User talk:PJHaseldine/Archive 4

May 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Pan Am Flight 103 conspiracy theories, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Socrates2008 (Talk) 10:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I created four Pan Am Flight 103 conspiracy theories talk page archives this morning: Archive 1, Archive 2, Archive 3 and Archive 4. I was not engaged in "deleting or editing legitimate comments". Please explain your criticism of me. Thanks.---PJHaseldine (talk) 13:17, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

This edit very selectively archived the talk page discussion. - my concerns here are:

• Talk page archiving is not an editorial process - it's performed chronologically (often by a bot).
• The material you moved off the talk page vs that you left behind appears to have a POV motivation, as none of the retained sections were active.
• Your past use of this talk page to publish material which you've then linked to from blogs on the internet led me to wonder if you might be doing this again. (For now, I'm assuming good faith)
• Your edit summary did not make it clear that you'd refactored the talk page.
• There is not any reason apparent to refactor the old discussions, nor have you given one.

Socrates2008 (Talk) 13:31, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, your "concerns" appear to relate solely to Talk:Pan Am Flight 103 conspiracy theories/Archive 4. However, you accused me of "deleting or editing legitimate comments". Please explain your criticism of me. Thanks.---PJHaseldine (talk) 13:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's archive 4 per the highlighted edit; I've expanded my points above for clarification. I'll configure a bot to auto-archive the talk page so as to remove any future misunderstanding. Socrates2008 (Talk) 22:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

So what you're trying to say, but cannot bring yourself to admit, is that your accusation of "deleting or editing legitimate comments" is unjustified.---PJHaseldine (talk) 10:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Err, no, I stated quite clearly that you edited/refactored the talk page (see the first point in my comments above), and that I have concerns about your motivations for doing so. You still haven't elaborated why, but I'm not going to press you for that reason. Please don't do it again. Thanks. Socrates2008 (Talk) 11:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Therefore, the original "deleting or editing legitimate comments" accusation remains unjustified.---PJHaseldine (talk) 14:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

In plain English: Please do not edit old talk page discussions as you did here. Thank you. Socrates2008 (Talk) 22:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

"Deleting or editing legitimate comments" remains an unjustified accusation.---PJHaseldine (talk) 09:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring on this Talk page.

PJH, you may remove material from your Talk page, but editing a section header as you did could be considered a problem. The header was part of the post, and altering it thus alters the post. Please don't do that. Leave it alone, refactor it neutrally, or delete or archive it, but don't change it. (Example of refactoring neutrally would be to create a header "Unjustified accusations" and then shift the original header down in level by adding a pair of equal signs on either side of it. But why even do that? Let people object to what you have done, or remove it. Removing it is a form of acknowledgment that you have seen it. The most civil thing to do, though, is to respond straight on, or, if you feel you are being harassed, request that the editor not post to your Talk page. (And this, then, can be enforced if needed.) Be careful about the latter, it can lead to speedier process later, if that editor really does have some basis for complaint and wants to escalate, because it can be seen as a refusal to consider criticism or complaints.) --Abd (talk) 19:33, 24 May 2009 (UTC)