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Ok, sorry, I'll be more careful.Érico Júnior Wouters ^Talk 23:58, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Kedah class offshore patrol vessel

Hi, Livitup. Thank you very much for your interest in helping out with copy edits during the GOCE March copy edit drive. As a routine part of the drive, a random copy edit of yours was checked for quality control. The article is in good shape, but here are a couple of further improvements I was able to complete. Numbers, when less than ten, are spelled out as words rather than shown as numerals. Common words like "computer" do not need to be linked. I changed some of the punctuation a bit. You need to decide whether or not serial commas will be used in an article, and stick to that choice throughout. That's everything! Diff of Kedah class offshore patrol vessel. I hope you find these suggestions useful. Thanks again for your participation! -- Dianna (talk) 03:40, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Asheville Civic Center

Could you please comment here? Thanks.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 15:51, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 16:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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Dick Findlay copy edit

Hi Livitup. Thanks for joining us on the GOCE March drive. Not realising that Dianna had already done a check, I did one on Dick Findlay. It's good, but you left what was probably a typo ("Findlay also a boxed ...") and left in a couple of flowery peacock phrases ("had the distinction of being ..." and "one of the few ...") that don't suit an encyclopedia. Here's the diff of the changes I've made. To see if the typo was a one-off, I took a quick look at Clap-o-meter too, and found "It can be used to indicate decide the he popularity ...". Generally it's a good idea to show-preview and proofread your edit before moving on, as I believe you did at Universidade Católica Dom Bosco, where your final edit made some definite further improvement. I hope this is useful, and thanks again for your contrigbution. --Stfg (talk) 14:39, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. Indeed, I actually copy-edit off-line in a text editor, and then copy/paste revised sections back into Wikipedia. I think what you saw were instances where the copy/paste screwed up on me somehow, or a similar technical issue. But I really appreciate you bringing it to my attention, and I will be sure to look out for it and do a final once-over on each article, before I pull that {{GOCEinuse}} tag off. Thanks again! Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 14:55, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and you're right about peacock terms—I usually suck at pulling them out... :) I'll keep an extra sharp eye out for that. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 14:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Brilliant! And I'm taking this opportunity to correct a typo of my own! :)) Thanks again. --Stfg (talk) 16:20, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Script

Hey, that simplevote script you're using looks interesting, I think I'll try it out. I noticed this misfire though, might want to check out how that happens? Mark Arsten (talk) 02:15, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. I've added it as a known bug to User: Livitup/Simplevote2012, and I'll get around to fixing it... sometime. For now, just don't use the script on AfDs for articles with "non-standard" characters in the URL. Anything that has to be URL encoded with a % will break. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 15:02, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok, will do. I tried it on a few articles the other day and didn't have any issues. BTW, I wanted to mention to you that you should feel free to nominate Alexis Bachelot at WP:TFAR anytime you want. I'm not opposed to it being TFA, but it's not something I'm particularly gripped by so I probably won't nominate it myself. Not sure how you feel, it's up to you though. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:22, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage newsletter

Hey all!

Thanks to everyone who attended our first office hours session; the logs can be found here, if you missed it, and we should be holding a second one on Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. I hope to see you all there :).

In the meantime, I have greatly expanded the details available at Wikipedia:New Page Triage: there's a lot more info about precisely what we're planning. If you have ideas, and they aren't listed there, bring them up and I'll pass them on to the developers for consideration in the second sprint. And if you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, send them there too!

Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 00:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

A2Z Group Article

I have dug up my research references and you will find updated information about the company and all its smaller business units in the talk pages. Please review and let me know if you still have questions about the notability of the organization. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willonthemove (talk • contribs) 10:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

re: Sprint Nextel

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All right, it took me a while, but I finished copy editing. I think I did a pretty good job with the grammar, punctuation, etc., but I'm unfamiliar with the technical vocabulary employed throughout the article, and I was hoping you could check through and make sure everything is okay there (unless, of course, you're as clueless about technology as I am). Thanks, Peacock28 (talk) 21:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

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help triage some feedback

Hey guys.

I appreciate this isn't quite what you signed up for, but I figured as people who are already pretty good at evaluating whether material is useful or not useful through Special:NewPages, you might be interested :). Over the last few months we've been developing the new Article Feedback Tool, which features a free text box. it is imperative that we work out in advance what proportion of feedback is useful or not so we can adjust the design accordingly and not overwhelm you with nonsense.

This is being done through the Feedback Evaluation System (FES), a tool that lets editors run through a stream of comments, selecting their value and viability, so we know what type of design should be promoted or avoided. We're about to start a new round of evaluations, beginning with an office hours session tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to help preemptively kill poor feedback, come along to #wikimedia-office and we'll show you how to use the tool. If you can't make it, send me an email at okeyeswikimedia.org or drop a note on my talkpage, and I'm happy to give you a quick walkthrough in a one-on-one session :).

All the best, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

GOCE March barnstars

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Livitup for copy edits totalling at least 30,000 words in the GOCE March copy edit drive. Your contributions are appreciated! Dianna (talk) 01:15, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

		Leaderboard Award—Number of Articles Over 5,000 Words—5th Place (tied)
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Livitup for copy editing two articles of 5,000 words or more during the WP:GOCE GOCE March copy edit drive. Thank you so much for your contributions to the project. – Dianna (talk) 01:15, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Rosenberg

I just got the second peer review of Rosenberg in, and got a few more comments about prose. You might want to take a look if you get the chance. I asked one more person to look at it and then I think I'll be ready to nominate it at FAC, should be ready pretty soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:44, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Mark, I remember what happened here... I did the whole copyedit in one marathon session, and I promised to do a second pass through it the next day... which I promptly forgot and never got back to do. The kinds of comments in the Peer Review are exactly what I expect to see... the first pass I do section by section, each sentence in isolation. Then I go back and re-read the whole article and catch the section- or article-wide issues found in the peer review.

I don't think I'll have time to get to it today or Tuesday, but I'll do my best to hit it on Wednesday. Sorry for totally forgetting! Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 18:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

No problem, I've been keeping pretty busy myself. I am also going to change some templates before I nominate, so I have that to do too. The peer reviewers mostly talked about repetition/word choice and sentence length (too many short sentences). Hopefully there isn't much left to do. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:20, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

lol, I think you forgot again :) Mark Arsten (talk) 03:10, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Do you think you'll be able to take another look over it soon, or should I nominate it now? Mark Arsten (talk) 17:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Ugh, I'm in the middle of so many things, but you are first in the queue, so I will do it right now! Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 18:12, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I really do appreciate it. Copyediting is often a thankless position, for sure. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:44, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Nah, you're doing a fine job of thanking me. :) I made it through the Hawaii section, but I need to run... I will do my best to get to the last two paragraphs and a final re-read and touch up tomorrow. Worst case, I know I will have time to do it Thursday evening. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 21:05, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Alright, changes look good thus far! Mark Arsten (talk) 21:21, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

If you don't mind my asking, which time zone do you live in? I'm in UTC−04:00. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:25, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Same here, at least in the summer. :) Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 21:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, good to hear, this way I know not to bug you first thing in the morning. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok, that's it, I'm spent. I do believe this is about the best I can do. Good copy is like good art; no two people ever totally agree on it, but I'm pretty pleased. I'll follow the FAC nom if you let me know when you post it. :) I've also copyedited about 20 other articles this month, as part of the March copyediting drive, so I think I'm going to take a little break from copyediting for a few weeks, but if you have another article in the pipeline, let me know and I'd be happy to work with you again when I've recovered. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 23:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, one other thing... I was going to ask if there is a particular reason you use footnotes for some of the information. I could cast everything in the notes into prose in the main body of the article, and I think it would be better off. I've never been a huge fan of the way the {{note}} template is rendered on Wikipedia, and especially when mixed with citation markers, I think it's confusing for the reader. My personal opinion is that a lot of that (interesting) information is going to get missed by the reader. I didn't move it back up, in case you had your reasons for subjugating it to footnotes, but I thought I'd ask. Let me know if you want me to try and work them back into the main text. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 00:12, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey, thank for doing that... your changes look good to me. I'm particularly focused on prose with this one since it's so short. I've got the pre-FAC jitters already... You have been doing quite a bit these days, probably good to take a break, don't want to burn out. There is another article I might ask for help on when you're ready (William S. Sadler), but I'm still figuring out how I'll organize some of the structure so it is probably better to wait. Interesting about the footnotes. It could be the influence of all the David Foster Wallace stuff I've read, but I like putting some of the information down there. Part of it is practical, a way around the problem if I can't find a way to make something flow well, sometimes I put them in if there's something fairly trivial or whatever. I have been moving gradually towards putting more in the notes, perhaps I should check that urge. For now, I think I'll wait to see if any reviewers bring it up before moving text back into the body though. Alright, thanks for all the help! Mark Arsten (talk) 01:09, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

• There was quite the flurry of comments on the FAC this weekend! I revised the lead quite a bit, you might want to check my work. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:33, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I checked it quickly on my phone last night, and nothing jumped out at me and said "Holy schnikie, that's bad prose!" I'll take a more detailed look some time today and get back to you. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 11:52, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Cool, good to hear :) Mark Arsten (talk) 14:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

• One more thing, someone asked about capitals at the FAC, you might know better than I about that. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:54, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Comments made, a few more copyedits made, and lead reviewed. It's looking good! Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 18:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help today, I think we managed to get our heads above water by the end! Mark Arsten (talk) 04:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

• Hey, we did it! That was an action packed week at FAC! Mark Arsten (talk) 00:09, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

A big NPT update

Hey! Big update on what the developers have been working on, and what is coming up:

coding

• Fixes for the "moved pages do not show up in Special:NewPages" and "pages created from redirects do not show up in Special:NewPages" bugs have been completed and signed off on. Unfortunately we won't be able to integrate them into the existing version, but they will be worked into the Page Triage interface.
• Coding has been completed on three elements; the API for displaying metadata about the article in the "list view", the ability to keep the "patrol" button visible if you edit an article before patrolling it, and the automatic removal of deleted pages from the queue. All three are awaiting testing but otherwise complete.

All other elements are either undergoing research, or about to have development started. I appreciate this sounds like we've not got through much work, and truthfully we're a bit disappointed with it as well; we thought we'd be going at a faster pace :(. Unfortunately there seems to be some 24-72 hour bug sweeping the San Francisco office at the moment, and at one time or another we've had several devs out of it. It's kind of messed with workflow.

Stuff to look at

We've got a pair of new mockups to comment on that deal with the filtering mechanism; this is a slightly updated mockup of the list view, and this is what the filtering tab is going to look like. All thoughts, comments and suggestions welcome on the NPT talkpage :). I'd also like to thank the people who came to our last two office hours sessions; the logs will be shortly available here.

I've also just heard that the first functional prototype for enwiki will be deployed mid-April! Really, really stoked to see this happening :). We're finding out if we can stick something up a bit sooner on prototype.wiki or something.

I appreciate there may be questions or suggestions where I've said "I'll find out and get back to you" and then, uh. not ;p. I sincerely apologise for that: things have been a bit hectic at this end over the last few weeks. But if you've got anything I've missed, drop me a line and I'll deal with it! Further questions or issues to the usual address. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 17:16, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

GOCE March drive wrap-up

Guild of Copy Editors March 2012 backlog elimination drive GOCE March 2012 Backlog Elimination progress graph Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors March 2012 Backlog elimination drive! This is the most successful drive we have had for quite a while. Here is your end-of-drive wrap-up newsletter. Participation Of the 70 people who signed up for this drive, 40 copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Special acknowledgement goes out to Lfstevens, who did over 200 articles, most of them in the last third of the drive, and topped all three leaderboard categories. You're a superstar! Stfg and others have been pre-checking the articles for quality and conformance to Wikipedia guidelines; some have been nominated for deletion or had some preliminary clean-up done to help make the copy-edit process more fun and appealing. Thanks to all who helped get those nasty last few articles out of the target months. Progress report During this drive we were successful in eliminating our target months—October, November, and December 2010—from the queue, and have now eliminated all the 2010 articles from our list. We were able to complete 500 articles this month! End-of-drive results and barnstar information can be found here. When working on the backlog, please keep in mind that there are options other than copy-editing available; some articles may be candidates for deletion, or may not be suitable for copy-editing at this time for other reasons. The {{GOCEreviewed}} tag can be placed on any article you find to be totally uneditable, and you can nominate for deletion any that you discover to be copyright violations or completely unintelligible. If you need help deciding what to do, please contact any of the coordinators. Thank you for participating in the March 2012 drive! All contributions are appreciated. Our next copy-edit drive will be in May. Your drive coordinators – Dianna (Talk), Stfg (Talk), and Dank (talk) To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. EdwardsBot (talk) 22:09, 4 April 2012 (UTC)