want entire sections/paragraphs that are only sourced to primary sources. In general, if third-party, published, reliable sources have not covered a topic, Wikipedia likely should not cover it either. The big thing is that primary sources can be used, so long as they have been reputably published. YouTube and Twitter can almost never be used as sources, as they are user-generated content. What do you mean by previous employers on job information? – Pbrks ^(t • c) 04:18, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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"disambiguated" or "qualified" place names

Hi Pbrks. I have only just noticed that in March you moved about half the suburbs of the City of Playford (I haven't looked to see if you ventured wider) from "<suburb>, South Australia to just "<suburb>", with an edit comment of "unnecessary dab". I have not been very active on Wikipedia this year, so did not notice sooner - sorry this is a delayed response. Since the WP:NCAUST was watered down to allow this shortened naming, the convention has been to not move articles in either direction between using or not using the ", <state>", and leaving whichever form the first author chose. As you clearly believe that concision trumps precision and consistency in WP:TITLE, you might like to throw your two bits worth in to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject South Australia#Unnecessary ", South Australia" in hundreds of place names. - Scott Davis ^Talk 12:31, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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