User talk:Narthring

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Re: US Census Population

Hi. The census data that I used in the Texola, Oklahoma article and similar articles came from the U.S. Census Bureau's official site. Here's the link: http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/decennial/index.htm. --Acntx (talk) 17:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC).

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Thanks for starting Lake Eucha State Park

I happened across it (via Randompage), and felt moved to expand it (primarily from the lovely, detailed Resource Management Plan that Oklahoma was kind enough to post) (and Google Scholar to index). I'd love your comments (and/or help) on the expansion. Keep up the good work! JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Assessing A City Page

Hello, I was wondering, since you had assessed recently Achille, Oklahoma if you would assess Elizabeth City, North Carolina. -- Icountryclub (talk) 19:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Done. Check the talk page. Narthring (talk • contribs) 22:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Oklahoma Barnstar
		Awarded to Narthring for contributions to all things Oklahoma Kiddo27 (talk) 21:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

WIKIPROJECT OKLAHOMA

--Steam Iron 23:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

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WIKIPROJECT OKLAHOMA

I would like to know if it would be ok with you if I began to do the switch over to the new page design.--Steam Iron 10:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds good to me.Narthring (talk • contribs) 13:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Great thanks.--Steam Iron 17:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Sources at Okie Dialect

Hello, Narthring. You suggested at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Okie Dialect, "The resources that Moorsmur provided seem to be reliable with one or two exceptions." I argued at Talk:Okie Dialect that none of the sources mentioning "Okie dialect" seem to be intended as reliable sources (all are works of humor), while those that are reliable don't describe Oklahoma as a distinct dialect region. I am hoping that you can convince me that there are in fact reliable sources that describe "Oklahoma dialect" as distinct from midlands or inland southern regional dialects. Thanks, Cnilep (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC) (from Norman, Oklahoma)

I should clarify. Although the works Moorsmur provided are reliable (with the one or two exceptions) you're right that the they don't describe Oklahoma as a distinct dialect region. I added several reliable sources to the article that mention the Okie dialect in passing, but they are certainly not significant coverage; they discuss how Steinbeck researched the Okie dialect he used in The Grapes of Wrath. If you're interested in saving the article one source that might be of interest is an article in the Chronicles of Oklahoma by Thomas Wikle and Guy Baily called "Oklahomy Folks Says 'em Different": Axes of Linguistic Variation in Oklahoma". (Vol. 75 No. 1) There may be something useful in there, thought I wouldn't hold my breath. Narthring (talk • contribs) 21:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your welcome

Narthring,

Thank you for your warm welcome and useful pages. I do plan on staying. I would like to overhaul articles on Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. I suppose I should say so on talk page and let everyone who has edit those articles know, right?

At this point, I have a couple of questions:

(1) What is your position among the Wikipedians? I am trying to orient myself.

(2) A friend of mine sent me a bunch of articles about "deletionists." Is it something I should worry about?

Vyeh (talk) 10:30, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

In response to your first question I'm not sure what you mean exactly by position; if you mean title then I am an editor like yourself. Just about everyone on the Wikipedia is an editor. A few trusted editors like administrators have extra tools to help keep things tidy. If you mean position as in Inclusionist/Deletionist looking back at my editing history I would say that I tend to be an Inclusionist.

In response to your second question Deletionists are certainly not anything to worry about. When you create any article it should be about a subject that at least meets the general notability guidelines or it may be deleted. Deletionist generally tend to believe that the Wikipedia should be cleaned up; inferior content that does not meet a certain standard should be deleted. Inclusionists in contrast generally tend to believe that inferior content that has the potential to be cleaned up should be left on the Wikipedia.

Mentioning on an article's talk page that you intend to overhaul and clean up an article is a good idea, but is usually not required. If an article is more mature and polished (such as a featured article) then it would be a good idea to get consensus by outlining your intended overhaul on the article's talk page and allow other involved editors to comment. You don't have to any any sort of approval at all to edit an article, anyone can edit any article at anytime. Even if you make mistakes they can be quickly reverted by other editors, and as you go along you'll learn more and more about how to edit the Wikipedia effectively. If an article clearly needs work (like Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri) I would encourage you to be bold and try to fix problems that you see. Narthring (talk • contribs) 15:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I meant the former. Since you welcomed me, I thought you must have some official position. I am glad to hear you are an inclusionist. I have met Reyk, who has been very kind to me and also encouraged me to be bold. At this point, I would say my views are unformed.

I did a complete overhaul of the External Links for both Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri and Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire and posted extensive notes on the discussion page of both articles. I tried to clean up some inferior external links (pointing them to resources that would be of interest to Wikipedia readers and writing better descriptions). Sadly, some were not salvageable. One was pedestrian review. Another was modification of different game intended to get the flavor of SMAC. Obviously, I removed the broken links. I was able to salvage a self-serving external link by pointing to their files section, where there was some unique content. And I added a link to my forum, figuring that if three of the four largest forums for that game have links, then the largest should.

I did mention on the talk page my intentions. I assume that when I made a change, anyone that has checked "Watch this page" will be notified. I was planning to go through the history and put notices on the talk page of people who had made substantive changes.

Do you also feel that Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire also clearly needs work in addition to Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri? I think there is a lot lacking in the article (since I am an expert on the game), but I am curious about your opinion.

After overhauling both articles, my intention is to look at other articles about related games and put in relationship of SMAC to those games with internal link. There was a notice on the article page (I assume that only editors can see them) about a "Strategy Game Project" but it seemed dead. Do I have any obligation to coordinate with these projects?

Thank you for your lengthly response. I feel between you and Reyk I have a better understanding.

Vyeh (talk) 19:49, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Please look at Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri and Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire External Links

Hi. I think it is important that I bring you and Reyk into an issue. I overhauled the External Links (see the discussion pages), being extremely careful to be fair to all SMAC forums and notifying you and Reyk of my interest. Bdanv, moderator of one SMAC forum, edited the External Link for his forum introducing several self-serving elements (he moved his link to just below the official site's link, violating alphabetical order and he used "WePlaySMAC" instead of the "WePlayCiv" that appears on his forum page). What I have done pending review by you and Reyk is to put the WePlayCiv link back in alphabetical order, put in the correct "WePlayCiv" instead of "WePlaySMAC" and conformed the information to objective information that is available to you or Reyk upon following the link. (This necessitated removing material I had originally written when the link was pointing to the Alpha Centauri Downloads section instead of pointing to the Alpha Centauri Forums section.)

I believe my edit preserves the information Bdanv was adding while following the WikiPedia guidelines on external links.

Thank you.

Vyeh (talk) 14:44, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

venom post

i saw that you have removed my recent post on the venom article, i was not vandalizing, a series of venom comics portray the symbiot itself as trying to force its user to have urges for the same sex. this is mostly seen in the comic eddie brock: the truth behind the venom, this is also seen in the venom dark origins series —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadude (talk • contribs) 03:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

One of your recent edits here was vandalism and I assumed the change to the Venom article was also, because of its nature. If you can find reliable sources that support your edit please re=add it to the article with the appropriate reference. If you need help formatting the reference please let me know. Narthring (talk • contribs) 03:21, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Oklahoma State Parks

Hi, and thanks for your help. I saw that you were working on the list of Oklahoma State Parks. Making sure that we had the best possible information available for Oklahoma's state parks was my first priority. I work for the Oklahoma Tourism & Recreation Department who operates the state parks. I found your list of state parks and added some lakes, rivers and streams information. But I also came across a category of Oklahoma State Parks. I couldn't figure out how to fix it, but I did post on the discussion page some needed edits. There are some state parks that are missing, a few that are not really state parks and a name change needed. Here's a link to the discussion page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Oklahoma_state_parks. Is that something you know how to do? I'm brand new to Wikipedia and struggling to figure this all out. I'd appreciate any help you could provide.Jkalkman (talk) 13:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

The entries on the categories page are added and deleted by actually adding and deleting the categories on the appropriate pages. For instance, you said that Black Mesa State Park needed to be added. I added that category to the bottom of the the Black Mesa State Park page, and now it will automatically show up on the categories page. I'll work on the others when I get a chance. Narthring (talk • contribs) 19:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Also, some of them are showing up as doubles because there are two separate, but related pages about a park. For example, Boggy Depot State Park. Some of them need to have categories added and removed from redirect pages; it's a bit sticky. Narthring (talk • contribs) 19:44, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for restoring WebChat Broadcasting System

I know it's long overdue, but I just wanted to thank you for recreating the WebChat Broadcasting System page following its unjustified deletion and for leaving me instructions on how to go about having properly restored. It's marvelous to see a page that I've worked hard on over the years restored in full. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobias382 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

WPBS

Hi. Please be more careful with WPBS. Check [1]. You added |1= in the wrong place. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 16:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I had actually been using |1= as the first parameter instead of the last parameter on every page I added the WPBS. I'll start making corrections. Narthring (talk • contribs) 13:38, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Yves-Michel Marti

Willing to collaborate with you in making a neutral and encyclopedic article. Regards. JosefBar (talk) 05:26, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Hope Bourne

Why did you tag [2] the Hope Bourne article with a notability tag? She's been the subject of two documentaries (plus the other coverage referenced in the article), which more than meets the requirements of WP:NOTE Brumski (talk) 11:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I tagged the article as I was patrolling new pages and at first glance it looked like it might not meet the general notability guidelines. After reviewing the sources it certainly does appear to meet those guidelines; feel free to remove the tag. Narthring (talk • contribs) 13:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for the welcome. Quick review?

Hi! Thanks for the introduction. I was wondering if you could conduct a quick review on my edit to Coasteering. Mostly I would like to understand the subtleties of external linking vs. references. Infamouse (talk) 21:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

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