User talk:Nlu/archive60

List of Emperors of the Han Dynasty

I've been working on List of Emperors of the Han Dynasty recently because I need to nominate it as a featured list. If it passes, it can be added to the Han Dynasty featured topic, which I have nominated recently but is facing opposition on the issue of the List's exclusion. I was able to use sources to provide citations for everything in List of Emperors except for one thing: the Chinese era names! The sources I have simply do not list the Chinese era names for the Han Dynasty. I was wondering if you could be of some service and provide citations with the Standard Histories or Zizhi Tongjian.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 16:44, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I can add citations. I'll probably cite to Bo Yang's Timeline of Chinese History (中國歷史年表). It should be noted that until Yuanfeng, there were actually not era names — basically, they were counting "year one," "year two," &c., for each emperor's reign while he was alive. Emperor Wen and Emperor Jing both reset their counters, if you will, during their reigns, but those were not really era names. I don't know how you want to deal with editorially. I'll just add citations for the time being and let you decide how to discuss that. If you want me to provide further citations on this issue, let me know. --Nlu (talk) 17:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Excellent! Feel free to cite anything you want. About the beginning of the era names in Chinese history, I didn't make the claim that era names formally existed before Emperor Wu, but I did go through the history of kings and emperors changing the beginning year count of their reigns halfway through their overall reign periods. It lays out the background and sort of sets the precedent for the installment of era names in Emperor Wu's reign, does it not?--Pericles of Athens^Talk 17:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Correct. So that's fine, I guess. --Nlu (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much! A thorough job of citing. I will ask only one more favor of you, and that is to write Bo Yang's full source information (year, publisher, city of publisher, ISBN, etc) in the reference section at the bottom. After that, you're done!--Pericles of Athens^Talk 17:45, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello?--Pericles of Athens^Talk 18:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Will do, if I can find the information... --Nlu (talk) 18:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Date and publisher information added, but there's no ISBN on the book. --Nlu (talk) 18:26, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. Thanks for doing this! It means a lot to me since it has the potential to sabotage my Han Dynasty featured topic. I won't forget this favor of yours; in other words, don't feel restrained if you need to ask me a favor.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 19:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Thank you for your hard work. --Nlu (talk) 21:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

You're very welcome. After this, I will also need to lift List of Song Emperors to featured list status in order to save the Song Dynasty featured topic from losing its status. Yikes! Sorry. I'll probably need your help with that as well, particularly with the Chinese era names for Song emperors. If you do anything, feel free to take your time and go slow. The Han list is still a candidate for FL status. Regards--Pericles of Athens^Talk 22:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Nlu! For everything. Cheers.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 04:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. --Nlu (talk) 05:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

A problem

User:Madalibi recently wrote this in the FLC page for List of Emperors of the Han Dynasty:

*Comments

• I think it would be worth noting somewhere that the years indicated in the table do not correspond exactly to those of the Western calendar. For example, the first year of the Jianwuzhongyuan era of Guangwu went from May 4, 56 to February 22, 57 AD (see this date conversion site). I don't mean we should give the exact dates all the time: just make clear at the beginning of the table that these are approximate dates.
• The Yuanshi era of Pingdi is currently said to start on 1 BC. I think it should be 1 AD. Zhongguo lidai nianhao kao 中国历代年号考 (a work on era names) supports this (the date converter I just cited also agrees). Could someone check out Bo Yang's book? If Bo Yang is already saying 1 AD, all we need is to correct the table, not the footnote.
• Because most sovereigns started a reign period at the beginning of a new lunar year, we have dates like 28-25 followed by 24-21 and 20-17 without overlap. But I also notice that some years do overlap. For example the year 61 BC was part of both the Yuankang reign and the following Shenjue period. Can this issue be clarified? If necessary, I will provide the necessary info from Zhongguo lidai nianhao kao 中国历代年号考, which indicates the (lunar) months in which some reign periods were changed in the course of a year. If we don't want to burden the table, we can explain at the beginning of the table that a few era names were adopted without waiting for the first month of the following year. A general indication at the beginning of the table would also take care of the following problem.
• The only place where months are mentioned right now is in the very last reigns of the Western Han, where they are mistakenly indicated as "October," "November," and "December" of AD 8. They should actually be 10th month of Jushe and 11th and 12th months of Chushi: these months do NOT correspond to Oct.-Dec. of AD 8. For example, the 11th month of Chushi went from December 17, AD 8 to January 14, AD 9. The date we give for the reign of Ruzi (6-9 AD) actually takes this into account already. Now if we don't correct these months, we'll have inaccuracies ("Oct.-Dec."), but if we do we'll have misleading and cumbersome entries like "Chushi: Dec. 17, AD 8 - Jan. 14, AD 9" that break with the style of the rest of the table, where specific months are not mentioned anyway.
• So my suggestions to take care of these minor problems are: 1. indicate (just before the beginning of the table) that the years of the Chinese calendar are lunar-solar years that do not correspond exactly to the years given in the table; 2. also at the beginning, explain that some years (e.g.: AD 143, 74, 61, etc.) are counted in two reign periods because some new era names were adopted in the course of those years instead of waiting for the beginning of the following year as was customary; 3. remove mentions of "Oct.-Dec." in Ruzi's reign because explanation 2 would already take care of it; if necessary, mention in a footnote that Wang Mang took over in the 12th month of Chushi, sometime in January or February of AD 9.

If these minor concerns are addressed, I will gladly support the current nomination. Good job, PoA! Madalibi (talk) 01:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Given his concerns, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind going back and checking Bo Yang's source about those era name date ranges. Thanks.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 03:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I will try to look at this tomorrow night (which is the earliest time when I think I'll have the time to do it). But one thing that I'll already say -- Bo didn't cite sources in his works, in general. --Nlu (talk) 04:24, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

As it turns out, I don't actually think I'm in shape to look at this tonight either. Over the weekend, hopefully. --Nlu (talk) 04:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like issues are moot as far as the article is concerned, but I actually still believe that the 1 BC date was incorrect. Do you want me to look into it further? --Nlu (talk) 00:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

It certainly wouldn't hurt to look into it. I'd like to be as accurate as possible.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 00:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

1 BC changed to 1 AD as far as Yuanshi was concerned. Meanwhile, I don't know if you or how much you read Chinese, but this converter may be helpful to you if you actually want to add Gregorian calendar dates. --Nlu (talk) 02:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

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Help!

Over at Ed, Edd n Eddy, we are being hammered by IPs (kids) making changes in the articles based on more rumors over the movie being aired in Australia. Once again, no one can actually prove that it did. Once again, nothng official from CN. All three of the articles (main, characters, episodes) are being hit. In the past, you have been sympathetic. May we get sprotect for awhile until this dies down? -- Elaich ^talk 17:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. --Nlu (talk) 20:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! -- Elaich ^talk 22:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It is not just IPs doing so, it is registered users. I personally wouldn't mind seeing full protection, but it was declined by WP:RPP Yngvarr (t) (c) 11:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Along the River During the Qingming Festival, meet your Rival

All your base are belong to this painting. It simply competes with Along the River During the Qingming Festival.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 10:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Panorama of Departure Herald, painted during the Xuande Emperor's reign in the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644). Just use the scroll bar to scan the entire image.

;-) Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 04:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Economic history of China (Pre-1911) needs your help

The above article is up for GA nomination and has been put on hold(it needs more citations). Can you help? Thanks. In particular, can you help expand the Tang Dynasty section with citations and text? Teeninvestor (talk)

I'll have to see if I do in a couple days. Right now, I'm still trying to catch up on things that are backed up due to my computer's being in the shop two weeks. --Nlu (talk) 14:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

The article has passed GA easily but my main concern is to see if the prose could be updated to FA level. Also, some new citations to the Tang section shouldn't hurt.Teeninvestor (talk) 13:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:Hornbook -- a new WP:Law task force for the J.D. curriculum

Hi Nlu/archive60,

I'm asking Wikipedians who are interested in United States legal articles to take a look at WP:Hornbook, the new "JD curriculum task force".

Our mission is to assimilate into Wikipedia all the insights of an American law school education, by reducing hornbooks to footnotes.

• Each casebook will have a subpage.

• Over the course of a semester, each subpage will shift its focus to track the unfolding curriculum(s) for classes using that casebook around the country.
• It will also feature an extensive, hyperlinked "index" or "outline" to that casebook, pointing to pages, headers, or {{anchors}} in Wikipedia (example).
• Individual law schools can freely adapt our casebook outlines to the idiosyncratic curriculum devised by each individual professor.

• I'm encouraging law students around the country to create local chapters of the club I'm starting at my own law school, "Student WP:Hornbook Editors". Using WP:Hornbook as our headquarters, we're hoping to create a study group so inclusive that nobody will dare not join.

What you can do now:

1. Add WP:Hornbook to your watchlist, {{User Hornbook}} to your userpage, and ~~~~ to Wikipedia:Hornbook/participants.

2. If you're a law student,

• Email http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Hornbook to your classmates, and tell them to do the same.
• Contact me directly via talk page or email about coordinating a chapter of "Student WP:Hornbook Editors" at your own school.

(You don't have to start the club, or even be involved in it; just help direct me to someone who might.)

3. Introduce yourself to me. Law editors on Wikipedia are a scarce commodity. Do knock on my talk page if there's an article you'd like help on.

Regards, Andrew Gradman ^talk/_WP:Hornbook 20:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

My latest project

Ancient Egyptian literature—like for Han Dynasty, it took months of careful planning and note taking in my sandboxes to bring this article to fruition. Check it out and tell me what you think! It's been a while since I've nominated a non-Chinese-history article for FA status, but this one deserves it. Cheers.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 20:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm still trying to catch up with all that I fell behind on at work and otherwise when the computer was out of commission. I'll take a look when I get a chance, but it's completely out of my area of knowledge. Thanks for letting me know about it. --Nlu (talk) 05:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Cool, take your time. It's an important article, considering that, along with Sumerian literature, it is the oldest literature in the world. Genuine literature in the modern sense, used not just for religious or instructional functions as in the Old Kingdom of Egypt (26th century BC to 22nd century BC), but to entertain and to encourage intellectual curiosity, is a phenomenon of the Middle Kingdom of Egypt (the dynasties of which stretch from the 21st century BC to 17th century BC). I think you'll enjoy this article immensely, if you are interested in the origins of literature itself. Cheers.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 06:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Shangdi

Im concerned that modern christian folk etymology is being inserted into the Shangdi article, in a desperate attempt to marry christianity and the ancient chinese religion. this user, "imonmywaynow" has repeatedly inserted stuff like that 2 years ago into the article. [1] Someone deleted his work but know i think its crept back into the article, because theres still stuff that he put there, like "Shangdi is the supreme god", making it sound like the christian god, and original research in the intro. i saw you on the talk page so i wondered if you can clean up the article from this junk.

the whole article needs alot more citations than it has now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.155.116 (talk • contribs)

I'll look at it when I get a chance -- I'm still way behind on my work things, but hopefully in a couple weeks I can look at things. --Nlu (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Warren McGraw

I've rewritten the article on Warren McGraw using what sources I can. Hopefully I've better balanced the article, though more can be done. --Farix (Talk) 23:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Clio

Hi Nlu . I writing to you from Iran . For what your page does not updated , I need to your page in wikipedia . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.133.202.156 (talk) 07:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

-) Sorry -- just been really busy lately. After my computer had a problem about a month and a half ago, things got backed up such that after I got it back, I've been just trying to get the things un-backed up. --Nlu (talk) 11:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Lý Nam Đế

You semiprotected this article in December, 2007. I've started a review to see if the semiprotection is still considered necessary. See talk:Lý Nam Đế. --TS 06:03, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Another review for Sea of Japan. See talk:Sea of Japan. --TS 11:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, still need that help on List of Song Emperors

Don't know if you've noticed, but I recently announced on my talk page (with a banner) that I've gone into semi-retirement. A Wikipedian has just now nominated the Song Dynasty Featured Topic for removal, just as I had feared, over the issue of List of Song Emperors not being a featured list yet. I was hoping that you could work on that list article and provide citations, just like List of Emperors of the Han Dynasty. Then I could tidy it up a bit with supplementary citations and pictures, and finally nominate it for featured status. This would save the Song Dynasty Featured Topic. It will be the last major project that I will pursue here at Wiki, and I hope you will find the time to honor what is certainly my last request. Thank you.

Regards, Eric, aka Pericles of Athens^Talk 06:48, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I am unlikely to have any time soon to be able to do this properly. I will try to take a look in a few days, but I don't think it's likely. --Nlu (talk) 13:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, try to fit it in if you can. Hopefully the removal process will take a while.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 16:51, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll try. Thanks. Meanwhile, may I ask why you are taking a semi-retirement? --Nlu (talk) 02:36, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Because I decided to join the Peace Corps as my ticket to China (they'll probably have me teach English there) and to graduate school afterward for my Masters degree. I don't think I'll have much time for Wiki; plus, I haven't done anything substantial here since I pursued the Han Dynasty project. Never again do I want to compile the amount of notes I did for that project! Besides my University Library, I even went to the Library of Congress in Washington D.C. to do research. That's how dedicated I once was in doing the best research possible to produce an actually credible, scholarly-based Wiki. You know, the kind that's not mired in video game trivia or nutjob conspiracies. Lol. I'm afraid I don't have the patience for that kind of commitment to Wiki anymore.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 06:08, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

And THANK YOU so much for providing those citations. That was a real live-saver; I am truly grateful. To show my gratitude, here is a barnstar:--Pericles of Athens^Talk 06:08, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

		The Citation Barnstar
		For his tireless efforts in adding necessary and critical citations to List of Emperors of the Han Dynasty and List of Song Emperors, thus saving two different featured topics of mine, I, Pericles of Athens, award User:Nlu with this Citation Barnstar. Congratulations! And thank you, kind friend. Regards.Pericles of AthensTalk 06:08, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not sure that it's deserved, but I appreciate it. Good luck in all your endeavors. Keep in touch. --Nlu (talk) 14:31, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

gtrehahhjgfjtyuse

If you know classical verse, can you translate this for me? I think this would be a nice addition to Yuri of Goguryeo. thankees

翩翩黃鳥 雌雄相依 念我之獨 誰其與歸 71.137.250.5 (talk) 06:50, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I hope that I am understanding it correctly (and I'd say I'm about 85% confident about this), but I'd translate it as:

Looking at the beautiful yellow birds.

Female and male accompany each other.

I think of my own loneliness.

Who will it be who returns with me?

--Nlu (talk) 06:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Qimin Khan

Do you have references for Qimin Khan? It was redirecred because it was unreferenced and references could not be found to support the article. The redirect was to the most likely appropriate article with references. Qimin Khan is the single article that has been tagged as unrferenced longest on Wikipedia and remains unreferenced. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 11:58, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll add some references. --Nlu (talk) 14:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you that was very helpful :) JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 16:22, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. --Nlu (talk) 04:18, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Wuyue (Ten Kingdoms)

Hi, you moved Wuyue (Ten Kingdoms) back to Wuyue. That's fine for me. But please also move Talk:Wuyue (Ten Kingdoms) back to Talk:Wuyue. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 21:36, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks for the reminder. --Nlu (talk) 22:41, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Can you also comment on the naming for Wu (Ten Kingdoms) on Talk:Wu (Ten Kingdoms)? --Nlu (talk) 22:50, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

It depends on whether Wu or Southern Wu is the more common name. I am not familiar with this issue. Please consider it. Thanks.--Pengyanan (talk) 23:22, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Request

Can you give some tips for improving Economic history of China (pre-1911) to FA level? Thanks. Also, can I ask you a question about History of the Ming Dynasty, which seems to be a fork from the main article. Teeninvestor (talk) 00:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Uh, stuff about the economy is probably my weakest area, as far as history is concerned, so I don't really think I can help there. Ming Dynasty is also not my specialty, but go ahead and let me know what you have questions about; I'll try to answer it if I know. --Nlu (talk) 03:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)