User talk:MarshallBagramyan/Archive 8

Deleting sourced information

Hello. Here you removed the sourced information. What's wrong? --Quantum666 (talk) 18:26, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

overwelmed

How do you do it? IPs and stuff, you are outnumbered like 10 to 1. BTW, can you request a check with kheo17 and Garapapag. Garapapag had only two or three edits made 3 years ago..., and come recently to make the same reverts as kheo17. This more that shows that it is an alternative account of someone. Magotteers (talk) 15:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, I have been editing for almost five years now but patience comes in handy :) I would say that the edit wars are relatively useless as well, so try not to get entangled in them. But since you've already been reported for it, I would suggest you check out the helpful links that'll help you defend yourself. Also, thanks for pointing out the appearance of the new user; it does seem somewhat suspicious and I'll file a report soon.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

New section

Hello. Why did you remove Azeri name from Khanate of Erevan? --Quantum666 (talk) 13:34, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the khanate of Erevan page: you can read its talk page for the full debate but to put it briefly, it's an anachronism. There was no Azerbaijani state in that part of the region until 1918 and none of the Turkic groups living there at the time would have referred to themselves as "Azerbaijani".--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:17, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Whatever you call those people they lived there, there language was Azeri and their nationality was Azerbaijani (Another example of usage of such "anachronism" is "genocide" which is used to describe the events happened before the word was created. Shouldn't we use it then?) --Quantum666 (talk) 08:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

You're painting the Muslims who lived in that region with a thick brushstroke. Many of them would later go on to call themselves Azerbaijanis; but there were also other ethnic Turkic groups living in the Khanate, many of whom would probably would object to being called Azerbaijani if they were here today. As for the inappropriate analogy regarding the Armenian Genocide - please go read the article itself and that of Raphael Lemkin, who specifically invented that word after learning about the genocide. This is perhaps one of the weakest arguments used by Armenian Genocide denialists today and I'm quite saddened that you bothered to even bring it up. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:08, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

But the fact is the fact: Erevan khanate was inhabited by Azeris that time (as well as by Kurds, Persians and other people). So all those people have right to mention their name for the khanate in the article. --Quantum666 (talk) 20:23, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

SPI

Hi. We need some more info on the SPI case you opened before we can continue the investigation. If you could go there and respond to the requests, that'd be great. Thanks. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 19:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

See my comment here. Magotteers (talk) 07:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

How do you find my evidence poiting that Kheo17 is Neftchi? Magotteers (talk) 18:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Quite convincing. I'm surprised I didn't see that earlier.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

New section

Hello. Here you reverted my edit. Could you please explain the reason? What is the relation between some "Muslim tradition" invented by you and the described events? Why do you present Walker's and Hovannisian's opinions as facts but not as their opinion? Why do you insert primary sources instead of using secondary ones? --Quantum666 (talk) 20:28, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Islamic tradition, if a city resisted a siege, it gave itself up to a full-scale (typically 3 day-long) sack. The fact that the residents of Baku resisted the siege thus made it fully liable for pillaging (which is why it is included; other examples include the Fall of Constantinople in 1453 and or the city of Ani in 1064). This fact is relevant since multiple authors make mention of its importance and that this was the reason the Ottoman army did not formally enter the city until several days later.

Walker and Hovannisian, based on my reading, both believe that about 10,000 Armenians died. They simply make mention of the fact that higher figures have also been brought up - rather than check the material out yourself, you've automatically misinterpreted the citations that have been used to back up assertions which are never made.

As for the primary source: there is no rule on Wikipedia barring the use of such sources. The context is fully provided, as the reader understands what he is reading is a contemporary eyewitness account, and a significant one at that.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 21:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

There is only one source (Walker) claiming relation between "the tradition" and the events. This is not enough to present his opinion as a fact. It must be rewritten. I requested quotation from Walker.

But you wrote "Estimates of the dead range from 10,000 to 30,000 Armenians." This is not equal to "They simply make mention of the fact that higher figures have also been brought up". Your wording misinterprets the source and merely violates WP:NPOV and WP:DUE as most of the sources say about 10 000 but not about "from 10000 to 30000".

Yes we can use primary sources but very carefully and you cannot write claims (especially such controversial) based only on primary sources. You must provide secondary neutral RS confirming what is written in primary source. --Quantum666 (talk) 09:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

It looks like major portions of the book have been copy-pasted from Walker's book (which can be read here), so I've adjusted it accordingly, But while his statements do not directly reflect it, it looks likes that line has to be attributed to Hovannisian, who writes "Halil, Nuri, and Mursel withheld the entry of regular Ottoman units into Baku so that the age-old Islamic custom of looting and pillaging defiant cities might be observed." (Armenia on the Road to Independence, p. 227.)

I'm not misinterpreting anything: the sources support what is written. Even Walker says that "Estimates for the number of Armenian dead are around 20,000; the figure may easily have been higher. In this way the government of Azerbaijan installed itself in Baku, backed by Ottoman Turkish forces."

And the quotation is also taken from Walker's book, who in turn cites "Jacques Kayaloff, The Fall of Baku (Bergenfield, N.J., 1976), p. 12". See page 261 for the full text from the previous link I posted above. There's your secondary source--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 02:08, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Then shouldn't we use phrases like "According to", "As stated by"? --Quantum666 (talk) 16:13, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Problems with an article

Sorry to post this here. You've recently done work on [[1]], and mentioned a "discredited historian" & "denial" - no problem with your edit or anything like that. I've seen this problem elsewhere in the article. Do you feel some sections lack a neutral pov, and if so, how can this article be improved. Thanks.Ebanony (talk) 08:28, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukrainian People's Militia (2nd nomination)

Out of your area, but would really appreciate your language skills and general regional nous. Please take a look. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:02, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Thankyou for your varied assistance, troubleshooting and commitment to historical accuracy over the last few days. I am pleased to award you this barnstar.} Buckshot06 (talk) 09:11, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot buddy. Anytime :)--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 02:24, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Review of actions

Would you be able to please review my past few actions with regard to User:Turco85 and tell me what you think? I need some further views to help me decide how to proceed here. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Hello, MarshallBagramyan. You have new messages at Tuscumbia's talk page.
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Opinion

Hi, Mareşal:) What do you think of Talk:Malibeyli and Gushchular Massacre, Talk:Garadaghly Massacre, Talk:Agdaban massacre ? Takabeg (talk) 03:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I suggest you gather other users' opinions who know the subject better than I. I'm always available to appeal to, but talk to users who you think have the interests of the encyclopedia at heart, but also know the subject. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 08:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Given that I actually made the deletions incorrectly out-of-process, and the community is still deciding What is to be done?, I don't feel I can take any more action in this area at the moment. I suggest you approach User:Nick-D, who is already somewhat aware of this issue, as he has alrady commented on the WP:AN thread. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 20:44, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Armeniapedia

Hi MarshallBaghramyan - there's a vote to delete the Armeniapedia.org article. Can you please add your thoughts? Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armeniapedia.org Thanks! --RaffiKojian (talk) 21:45, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks Marshall. No, I don't celebrate Novruz, although it has nothing to do with the New Year, at least in Azerbaijan. Happy New Year to you too! Tuscumbia (talk) 16:04, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

New section

Hello. Please do not remove quotation requests like you did in Armenian–Tatar massacres of 1905–1907. And why did you put npov tag in the article? --Quantum666 (talk) 09:35, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Drmbon

Hi

If you find time, please join Talk:Drmbon. I'd appreciate very much your opinion.

Best,-- Ashot  ^(talk) 11:18, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Irreconcilables

Good idea-- see the new article Irreconcilables Rjensen (talk) 23:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Historical Armenian settlements

Hi Marshall

The issue you raised is very interesting to me ([2]). Should you ever decide to pursue this, please let me know.

-- Ashot  ^(talk) 08:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Areni-1 winery

Hey Marshall. Just read your new article Areni-1 winery. Pretty good and informative! Great job! Tuscumbia (talk) 21:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Much appreciated.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 22:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Don't you think it would be better to have all the various articles about the finds of the excavation in just the one article? Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 21:06, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

For the moment, I don't see that happening. The cave does really appear to be a treasure trove (for archaeologists at least :) ) but I think we'll just have to wait this one out and see what other goodies are excavated. Maybe then we can create an article called "Areni-1" and reserve sections for each unearthed artifact. But right now it looks like the world's oldest piece of leather footwear and the world's oldest surviving winery deserve their own separate articles.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 22:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

No problem!

No problem, the Anastas Mikoyan article you've written is very good. To be honest, I don't know, I haven't read Robert Service's book about Stalin yet. I've read History of Modern Russia: From Tsarism to the Twenty-first Century, another book written by Service if that helps. To be totally honest I don't know very much about the Stalin Era, I know much more about the history of the late Soviet Union, meaning the period from 1964 til it's demise. As seen by my work here on Wikipedia, I've worked extensively on such articles as Leonid Brezhnev, Alexei Kosygin and Andrei Gromyko. Stalin: Court of the Red Tsar is a great book, and yes, I think you should keep it. While you're right that it is a "mish-mash" of historical events, it covers most, if not all, of Stalin's Soviet Union history. You could in theory reference all major events in Stalin's USSR with this book, so yes, keep it. Bye --TIAYN (talk) 20:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Areni-1 winery

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Twilight Chill

I too have observed and documented Twilight Chill's habit of subtly removing and suppressing information from articles, often without any discussion and most of the time through false and misleading edit summaries, mostly relating to Azerbaijan. Please monitor his activity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjbronn (talk • contribs) 08:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

You are about to be topic-banned.

But you may make a statement in this AE thread first, if you wish.  Sandstein  22:18, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

"You are about to be topic-banned ... but you may make a statement"! Wikispeak for "I have the verdict pre-prepared so I will hang you, but I must follow the procedures so I invite you to attend the show trial"? Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 23:02, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

report

Please see this report [3]. Gorzaim (talk) 20:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement restriction: Armenia and Azerbaijan

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I think all this is a given, but I will formulate my words in better fashion next time. Thanks.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 01:54, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

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Anastas Mikoyan

Seeing that you wrote the article, I'm wondering, just wondering, why have you left so many things un-referenced when you could have referenced it a long-time ago? Even so, that's not why I'm here. I'm going to nominate the "Collective leadership" to GA Topic. The topic is to consist of Brezhnev (GA), Kosygin (GA), Podgorny (GA), Tikhonov (GA), Kirilenko (GA-nom), Mikoyan (GA) and the Suslov (Start; working on it) article, along with main article, "Collective leadership" (not even in existence yet). I'm wondering if i could include the Mikoyan article to the GA topic. I'm asking because I didn't write the article, YOU did. Anyhow, you could probably become a co-nominator of the topic if you want. --TIAYN (talk) 13:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, It's appreciated it. :) I'll leave you a note when I nominate the articles for GA topic. It may take some times since I havn't created the main article yet. --TIAYN (talk) 14:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

re

I'll try some more range blocks, if it continues past tomorrow I'll bring it up on ANI. I'm wary to go through the effort of semiprotecting dozens of pages when he'll just move to others instead. --Golbez (talk) 04:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Duduk

Hello. What does it mean:"The Iranica article is referring to a Balaban (which is only referred to in Azerbaijan as a duduk - so that doesn't make it the same". Does it mean that duduk is not an Armenian instument as it is called "apricot horn" in Armenia? --Quantum666 (talk) 19:41, 20 February 2011 (UTC) And please read the article carefully in Azerbaijan it is also called düdük. --Quantum666 (talk) 19:42, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Genocide

Hello MarshallBagramyan. Could you please see this [4], it's nonsense, how's Zangezur an Azeri Land? And also this sentence:

Genocide became an integral part of the Azeri history starting from the partition of the Azeri lands with the treaties of Gulustan in 1813 and Turkmenchay in 1828. And if you time also see [հttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_History#Azerbaijan], if it's a Genocide, why Sumgayit Pogrom isn't Genocide?--Aram-van (talk) 11:19, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Tistsernavank

Hi,

Please have a look at Talk:Tsitsernavank Monastery‎. I wonder if you can help with preventing endless and useless dispute with well sourced argumentation.

Best, -- Ashot  ^(talk) 14:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Tsitsernavank Monastery

Hi there, I have just reverted your reversion of the edits to the Tsitsernavank Monastery article. I have been asked as a neutral party to have a look at the issue, and though I'm loath to protect the page to one version or the other I have asked all involved editors to refrain from simple reversions while we try and resolve this issue, and find a wording that is verifiable, reliably sourced and hopefully meets somewhere in the middle. As someone involved in the article please could you respond to the questions I have left on the talk page. Best regards ^Khukri 16:30, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Do you think Verman can behave the way he does and stay unsanctioned? -- Ashot  ^(talk) 05:48, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

He has already been warned twice about his actions so hopefully we will desist from such activity. If, however, the edit warring and the unnecessary invocations of ethnic identities are brought up again, he can be reported, or an administrator can impose, sanctions against him. Regards, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Why did they change the wording on Tsitsernavank Monastery? It now says Caucasian Albanian and has been protected from editing whereas before it said Armenian.--Moosh88 (talk) 04:46, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

NVM, I see that it was done by verman when the protection level was changed.--Moosh88 (talk) 04:53, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Learning Greek

Hello! I am sorry to say that you've come to the wrong person for this: as a Greek, the issue has never concerned me... Perhaps some of our resident linguists like User:Future Perfect at Sunrise might be able to help you, or you could place a request at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. Again, sorry for not being able to help, and best of luck! Cheers, Constantine ✍ 10:02, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, Greek, whether ancient or modern, is definitely not an easy language to master. It has a complex but regular grammar and syntax (similar to German, because German is based on Ancient Greek in these areas), but has a vast vocabulary with many peculiarities. From what my foreign friends tell me, the worst thing is the declension system, where different roots can be employed for the same meaning. For instance, the verb "I eat", trōō, is efaga, "I ate", but etrōga, "I was eating". I had a French teacher once who spoke some six or seven languages including Arabic, Russian and Hittite, and was trying to learn Greek; she found this thing absolutely maddening ;) To an extent, this is less the case in Ancient Greek (for many of these forms have been added over time from colloquialisms), but conversely, Modern Greek is considerably more simplified overall.

As to your other question, for an educated modern Greek, reading a Koine Greek or medieval text is relatively straightforward: if not 100%, one can at any rate get the gist. For Classical texts, it is more difficult, and if it is in a dialect other than pure Attic, it may be unintelligible. Aside from grammar and syntax, which has changed to a degree, the biggest change is the vocabulary, as you'd expect over 2,500 years and a few hundred wars, migrations and invasions. Many of the words used in Antiquity are now archaic or entirely obsolete. Those who were still taught Katharevousa have an advantage here. Constantine ✍ 00:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Verman1 expanding his non-constructive activities

Hi, just spotted Vermin's activities on Gandzasar Monastery. Not sure if this is enough to report him. Whatsoever, this is just to make you aware to keep an eye on. Best, -- Ashot  ^(talk) 14:00, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, you may read Sandstain's response here: [5]. Best, -- Ashot  ^(talk) 04:37, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I am not familiar with ArbCom2. Could you please pursue this issue there and I'll keep an eye to see if I can help somehow. Thanks. -- Ashot  ^(talk) 17:04, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for taking the time and reporting Verman1. I just, wanted to ask whether this may be considered yet another notification to him. Regards. -- Ashot  ^(talk) 06:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Karabakh Khanate

Can you please watch these articles [6], there is more vandalism. Its a Qajar dynasty not Azerbaijani, and the reliable sources were removed again. 75.51.164.40 (talk) 20:44, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Request for advice

Hi, Please have a look at this edit. What do you think should be done about it? Best, -- Ashot  ^(talk) 16:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism on Orontid Dynasty

Please watch the Orontid Dynasty article. There was an Azeri Turk blocked for 2 weeks, once he returned he changed the Orontids to "Persian dynasty" -> [7] again! Please watch these articles, I even let Moosh88 know about it and he didnt pay attention either to the changes. It was like this for 8 hours! The guy changed the info it was like this for hours! Please report him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.51.174.163 (talk) 19:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Same issue in Satrapy of Armenia

I provided the ancient sources of Xenophon and Moses of Chorene, both of them mention Tigran Yervanduni (Orontid) being an ally of Cyrus the Great. And as you know one of the most common Armenian names is from this dynasty, Yervand. You already know these things, but you can help out to mention to Kansas Bear. Phoenicians8 (talk) 16:45, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Here is also the most recent change in this page in case you missed it [8] Phoenicians8 (talk) 00:34, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Karabakh Khanate

The Karabakh Khanate page is open now and as you see here again [9], they are removing the sources that mention the Qajar dynasty, and adding their political agenda of Azeri Turk dynasty. Can you take a look at this? Phoenicians8 (talk) 00:34, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Hate to say I told you so.....

I guess what I said about those certain editors, removing information about Persian ancestry/origin and the cooresponding references, was correct.[10] --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:49, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

This makes two reverts![11] --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

And this one[12], is quite amusing. De-linking Iranian people???..... Wow. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:26, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, problematic, yes. I think his editing activities are going to be curtailed if he doesn't shape up. Warnings don't seem to be getting through him.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:12, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

This being the THIRD revert.[13]. Following this last revert, I would suggest you file a sockpuppet inquiry. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

So is Aryamahasattva, a sockpuppet of Phoenicians8? Numerous anon IPs have popped up to revert Orontid dynasty(far to many to begin to count or track).... --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

You are wrong Kansas Bear, the info you have read you have not done enough research: "Darius I of Persia sent an "Armenian" named "Dâdarši" to suffocate the revolt <--- Dadarsi was Satrap of Bactria !! this Armenian was satrap there, this is not an Iranian, nor are the rest of them!" 75.51.160.60 (talk) 23:22, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

You are wrong sockpuppet, Marshall and AgadaUrbanit came to a compromise on the talk page. Something you are incapable of using, apparently. Since IF you would look on the talk page you would find NUMEROUS university sources calling Orontid of Persian/Bactrian origin. So continue to ignore facts and go play in your edit-war... --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Karabax/Arcax

For some reason, my computer acted weird and my edit summary didn't show up. But basically, I meant to say that I thought that that image was better as it showed a more multi-faced view of the conflict. Thanks. --Yalens (talk) 17:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but all those photos are found below in the article anyways so why repeat them? The issue was raised a few months ago but I don't think anyone it will do the article any sustaining damage if we replace it with something else. If you ask me, I would simply prefer a composition photo of the Ghazanchetsots Church and the mosque in Shushi, although I am unaware if such a carefully-taken photo like that exists. I tried to take such a shot when I was there a couple years ago but my camera kept playing games with me :| --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:12, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Major POV and distortions in Urartian language page

Please revert those edits, that is complete distortion of the sources [14] they are providing![15] They are saying that, "Armenian replaced the former language Urartian in 5TH CENTURY AD!, before that they are putting it was territory of Urartu!, before 5th century "AD" <--AD ??? Please read the discussions and revert back to the stable original versions.

Here is the POV and major distortions:

It is Classical Armenian that emerges in written records in the 5th century AD as the dominant language of what had used to be Urartian territory.[5]

76.237.9.215 (talk) 23:01, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I've responded on User:Kevorkmail's talk page, where the same message has been posted [16].--Anonymous44 (talk) 00:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Khojaly Massacre in Armenia page??

They just added a section Khojaly Massacre in the Armenia article. I dont think that belongs in the article? And if it is even factual information to begin with. 75.51.173.222 (talk) 19:38, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

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Stepanakert Airport

Hi Marshal, could you please comment on the new version proposed by me at Talk:Stepanakert Airport. Thanks, -- Ashot  ^(talk) 05:09, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Armenians article infobox

Can you revert the infobox recently changed by user Vahan. He has included a certain Turkish person, apparently of some Armenian decent, but is an unimportant figure for the infobox on Armenians. He also removed Hayk (he tries to give reasons for removing it in talk page), which we call ourselves by Hayk and Hay to our country and peoples. 76.246.25.215 (talk) 21:05, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Name of Armenia article

Can you revert the last revision that removed the references and is regarding the Akaddian record Armani, which in that page they are removing the link to Name of Armenia.

Now on top of that, User Dougweller comes and removes further info from the page. The part that it even says "Further Speculation", he removes specifically the Egyptian record of "Ermenen" by Thutmose III of Egypt. (and you know why? he wants there to be a huge gap from the 2200 BC records to the 500 BC, when we have the 1400 BC in between these huge gaps of time, in order to not connect all of them as one and the same) It says speculation but he still removes it!? Please restore those records, there is even references and sources to that record. The previous user also removed referenced material regarding Armenians being native and not from Phrygia etc, that the IE colonies went westward from Armenia, not the other way around. 76.246.25.215 (talk) 21:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Can you please put this record back? 75.51.172.42 (talk) 20:19, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Bagramyan, can you please restore those records/info already? I also noticed in the Armenians page, that the user Vahan.Hovn had added other languages where it says in the infobox "Language(s)", where as if you check in for example the Greeks page, it only says Greek language. It always said only the Armenian language, now he has added, Russian, Persian, French, English, Arabic, Turkish etc, to that list. Can you please fix these things???? 76.232.254.120 (talk) 19:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Iran in Nagorno-Karabakh war

According to recent edits, Iran is said to be a belligerent on the Azeri side. Both of these sources, aside from only being Armenian, are very recent (less than a week old). I am seriously doubting the validity of the claim. First of all, it is contradicted by earlier belief- including that further down on the page- that Iran actually favored Armenia in the conflict due to the threat of a stable, secular state run by Azeri Shias inspiring unrest or irridentism in their brethren in Iranian Azerbaijan, among other things (Azeri irridentism, Iranian dislike for secularist Azeri Shias, etc...). Furthermore, these sources say that "According to Ayatollah Ameli [supposedly a reliable source?], Iran also provided logistical support in the delivery, if necessary to the front lines, of thousands of fighters from Afghanistan.", which at least I find odd, considering that the "Afghan fighters" in question are labeled as being the muhajideen that previously fought Russia and then later the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan (the Northern Alliance which Iran backed against them). And how cozy could hardline Shia Iran really have gotten with a Sunni fighting group (I could understand maybe if they were Hazaras, but as far as I know that isn't the case...)? I did not revert although I was tempted to... what are your thoughts on this? --Yalens (talk) 20:55, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it does seem to come off as empty boasting, even though it's quite possible that Iran may have provided some sort of aid in one form or another to Azerbaijan during the war. If we don't see any independent press reports or see some official comments made by Iranian officials over the next few days, I myself would not oppose its removal. Let me know if anything turns up. Best,--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 21:45, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

FYI

Your comment on draft here is welcome. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 06:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Stepanakert damage photo

We need sources, your comment is welcome [17]. Neftchi (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Mechanisms against POV-pushing

Hi Marshal, I wonder what is the mechanism in Wikipedia to fight "sophisticated" POV-pushing. E.g. an editor launches RfC and all uninvolved editors give favor to one version, but a number of partisans give vote to another. How it can be assured that the discussion is not closed with the result "no consensus" simply because some partisans took active participation in the RfC? -- Ashot  ^(talk) 15:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Sandstain

Hi Marshal, are you aware who is currently on the position of Sandstain, who appears no more engaged in AE? I guess Angel deserves some attention. -- Ashot  ^(talk) 06:07, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if he/she has been formally warned but if you choose not to take it to arbitration or file a formal complaint you can try speaking to editor Golbez, who is very informed in this area, although I wouldn't worry about it too much, as Neftchi's edits seem to be far more troubling and disruptive for the moment.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 07:01, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Golbez seems to be tired of Armenia-Azerbaijan related issues on Wikipedia. I have that feeling from a couple of recent interactions with him. As per Neftchi, I agree that he tresspasses certain limits on regular basis. -- Ashot  ^(talk) 08:19, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Neftchi

Just for your attention: Neftchi's recent edit, and Golbez' note (as it refers to him). -- Ashot  ^(talk) 18:10, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Some sources that might be interesting

Hi Marshal, think these sources might be Interesting (in case you are not already aware of them):

THE SHOPS are empty. The fruit and vegetable market is closed: agricultural produce from the villages does not reach the city because of a petrol shortage. Soviet troops stand at every street corner. Killings are frequent. Stepanakert, capital of the disputed territory of Nagorny Karabakh, is at the centre of a region on the brink of civil war.

Arguably, that war has already begun. Yervant Maroutian, an Armenian doctor in the region, warns of Nagorny Karabakh becoming 'the Lebanon of the Soviet Union'. For almost two months, the Armenians in Nagorny Karabakh - an enclave within the republic of Azerbaijan - have relied on helicopters arriving at Stepanakert Airport for emergency supplies and daily food.

As a response to Nagorny Karabakh's demand to leave Azerbaijan and become part of the Armenian republic, the Azeris imposed what was described as an economic blockade. Rail routes were cut. In addition, the Armenians, who form a majority within Nagorny Karabakh, claim that every road into the region has been rendered dangerous for Armenians. According to the mayor of Stepanakert, Maxim Mirzoyan: 'Since the blockade, the Azeris have resorted to attacking Armenian villages and the outskirts of the city regularly.'

Since January, Nagorny Karabakh has been under the jurisdiction of a special committee ruling from Moscow. Both sides, Armenians and Azeris, had their own reasons for ensuring that direct rule failed. Robert Ghazarian, a doctor at Stepanakert hospital, claims that the Soviet authorities do not care what happens to those in Nagorny Karabakh, and asks: 'Why doesn't Gorbachev send some troops to lift the blockade? We do not understand.'

Armenians want Nagorny Karabakh to form part of Armenia. Azeris, however, are equally determined to prevent such a change. Some Armenians in Karabakh say they are in despair. 'We have had enough. Azerbaijan stifled us economically, culturally and in every possible way. We cannot go on,' said a woman queueing in front of the main bakery in Stepanakert. She had been standing there for more than five hours. 'The army truck came in and took tons of bread while we've been waiting here. Do you think it is fair?'

Earlier this month, Soviet troops fired on crowds, killing one person and injuring five. According to the official account, the troops had been stoned, though Armenians denied this. By the end of the night, Stepanakert hospital had run out of bandages. The hospital, the region's largest, says it cannot cope with the growing number of injured.

The helicopter in which I landed in Karabakh was carrying medical supplies and, more importantly, a surgeon from Erevan to treat a man who had been shot two days earlier by Azeris at his workplace in a village near Stepanakert. The surgeon arrived too late: his patient died the next day.

The shortages are all-pervasive. When the parents of a Russian worker, shot by the Azeris, came to collect the body of their son, it proved almost impossible to find enough petrol to get the body to the airport.

Nagorny Karabakh's Armenian population initially sought to take advantage of Mikhail Gorbachev's perestroika. In February last year, the regional parliament voted unanimously to become part of Soviet Armenia. 'We believed in Gorbachev then,' said Janna Kalsdian, an actress from Erevan, who has come back to her birthplace, Stepanakert. 'Now look what they are doing to us. They are standing aside, and watching the Azeris kill us one by one.' The Armenians say the Azeris are armed with machine-guns and other sophisticated weapons, a claim which the wounds of the injured appear to bear out.

Armenians in Karabakh feel isolated, and the sense of distrust is everywhere. In the words of the commentator Armen Hovhannissian: 'In the West, people talk about human rights. At one time, the rights of one political prisoner in the Soviet Union were an important issue. But now a whole nation is on the brink of annihilation - and nobody is doing anything about it.'

For the inhabitants of the enclave, the situation of their brethren in the republic of Armenia is no better. Mr Hovhannissian continues: 'In Armenia there are more than a million homeless, both from the earthquake of December 1988 and refugees from Azerbaijan. The Azeri blockade hampers any type of work towards solving the problems. All this is creating political frustration and I cannot foresee where it will lead. Solutions must be found soon.'

Nelly Danielian, a teacher, spoke the day after the shooting of demonstrators in Stepanakert: 'At school, my pupils were asking this morning: 'Is it war?' I had to say yes, because it is war. The Azeris want it, and what should we do?'

Source: "Besieged Armenians say they face civil war in a Soviet 'Lebanon': Ani King-Underwood reports from Stepanakert, a city rarely visited by foreigners, on the Armenian enclave's slide into civil war with the Azeris who would rule it". The Independent (London). October 24 1989. p. 10. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)

Ten thousand Armenians have been forcibly deported from the disputed Azerbaijani enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh since April, an international human rights group said yesterday.

Residents of Armenian villages inside Azerbaijan were illegally detained, harassed and tortured, said the delegation, which visited the area before holding a news conference in Moscow yesterday.

Members of the group said they were held at gunpoint and threatened by Azerbaijani special police. The delegation was led by Baroness Caroline Cox, deputy speaker of the British House of Lords.

They were first outside observers allowed to visit the remote region in the Caucasus mountains. Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan, but most of its residents are ethnic Armenians.

Nagorno-Karabakh is claimed by both Azerbaijan and Armenia, two of the 15 republics that make up the Soviet Union.

Residents of Nagorno-Karabakh want to become part of the Armenian republic, but Azerbaijani leaders refuse to let it go.

The resulting conflict has led to ferocious ethnic violence over the last two years in the region, with Armenians and Azerbaijanis carrying out pogroms in Nagorno-Karabakh and elsewhere.

"Forced deportations continue in the Armenian villages in and around Nagorno-Karabakh. . . . Evidence shows the deportations are brutally enforced. They involve loss of life, property and physical injury," the group's report said.

The report also said Armenian paramilitary groups were to blame for armed attacks on local Azeribaijanis, although the violations were on a lesser scale.

Asked about the scale of the deportations, members of the delegation put the figure at 10,000 since the end of April.

Azerbaijan's president, Ayaz Mutalibov, denied Tuesday that Soviet and Azerbaijani troops were forcibly deporting Armenians and said those leaving were doing so of their own accord.

The human rights delegation's report asked for an immediate end to deportations and attacks on civilians, as well as withdrawal of Azerbaijani special police from Nagorno-Karabakh.

The special police - known as "black berets" - held the delegation at gunpoint and threatened it at the airport of the regional capital Stepanakert when members tried to prevent the arrest of five Armenians, delegation members said.

The local "black berets," with no professional training and consisting of Azeribaijanis driven from Armenia, appeared to be out of control and responsible for most of the atrocities in the region, a member of the delegation said.

The delegation was set up last May in Moscow at an international human rights conference held in memory of Soviet Nobel Prize winner Andrei Sakharov.

Source: Anatoly Verbin, Reuters (July 18, 1991). "ARMENIANS DEPORTED, TORTURED, SAY OBSERVERS". Philadelphia Inquirer. p. A04. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |author= has generic name (help)

THE WORST fighting in four years of conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan flared up in Nagorno-Karabakh yesterday, as Azeri rockets pounded the capital, Stepanakert, and Armenian forces seized the Azeri town of Khojaly.

The Azerbaijani interior minister, Tofik Kerimov, told the independent news agency Interfax that 100 people were killed in the attack on Khojaly, an Azeri stronghold in the mainly Armenian enclave. Armenian sources said casualties were much lower because civilians had been evacuated.

Unquestionably, however, there was a huge escalation in the four-year-old conflict, forcing the Iranian foreign minister, Ali Akbar Velayati, to abandon a plan to visit Nagorno-Karabakh yesterday as part of his attempt to mediate.

Russian television showed terrifying scenes of heavy Grad rockets blasting Stepanakert, large parts of which have been laid waste by Azeri bombardment. Armenian forces have retaliated by firing on nearby Shusha, the only Azeri town in Nagorno-Karabakh still in the hands of Azerbaijan's troops.

Each side accuses the other of trying to drive out its population. They both allege former Soviet troops have been helping their opponents - a charge hotly denied by the local command, which says several soldiers have been killed despite their refusal to get involved.

The attack on Khojaly, which the Azeri Popular Front said had been left "in ashes", appears to have been part of an Armenian counter-offensive to halt the bombardment on the capital. A concerted Armenian effort to take Shusha too can be expected in the next few days. Armenian forces also regained control of Stepanakert's airport yesterday.

Last Sunday Azeri forces overran an arms depot belonging to former Soviet troops in Agdam, just outside Nagorno-Karabakh, and seized huge quantities of arms, including Grad rockets.

Mr Velayati had talks with Azerbaijan's President Ayaz Mutalibov on Tuesday, and is due to see President Levon Ter-Petrosyan in the Armenian capital, Yerevan, today. But on the ground, his mediation efforts have been brushed aside as ruthlessly as were earlier attempts by Russia. Reports by Tehran Radio on Tuesday that both sides had agreed to a 24-hour ceasefire were greeted with incredulity by both Armenia and Azerbaijan. Iran said a second attempt at a ceasefire would be made today.

Yesterday the French minister for humanitarian action, Bernard Kouchner, said France was trying to put together a peace plan for the region by involving the European Community, the CSCE and the United Nations, which Armenia and Azerbaijan are due formally to join next week.

The plan, which France will present to the EC, "envisages a ceasefire followed by demilitarisation, and in the short term, access to the wounded and the establishment of humanitarian corridors," Mr Kouchner said.

- Three soldiers died in a mutiny by hundreds of construction troops stationed at the former Soviet space centre of Baikonur, in Kazakhstan, Russian television reported yesterday. It said the mutiny broke out in protest against abysmal living conditions and ill treatment by officers. Several barracks were burned down, 17 cars were stolen and 35,000 roubles stolen from a paymaster's office.

Source:"KARABAKH VIOLENCE GROWS". The Guardian (London). February 27, 1992. p. 20. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)

Best, -- Ashot  ^(talk) 16:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

AE Report

Dear MarshallBagramyan, please see this report on enforcement: [18]. Angel670 talk 19:31, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Please see some questions I left for you in the Result section. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 00:40, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Razmik Pannosian

Dear Marshal, I'd like to ask you for a comment about Razmik Panossian. Particularly I wonder if there has ever been a serious discussion about him and what is his stance as a reliable scholar in Wikipedia circles. Your quick response will be very appreciated. Thanks a lot in advance, -- Ashot  ^(talk) 16:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I've read a few articles by him, and skimmed over his book on the history of Armenian nationalism, which was based on his PhD. thesis. From what I can gather, his area of expertise is political science and, of course, nationalism. His comments regarding the latter are very interesting but I'm unaware if he has carried out any new studies on history per se. Hope this helps. Best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. I wonder if you know of his articles/books published in serious western journals or by serious publishing houses. Thanks, -- Ashot  ^(talk) 16:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I can't seem to recall where the articles he wrote were published but his book was published in 2006 by Columbia University Press, which is about as academic a publishing house as one can get. Also, if I recall correctly, his main PhD. adviser was Dominic Lieven, whose background is in Russian history at the London School of Economics.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. By the way, I have filed case against Angel, but it seems to be trapped (perhaps not groundlessly) in other formalities of Wikipedia :) Don't know what the outcome will be, but you can follow it if you wish. -- Ashot  ^(talk) 18:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

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Battle of Sardarabad

Hi Mareşal :) I provided small imformation. When you have a time, could you improve and correct them ? And I want to know modern names of Karzak, Alagöz and Mahtaka. Shnorhakal Em. Takabeg (talk) 02:56, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Bash-Abaran

According to this master thesis, On the same days, with the support of Silikian, Armenian forces headed by Dro Kanayan fighting against the 11th Caucasus Division’s 3rd Regiment, launched a counter-attack against the Ottomans in May 25 and with also the support of Silikian’s infantries, drew back the Ottomans to the north of Bas-Abaran on May 29. But in the article, the battle continued between May 21 and May 24, 1918. Which information is correct ? Takabeg (talk) 03:16, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:

Merhaba arkadaşım :) I certainly will take a look at the article right now and will also look into your query regarding Bash-Abaran with the sources that I have at my disposal. I know that it might be difficult to find since it's no longer in publication and somewhat outdated, but the book by E.D. William and Paul Muratoff, Caucasian Battlefields (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1953), will come in very handy in your edits (or private study) on modern warfare in the Caucasus. I would also like to thank you for your valuable contributions on these articles and hope that you continue. All the best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Sağol Mareşal. I found Baş-Abaran in the new edition of the book you said. I also used same book for the article Van Resistance. Do you know modern names of those towns ? Takabeg (talk) 16:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijani citizen/ethnic Azerbaijani

Hi Mareşal. this problem ? I think we must not use that photograph in the article related with ethnic Azerbaijani people (not Azerbaijani citizen) in the view of Wikipedia:Verifiability (see Talk:Azerbaijani people#"Azerbaijani" girl and Wikimedia Commons). Do you have any opinions and information, as their neighbor ? Takabeg (talk) 11:00, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

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Kazrakh

Also, Karzak, if I understand correctly, is the village of Kartsakh/Kartsakhi in current-day Georgia, in the Akhalkalak region of that country. It has sometimes appeared as Karzakh in Armenian. I haven't been able to identify Mahtaka unfortunately. All the best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Çok Merci. And I've proposed it. Best regards. Takabeg (talk) 17:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mareşal. Do you have any information on the common name of massacres ? And did you forget Ivan ? : )) Takabeg (talk) 04:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide's influence on the Holocaust

I've been reading a book (Robert Fisk's book The Great War For Civilisation, pages 329-331) which among other things, draws some links between various German officers who witnessed episodes of the Armenian Genocide and then later became Nazis (some of which carrying out the Holocaust, others involved in planning it), and some of them also made reference apparently to the Armenian Genocide (including Hitler's famous statement of course). I had two questions for you: one- do you think its too risky to add (could it provoke an unwanted edit war? Be challenged for POV?) and two, do you think that's enough (plenty of quotes, but only one source) and if not, do you have more sources? --Yalens (talk) 19:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I got the edit that finally deleted your version... [21]... After briefly getting distracted by a discussion on the talk page (I'm sure you saw my comment there :) ), I looked through about twelve of the nineteen archives to discover the concoction of embarassed Kurdish apologists, a certain well-known troll and apparently sockpuppet, embarassed Turks, unhelpful edit warriors and so on mixing to form a tangled web of edit wars... apparently your entry was not the first time there was a section on it that got deleted, and there were at least three separate wars over it in the past it seems. I think I'll refrain from potentially starting another. Thanks for the help anyways though. --Yalens (talk) 21:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Crypto-Armenian

Hi Mareşal. Do you have any detail information about Crypto-Armenians. Some nationalist referred to the presence of 1 million Crypto-Armenian in Turkey. Maybe they created new theory to deny Armenian Genocide. And some scolars supporsed relationship between Crypto-Armenian and Alevi Kurds, Zazas. Takabeg (talk) 14:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

P.S. “Who Remembers the Armenians?” This statement attributed to German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler (1889–1945), was in all probability made on August 22, 1939, in a speech to his military chiefs and commanding field generals at his mountain retreat, the Berghof, at Berchtesgaden., Samuel Totten, Paul Robert Bartrop, Steven L. JacobsDictionary of Genocide: M-Z, Greenwood Publishing Group, 2008, p. 470.

As long as I understand, Adolf Hitler quoted the "anihilation of the Armenians" to stimulate the annihilation of Poland and merciless　operation against "Poles (Hitler used the term Polish speaking race)" (even if many Jews also have been in Poland at the time), rather than the extermination of Jews. Emin değilim ama... Takabeg (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Merci. Now do you have any idea to solve discrepancy in this matter ? Takabeg (talk) 22:31, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Armenian Genocide#Translation from Turkish. Takabeg (talk) 10:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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Mubariz Ibrahimov

Even though Mardakert skirmishes should be there, you should not blank section as it is not covered fully in that article. You have warned as next time, I will have to take sanctions against you.--NovaSkola (talk) 00:03, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion required --NovaSkola (talk) 01:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#MarshallBagramyan

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Hi, Mareşal. Do you have other sources about the number of deaths of Talk:March Days ? Takabeg (talk) 21:31, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Armenian Highland

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Hi, Mareşal. Are you busy now ? When you have time could you explain basic rules in Wikipedia for this user ? See you. Takabeg (talk) 22:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Malibeyli and Gushchular

What are your thoughts on the non-neutral unpublished website "sources" on the Battle of Malibeyli and Gushchular article? This issue has been consistantly ignored. As per Wikipedia:Reliable Sources[23];
"Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves"
Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:
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...these non-neutral unpublished website "sources" clearly violate #2 of "Self-published and questionable sources as sources themselves". Which means they do not pass for reliable sources on wikipedia and need to be removed. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I am requesting enforcement of arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 for your last two edits in reverts on Malibeyli and Gushchular Massacre and Deportation of Azerbaijanis from Armenia. See this page . Neftchi (talk) 22:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Greek name

Hello Marshal! I am well, although currently serving my military service :) Yes, the name translates as "beautiful/good well", and it should be "καλόν πηγάδιν". Cheers, Constantine ✍ 12:58, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

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Բարև ձեզ, Կցանկանայի ձեր կարցինքը իմանալ Deportation of Azerbaijanis from Armenia էջի մասին և ազեռա-թյուրքական գրոհների հակառակ ստեղծել Ադրբեջանից հայերի բռնագաղթման մասին: Եթե նայես Northern Artsakh, Nakhichevan և Ganja, Azerbaijan էջերը, ապա կտեսնես որ հնարավորինս չափ փորձել եմ անկողմնակալ (ցարական ռուսական և սովետական մարդահամարներ) աղբյուրներ բերել, որպեսզի նրանք, հիմք չունենան այն ջնջելու: Հիմա կցանկանայի որ օգնես ինձ այդ գործում: Ի՞նչ կասես: --Yerevanci (talk) 00:34, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Please see [24] Dighapet (talk) 16:09, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I moved your statement lock, stock and barrel to the enforcement section where the request was refiled. Regards --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 18:27, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, Mareşal. In Armenian language, does վանա կատու mean Van Cat or Turkish Van ? Takabeg (talk) 14:59, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Census

Mareşal. As long as I understand, the table at Armeniapedia is the copy of this official website. Isn't it ? If so, we'd better use official website. Takabeg (talk) 17:07, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Maibeyli

Hi Marshal, I really don't see any point in discussing anything on the talkpage of that article with editors currently active there - there is nothing new to add. Do you have any idea on formal means to continue the process? -- Ashot  ^(talk) 04:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Highland :(

Mareşal ! Bu kullanıcıyı ikna edemez misin ? Takabeg (talk) 08:17, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion for Arbcomm

Hi Marshall, I thought you might interested in my suggestion 7 here: [25]--Khodabandeh14 (talk) 12:31, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I would definitely like to hear your opinion on my proposal as well. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 03:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Tuscumbia

Marshal, could you please explain why you haven't reported that editor immediately after this comment. Isn't comment like that exactly the reason for what he has been topic banned recently? -- Ashot  ^(talk) 10:38, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

How does one relist the report? I have no hopes on Tuscumbia's improvement and really don't see any point in wasting time for discussions with him. -- Ashot  ^(talk) 16:52, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Marshal, I think all those diffs of reverts are secondary to the case and a tiring job for admins to investigate. Is it allowed to list a new case but with particular accent (and not Post Scriptum note as it is now) on no improvement after topic ban and repeating the rhetoric for which he/she was banned? -- Ashot  ^(talk) 13:58, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, am very busy this days and don't have time for Wiki. Hope there is no period of limitation for such reports. -- Ashot  ^(talk) 14:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: New Section

Thank you for letting me know, Marshal. I'm on it. :) Kafka Liz (talk) 21:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Guba article

Marshall can you help with the Guba article? I created a controversy section talking about the Armenian side of the event but this azeri, NovaSkola, keeps deleting it. First he claimed it was "Biased and one sided information". I undid his deletion but he again deleted it now saying it was vandalism. Ninetoyadome (talk) 05:57, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the help with the Guba article. Also have you read this about the Karabakh War? http://voskanapat.info/news/font_color_ff0000_mogily_imeni_gejdara_alieva_font_color_ff0000/2011-01-19-1059 It talks about mass graves Armenians have found throughout Karabakh which contain Azeri soldiers killed during the war. Apparently Heydar Aliyev buried these soldiers to show the number of Azeri casualties to be lower than they actually were. Can this be added to the Karabakh War page? They have letters with the names of some of the soldiers and those letters are posted on the link above. Ninetoyadome (talk) 23:42, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Please no POV pushing by erasing the different versions of the name of the city of Kars in other languages.

Please no POV pushing by erasing the different versions of the name of the city of Kars in other languages, especially of those countries and ethnicities that ruled the city and/or settled there. I am aware that the Armenian period in the history section of the city is delibaretely erased. This does constitute as vandalism as does the erasing of the city’s name in the other languages. The discussion(s) in the talk page between Turkish/Azeri and Armenian Wikipedists does not settle the "dispute" of the city’s history and its names in different languages at all, because the discussion from both sides (which is still ongoing for years) has nationalist overtones and is an attempt to ignore and overide or alltogether erase the periods of the city’s history each side sees as "incovenient". Please refrain from doing so again. The impartiality and neutrality has to be upheld.

Noraton talk 12:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC).

I did not blindly revert, despite automatically branding it "POV". I am not Turkish, Azeri, or Armenian and I am not taking sides on this obviously controverisal issue. However as I stated before the impartiality and neutrality has to be upheld. And despite the near identical pronounciation of the city's name by the certain ethnicities who ruled and/or settled in this city in the past and/or who presently live is relevant. The issue here is not about which ethnicity ruled the longest or had the most impact. See also the articles Istanbul (Toponymy section) and Names of Istanbul for comparison.

Sincerely Noraton talk 03:13, 25 November 2011 (UTC).

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Hi. Please pay attention to here. Regards, --Verman1 (talk) 18:24, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

You should check Liz's talk page

User talk:Kafka Liz concerning user:Mursel and his/her misrepresentation of the Suny "source". Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, please weigh in. I'm not familiar with Suny, and since you know more about him, your opinion here would be useful. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

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The naming dispute of the other names of Kars has not been resolved as of 7 December 2011, please refrain from unilateral changes by removing the other names of the city.

The naming dispute of the other names of Kars has not been resolved as of 7 December 2011, therefore the unilateral removal of the other versions of the name of Kars in Azeri and Kurdish is unconstructive and borders on ethnocentric POV pushing. Please refrain from doing so again. I had started a discussion page in Kars talk page about the naming dispute of the city of Kars. Unfortunately there are no serious attempts to solve it, but to drag it on and add ethnocentric POV pushing from each side, which is continuing for years. This is not to you personally, but to all sides involved in this naming dispute.

As I stated in the discussion page that I opened on 25 November 2011, I put a proposal for ending the naming disputes of Kars through an arbritation by neutral third opinions of administrators. The best option is to refer this to neutral third opinions of administrators.

Noraton (talk) 18:12, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

The naming dispute of the other names of Kars has not been resolved as of 7 December 2011, therefore the unilateral removal of the other versions of the name of Kars in Azeri and Kurdish is unconstructive and is ethnocentric POV pushing.

The naming dispute of the other names of Kars has not been resolved as of 7 December 2011, therefore the unilateral removal of the other versions of the name of Kars in Azeri and Kurdish is unconstructive and is ethnocentric POV pushing. I had started a discussion page in Kars talk page to solve the naming dispute of the city of Kars. Unfortunately there are no serious attempts to solve it, but to drag it on and add ethnocentric POV pushing from each side, which is continuing for years.

Users edit the history of the city's name and history subjectively, by removing the different versions of the city's name and various eras of the city's history as they see fit. That is why I request from you not erase the other versions of the name of Kars in Azeri and Kurdish, as it was unilaterally erased, by claiming that the dispute has been resolved, while it has not. The dispute involving two different side and not one side as you have claimed to erase the other names of the city of Kars. Unfortunately this is POV pushing by Turkish/Azeri and Armenian Wikipedia users to erase and ignore sections of the city's history they don't like. That is why I will restore the previous names. You have edited in a POV manner just as the other Turkis/Azeri and Armenain Wikipedia users are doing so in the city's article.

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Notification

As per this anon IP[27] and this user[28], it would appear we are dealing with a sockpuppet, that is systematically notifying other editors to revert your and Yerevanci's edits, then executing the reversions him/herself. Your thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:11, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Tuscumbia's continous misconduct

Hi Marshal, and happy New Year.

Just wanted to bring to your attention a discussion here. WGFinley obviously has some misunderstanding of your discussion with Tuscumbia, which you might want to clarify.

Best, -- Ashot  ^(talk) 07:40, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Armenians of western Turkey

Hi. In light of that Armenian history seems to be your specialty, I was wondering if you could address a a question over at Talk:Greco-Turkish War, namely, what was the role of Armenians, if any in that war? As I mentioned on the talk page, I vaguely recall reading that except for a few isolated incidents they largely escaped the mass-killings in the east until the Greeks withdrew, leaving a bunch of stranded Armenians and an army of angry Turks. But I'm hoping you might know more about this. Thanks and regards, --Quintucket (talk) 16:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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regarding the "unfree image" issue. The user who added the tag has done the same to many images. At first I thought it was being done for specific malicious reasons (to remove images of Armenian subjects) but the user has done it to lots of unrelated images. Read the passage in the cited Armenian copyright laws. It is another example of the backwardness of laws and the legal system in Armenia. Azerbaijan has the same sort of law, so I suppose, if your image is removed, you could have a go at removing some Azerbaijan-related images - make enough fuss and maybe somewhere down the line one or the other will see sense and change the law, and whatever Azerbaijan does, Armenia will do as well, and vice-versa! A long while ago an Azeri propagandist tried to get the image of the Genocide Memorial removed using the same reason, but it survived because I pointed out that it was a ceremony at the memorial that was being depicted as the primary subject, and not the actual memorial structure. Meowy 21:21, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

The current photo at the Tsitsernakaberd memorial article could be removed though. :( Meowy 22:39, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I honestly have to plead ignorance - I really did not know that such stringent photography restrictions exist in Armenia.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 23:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

The same restriction exists in Azerbaijan. This is an invitation to have fun! Why not start at the "Khojali Massacre" statue. It's a gonner if you use the same argument as used for the Movses Khorenatsi statue. Meowy 23:23, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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Արցախում այլազգի վարձկանների հարցը

Ախպեր ջան, էտ երբվանից են ուրիշ ազգերի ներկայացուցիչները մեր կողմից կռվել, էն էլ փողի համար, հը՞: Իմ հիշելով տենց բան չի եղել: Իսկ Օսականան ջոկատի մասին կարող ես շատ տեղերում կարդալ: Օրինակ, այստեղ՝ http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%95%D5%BD%D5%A1%D5%AF%D5%A1%D5%B6_%D5%BB%D5%B8%D5%AF%D5%A1%D5%BF: Ռուսերեն Միրզա Աբաև փնտրելու դեպքում, ահագին նյութ կգտնես նրա ջոկատի մասին: --Yerevanci (talk) 04:11, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Pakourianos

I do not understand why have direct quotes from 8 most respectable sources have been removed, including Harvard, Princeton, Georgetown and other publications. Your sources are all but modern Armenian (except one), which could potentially be biased. I have read Prof Toumanoff's, hence I am citing the exact page and book. It seems to me you are biased to the subject, but I must insist that you must be objective and not remove sources. --AktadG (talk) 20:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Restricting access to users in Armenia-Azerbaijan

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Thanks for your comment. I have the feeling that if a group of random sensible editors were gathered together, they could sort out the Nagorno-Karabakh article in a day or two of collaboration and reading the sources. Of course there is no way of selecting such a group, or giving them authority, and most people would be wary of the flak. But it's a dream of how a proper article could be created. Probably not great, but neutral. EdJohnston (talk) 19:01, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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"Stone sculptures of horses and sheep"

This has been hiding unnoticed since February. Meowy 01:26, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Heh, that is a very neat find. It is wanting for more development and fleshing out, and with the specialist sources to boot.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 15:26, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Re:Medieval Georgian primary sources

Hi Marshal. I would be happy to try and help you. Kartlis Tskhovreba is actually a collection of at least 10 primary sources. Here's the list of components. The other major text is The Conversion of Kartli, also a collection, but independent of Kartlis Tskhovreba. Unfortunately, not all texts are available in English. Here's the list of most up-to-date translations:

• Thomson, Robert W. (1996), Rewriting Caucasian History. Oxford University Press, ISBN 0198263732 — This includes the Chronicle of Kartli (for the history of 786-1072) and the History of the King of Kings David (for 1072-1125) with corresponding Armenian adaptations.
• Vivian, Katharine (1991), The Georgian chronicle: the Period of Giorgi Lasha. Amsterdam: Adolf M. Hakkert. — Incomplete translation of the Histories and Eulogies of the Sovereigns (for 1156-1212), History of the Five Reigns (for 1125-1223), and History of the Queen of Queens Tamar (for 1184–1210/1213).
• Rapp, Stephen H. (2003), Studies in Medieval Georgian Historiography: Early Texts And Eurasian Contexts. Peeters Publishers, ISBN 90-429-1318-5 — Includes the Conversion of Kartli with its royal lists, and the components of Kartlis Tskhovreba such as History of the Kings and Patriarchs of the Georgians (4th century BC–5th century AD), History of King Vakhtang Gorgasali (5th–8th centuries), Martyrdom of Saint Archil (736–786), the History of the Bagratids (for 6th century–1031), and also a brief document listing kings of Abkhazia.

There is also Brosset's classical, but now out-of-date French translation available at Google Books. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do to help.--Kober^Talk 12:11, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey. Sorry for a late reply. Yeah, Rapp's book is really difficult to get. Unfortunately, I don't have it at hand right now. Regarding the Georgian architecture, I think Antony Eastmond's Royal Imagery in Medieval Georgia (1998) is the best text for the function and purpose of medieval Georgian architecture (and arts in general), especially in regards with its function to promote royal prestige. Best, --Kober^Talk 08:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Article request

Hello Comrade Marshal! I am looking for Guilland's "L’expédition de Maslama contre Constantinople (717-718)", and it was pointed out to me that you added it as a reference in Leo III's article. If this means that you have access to it (hopefully in digital form), could you please send it to me or point out where you found it? Thank you. 16:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Sincere thanks for the offer, but the guys at WP:REX came first! So no worries. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 06:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Notable Armenians

Barev MarshallBagramyan jan, would you mind helping me to find some famous female Armenians. I can't recall any now. I added Sirusho to Armenians page infobox, but I don't really consider her a good choice.--Yerevanci (talk) 15:26, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, probably Silva Kaputikyan if the one that deserves to be on the infobox.

And one more thing. Do you think that leaving last names of notables is a good idea? Or should the name include at least the initial of the first name like "V. Sargsyan" for Vazgen Sargsyan? This is a problem in case of Gregory the Illuminator, for whom I can't think of a shorter name. --Yerevanci (talk) 16:24, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

And what about just leaving their last names as done for some people in Serbs article? I mean, it could be done for Abovyan, Tumanyan and Khachaturian, because there aren't many Armenians with those last names, but Vazgen Sargsyan it's a liitle problem, because current president and prime minister both have Sargsyan last name and it can create some confusion.

What you think of Andranik. Most Armenians, including me, don't call him by his last name Ozanian, but rather by first name Andranik and often as Zoravar Andranik (General Andranik). What do you think is right to put as his name on the infobox? "Andranik Ozanian", "Andranik" or "Gen. Andranik"? I chose "Gen. Andranik", but I don't really like that way, because Gen. X, Gen. Y is kind of inappropriate for encyclopedia. Don't you think? --Yerevanci (talk) 17:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Andranik

Hey there, so I would like to ask you some questions. Why did you delete the list of list of things that are named after Andranik? Don't you think it has place in tha article? And why did you delete parts of "statues and memorials" section? --Yerevanci (talk) 18:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, the quotations aren't from just ordinary people, they're from notables. And I didn't add the quotes just to make him look great, if there are quotations that are negative I would also like to put them there. It's not a case of bias. As a basis of listing the statues and streets I took the articles of Dwight D. Eisenhower and Douglas MacArthur. The later one even has a separate page about places named for him. Also, don't you think that at least the major streets should be mentioned there? Like the one in Malatia or the ones in Plodiv and Cordoba, which are quite important in terms of introducing his memory to the reader as showing his significance abroad.--Yerevanci (talk) 20:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC) One more thing. Khachik Dahstents's quote isn't a cultural reference, it's actually based on what Makhluto told Dashtents. So it should be considered a description of Andranik's life in Fresno. --Yerevanci (talk) 20:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC) I really appreciate your edits, so I won't delete your edits on the upper part. I'll just add back the bottom part about legacy and memory.--Yerevanci (talk) 22:32, 3 August 2012 (UTC) Մարշալ ջան, հարգելիս, չե՞ս կարծում որ գոնե Երևանի կենտրոնում՝ Սբ. Գրիգոր Լուսավորիչ եկեղեցու դիմացի, դրված նրա արձանը տեղ ունի հոդվածում գեվելու: Ինձ մի փոքր ժամանակ տուր էտ ամնեն ինչը կմաքրեմ, էլ էտքան երկար չի լինի: Ի վերջո, այդքան ժամանական եմ ծախսել այդ ամենը փորփրելու և գտնելու համար: --Yerevanci (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Marshal jan, please take a look at Dwight D. Eisenhower (includes a section named Tributes and memorials) and Douglas MacArthur (a feautured article, even has a separate page about places named for him). Doesn't Andranik also deserve these? Isn't Andranik much more to Armenians than Eisenhower and MacArthur combined to Americans? --Yerevanci (talk) 20:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I never said the list of statues and school named after him with all the pictures must be there. No. If you look at the article I tried to clean it up myself. The only thing I complained about your edits was that you simply deleted the "statues and memorial" list, which isn't quite refinement. I do agree that things named for him should be concise, but not that much. You should at least name those 4-5 cities outside Armenia where his statues stand. Ախպեր ջան, ստեղ քո դեմ գնացող, կամ քո արածներին հակադրվող չկա, ուղղակի ցանկանում եմ որ նրա մասին հոդվածը ամբպղջական լինի և հայտնվի հիմնական էջում: Էտքան բան: Իսկ քեզ շատ հարգում եմ, որպես այստեղի հնաբնակներից և կցանկանայի որ այդ գործում դու ևս քո ներդրում ունենայիր: --Yerevanci (talk) 18:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I totally agree with you. We should concentrate on his life. The reason I was doing the legacy and memory section is because it is easy to find online. So I just wanted to be done with that part first. I didn't find much reliable sources on his life. There is this book called General Andranik and the Armenian Revolutionary Movement by Antranig Chalabian (1988), which as I understand is the only complete book on Andranik's life. I can't find its online version and the book costs like $100 on Amazon. I don't know what we can do here. --Yerevanci (talk) 16:53, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Hovannisian's Republic of Armenia

As you recommended, I used Hovannisian's The Republic of Armenia book for Zangezur section. I literally copied the text, so please take a look at it and fix the problems if there are any.

Also, please integrate the following text into Zangezur section when you have time. --Yerevanci (talk) 21:04, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Marshall jan, that's actually really difficult for me, because my English vocabulary isn't strong enough for that. That's why I asked you to do that. Although, I'll try anyway.--Yerevanci (talk) 16:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I just did some wording changes and I will continue working on it later today, so you can fix the remaining problems during weekend.--Yerevanci (talk) 17:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Andranik during WWI

Barev Marshall jan, do you have any idea about sources (available online) that cover Andranik's activities during WWI: 1915-early 1918? I would like to expand the section and replace sources with reliable ones. --Yerevanci (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Vandalizing Andranik Ozanian

Dear Marshall, I don't see any reason why you deleted the text I added in Zangezur section. I already told you that it's not entirely copied from Hovannisian's book. I already did do wording change and it's not any kind of copyright violation. Why are you simply deleting it? If you can't contribute with anything else, then please keep away from the article. If you still consider it copyright violation, go ahead report it. --Yerevanci (talk) 21:46, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

If you didn't understand from the last time, I will repeat again. Go ahead report it if there is any type of violation. --Yerevanci (talk) 22:27, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Instead of explaining and discussing you just removed it, what did you expect? Good luck to you too mate! I am very thankful for everything you did. --Yerevanci (talk) 22:46, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Çankaya Köşkü

Hi Marshall. Armenian deportations page is forwarded to the genocide page. And the resource state "deportations". If the text remains true to the resource, the link still ends in genocide page at the end. Why do you insist on the altered/distorted citation? Original phrase seems fine... That is not denial or something. ĶŞĶ-ŴĀŘ (talk) 19:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Dynamite(s)?

Where is the evidence? I do not believe that you have visited the site of Khtzkonk Monastery. If you have, then you have only seen what you wish to see. I have no real clue as to why you wish the English version of Wikipedia to be a source of unverified claims as propaganda. The photos illustrated on your favourite Virtual Ani site, as well as a wealth of articles on this self-same site, show incontrovertibly that your views cannot be sustained without serious reservation. In short, your editing is scarcely honorable in its respect of standard academic criteria and procedures. Shame on you for not even reading carefully what has been posted and assuming that its meaning is what you wish it to mean. 'Anonymous' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.87.60.228 (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Ramil Safarov

• Hi! I didn't add word of soldier. If you look at the your version you can see that soldier is already there. By the way, he is soldier and murder. Both of them should be added to the article. And there is no reliable source about Ethnic hatred. It is Armenian Lobby's propaganda and we can't add propagandas in Wikipedia's article. Regards.--Reality 18:49, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
• I like your idea of imposing a 1RR restriction, so I opened a thread at WP:ANI#Ramil Safarov where a possible change to semi-protection combined with a 1RR restriction is being discussed. Feel free to join us there. De728631 (talk) 22:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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This user who goes by the name of Kentronhayastan [30], Ive noticed his edits for a while now, and they are not exactly describing who he really is. I mean to clarify to you, what im saying is if you notice his edits on the Armenian articles, he pretends he is doing good to the Armenian history, but in fact, he is corrupting it in a clever way. He is an imposter actually. I noticed for example he added a whole bunch of foreign languages to all the articles on our history, and someone else did a good job of reverting those. He basically is POV pushing just about any time in our history articles of foreign rule. He tried to put Islam in all the history articles, hah, and included like 10 other languages, where it says languages. The person that reverted him did a good job and restored the native language Armenian to be the only main language of those times. Specially the Kingdoms of Armenia , whether they were Ancient, or the Modern kingdoms like Bagratuni, and the Antiquity. He also had purposely removed the Marzpanate Mamikonian period, and the other person asked him to restore it back. Also if you can help out please restore back where it says "Armenia Major" in the Antiquity, to "Kingdom of Armenia", this is what it said earlier and this guy Kentronhayastan reverted it back to Armenia Major. Its suppose to say Kingdom of Armenia, because the only Kingdom of Armenia mentioned first is in the Middle Ages. Its showing that there was no Kingdom of Armenia in ancient times? If you notice he recently also changed Commagene to "Kingdom of Commagene", but didnt change Armenia Major to "Kingdom of Armenia". Please put back the name "Kingdom of Armenia", in our antiquity. Thank you. And if you can also remove Armeno-Phrygian from the History template also, because that was never there, and this imposter which im suspicious of is trying to ruin our history. Also he tried to change the language of the Orontid period, by saying it was Proto-Armenian, it was never Proto-Armenian, and everyone excepts that that was earlier than that time. 66.81.159.105 (talk) 07:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Also he is the one that made the new image for the Template [31], the one with the Armenian eternity symbol and Mount Ararat with Khor Virap there in that image on the Template History of Armenia. It use to be the Coat of Arms of Armenia, but now he put this new one which is good. But he wants to restore back the Coat of Arms, when he himself made this new image. He is purposely doing this just to ruin Armenian history and culture. Please vote to keep the new image of eternity symbol and Ararat , instead of the Coat of Arms, which is only about the Modern history. This image is better cause its about all the History etc etc. So when he puts, of if he puts a vote, please vote for the current image on the template. Thanks for your help. 66.81.159.105 (talk) 07:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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Armenian oil business of Baku

After the merge...all other information on the Armenian Oil Business Of Baku will be trashed? :( Anonymous (talk) 22:13, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

I think it's better this way - all the information can now be found on a single page where everything is neatly summarized and explained. You should be proud of your contributions and after a little more work maybe we can even nominate the Armenians of Baku page to be recognized as a Wikipedia Good Article.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:43, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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Inch es gartsum? Talk:2012_Istanbul_Anti-Armenian_protests...do you have email by the way? Proudbolsahye (talk) 02:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hi there. I've been reverting those same edits on the Hamshen article but will make sure to keep an eye both articles.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:33, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Sure, you can edit any of the future articles on my to-do list. I greatly appreciate your interest. --Երևանցի ^talk 20:24, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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Falsification of history in Azerbaijan

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I agree. The title can be disputed and if agreed should be changed. If you are interested, see [32]. --Երևանցի ^talk 18:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ekrem Eylisli‎

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lol, no I don't :)--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

really? --Երևանցի ^talk 07:06, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. Give it another shot.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 07:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

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Vandalism on Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia

Dear Marshal Bagramyan, your edit was vandalism, please avoid doing so, otherwise I will have to report you. Thanks in advance. Best, Konullu (talk) 23:56, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Justice for khojaly

Marshall, have you seen this page? Its ridiculous. the whole page is a POV where info is cited from anti-Armenian websites and random blogs and youtube videos. They cited a blog where a random guy claimed the "massacre" was worse than the Srebrenica massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_for_Khojaly#cite_ref-111 Ninetoyadome (talk) 20:23, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

These antics are so sad.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:57, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

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Nagorno-Karabakh War

Hey Marshal, so I was just reading through the Karabakh War article and I suddenly noticed something that is too obvious—the Soviet Union was actually a major player of the war. The Soviet army was brought into Yerevan and Baku to crack down the demonstrations, the Moscow-controlled forces, along with the Soviet Azeri ones, deported Armenians from the villages around Kirovabad during Operation Ring. Doesn't this make the Soviet Union a belligerent?

Also, if we put 20 February 1988 – 16 May 1994 the date of the war, shouldn't Armenian SSR, Azeri SSR and NKAO also be in the 'Belligerents' section, because it wasn't until 1991 when the countries gained and/or proclaimed there independence?

What about Karabakh Committee, Pan-Armenian National Movement and Azerbaijani Popular Front Party? I think these organizations were de facto sides of the war.

This is what I mean. I know, it looks complicated and that's not what I want, but it needs to be simplify somehow. --Երևանցի ^talk 20:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

That's a tough question. On the one hand Armenia and Azerbaijan still were part of the USSR when the MVD and Soviet military took part in Operation Ring. That doesn't make the USSR so much a belligerent but it siding with Azerbaijan to resolve the conflict that was brewing within its borders. In other instances it was the Soviet army protecting the Armenians and chasing away Azerbaijani pogromchiks. I think the way it stands is alright, without complicating it further for the reader. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright! I have no objection, just wanted to know your opinion on this. --Երևանցի ^talk 19:32, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

New section

Barev Marshal jan! I'm working on Vazgen Sargsyan's page now and I'm having a hard time finding sources (even Armenian) on his activities in Karabakh. I'd like to ask you for help. The overwhelming majority of online sources are, unsurprisingly, about the 1999 shooting and the political crisis around Ter-Petrosyan and Kocharyan in 1998. --Երևանցի ^talk 04:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yerevantsi. I'm not well-versed in publications and information on Armenian political figures of the 1990s. Since you're a resident there, I figure you might know as much or more than I know. Your best bet would be to look at any major books that were published during the time and, if you're really determined, mine through the newspapers for excerpts and pieces on Sargsyan. I don't perhaps this article might help you out. Perhaps some more information is found in the entry for him in the Encyclopedia of Karabakh Liberation War: 1988-1994 (Yerevan, 2004). Happy hunting!--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:55, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

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Armenians in Uruguay

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• Armenians in Uruguay
• St. Nerses Shnorhali Armenian Apostolic Church, Montevideo
• Armenian Catholic Cathedral of Our Lady of Bzommar, Montevideo

If you feel like creating the corresponding Armenian versions of any of these articles, please, go ahead. I can help you understand any references given in Spanish. Regards from Montevideo, --Fadesga (talk) 21:49, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hmm, sure, I'll give it a shot.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)