User talk:Losthistory

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Night of the Pencils[edit]

Please read WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Wikipedia is not a repository for lists of victims. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 01:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A disagreement over the contents of an article is not vandalism. You, however, are repeatedly in violation of NOTMEMORIAL, as I have attempted to point out. Please also see WP:BLPN#Night of the Pencils. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 01:20, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Listing the identities of the victims meets the Notability guidelines of WP (see Notability (criminal acts) and clearly does not constitute a memorial, per WP definition. Stop misinterpreting the rules. Losthistory (talk) 01:26, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of MIR (Chile) members assassinated by the Pinochet regime got deleted. Casualties of the 7 July 2005 London bombings got deleted. Casualties of the September 11, 2001 Attacks: City of New York got deleted. See also Wikipedia:NLIST#Lists_of_people. You might want to start your own Wiki, such as http://www.sep11memories.org/wiki/Main_Page. NOTMEMORIAL serves a minor but useful purpose, which is to discourage people from writing articles, article sections, etc., that are primarily eulogies or online memorials. That does not mean we cannot talk about people's deaths or use obituaries as sources (they are often the most concise sources available of people's basic biographical information). It just means the person's death has to be treated if at all in an encyclopedic way.. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 01:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Night_of_the_Pencils.23The_kidnappings. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 01:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP criminal notability guidelines:

"Notability of criminal acts:

Criminal act includes a matter in which a crime has been established, or a matter has been deemed a likely crime by the relevant law enforcement agency or judicial authority. For example, the disappearance of a person would fall under this guideline if law enforcement agencies deemed it likely to have been caused by criminal conduct, regardless of whether a perpetrator is identified or charged.

Victims:

A victim of a crime should normally only be the subject of an article where an article that satisfied notability criteria existed."

Therefore, since the crime is notable (moreover in regards to dissapearances, as WP's own example provides), then the identity of the victims is notable, and does not constitute a memorial.

If you still disagree, fine. Report it to WP and we will let them decide. In the meantime please cease and desist from deleting list. Losthistory (talk) 01:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]