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Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (June 23)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to User:Karinvanderlaag/sandbox, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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Theroadislong (talk) 08:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Karinvanderlaag! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Theroadislong (talk) 08:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: David Wicht (June 28)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Star Mississippi were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This is a CV, not an article

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:David Wicht and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:David Wicht, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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Star Mississippi 20:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:David Wicht has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:David Wicht. Thanks! Star Mississippi 20:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I agree and will keep working on the article to make it ready to publish. Question: Can I save my changes without re-submitting everytime, as I would like to work on the article over a period of time and save changes as I go and then re-submit when I am fully ready?

Thanks again for your help

Karin van der Laag Karinvanderlaag (talk) 09:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Karinvanderlaag. Yes. Just hit publish and your changes will save. When you feel it's ready, click to re-submit. Let me know if I can help in any other way. Star Mississippi 15:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Karinvanderlaag (talk) 12:40, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:David Wicht has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:David Wicht. Thanks! Greenman (talk) 18:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Greenman. At the beginning of this process I was asked to disclose whether I was being paid or not and did so. I am not sure why it does not show up here. Can you help me add anything else that will show that I am a paid contributor for this page? I tried to add the template on my talk page as well. Thanks in advance, Karin van der Laag Karinvanderlaag (talk) 07:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the disclosure is not yet correct. The template that appears on the talk page says "InsertName ... has been paid by InsertName ..." which isn't very enlightening. The specifics of your own situation need to be included. Greenman (talk) 17:07, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The contributor Karin van der Laag will be paid by David Wicht on completion of the article for Wikipedia. Karinvanderlaag (talk) 09:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Karinvanderlaag (talk) 12:40, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use require that editors disclose their "employer, client, and affiliation" with respect to any paid contribution; see WP:PAID. For advice about reviewing paid contributions, see WP:COIRESPONSE.

InsertName (talk · contribs) has been paid by InsertName on their behalf. Insert relevant links, such as relevant affiliations, disclosures, article drafts written by paid editors, or diffs showing paid contributions being added to articles.

. ==

{{Connected contributor (paid)|User1=InsertName|U1-employer=InsertName|U1-client=InsertName|U1-otherlinks=Insert relevant links, such as relevant affiliations, disclosures, article drafts written by paid editors, or diffs showing paid contributions being added to articles.}}.

Karinvanderlaag (talk) 12:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good Day Greenman, Thank you for your message.

When I started the process I disclosed that I was a paid editor, but seem to have gone about it the wrong way.

David Wicht will pay me to write his Wikipedia page and FIlm Afrika the company will pay me to write their page. I do not work for either of them. I am a writer, Script Supervisor and Actress in the Film Industry.

I am not sure if i have disclosed this correctly now.

Can you help?

Thanks Karin Karinvanderlaag (talk) 12:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Karinvanderlaag. I copied it to your userpage. Courtesy heads up to @Greenman but I think I did it correctly. Star Mississippi 17:18, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Mississipi! Karinvanderlaag (talk) 12:41, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: David Wicht (August 14)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Greenman were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:David Wicht and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Greenman (talk) 08:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Film Afrika has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Film Afrika. Thanks! 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Film Afrika (October 28)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by S0091 was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

In addition to WP:CITEKILL, much of the content is unsourced and sources provided are brief mentions or what representative of Film Afrika say about themselves.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Film Afrika and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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S0091 (talk) 16:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: David Wicht (November 30)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Thatguy1987 was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:David Wicht and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Thatguy1987 (talk) 14:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:David Wicht[edit]

Hello, Karinvanderlaag. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:David Wicht, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 13:01, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I re-edited the page a few days ago and resubmitted it. It is now being reviewed once more. Thank you. Karinvanderlaag (talk) 11:56, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hello, I want to help you out on this, I added the infobox and corrected part of the filmography, so you'll be able to do the rest of it. Filmography don't usually have ref, and producteur should be mentionned after the movie example

2005: Duma: productor

you can look into articles of your favourite actors or other person to check their page to help you write. There's lot of sources too Veganpurplefox (talk) 13:30, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

if you can take like 4 reliable sources with significant coverage of him and improve the draft it would be better. I learned a lot with making my own Drafts and how it is made I wouldn't have put on submission, but you can improve it Veganpurplefox (talk) 13:32, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. I will take a look. Karinvanderlaag (talk) 14:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:David Wicht has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:David Wicht. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 00:05, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Robert McClenon there were some shenanigans going on here with the move, but they had nothing to do with @Karinvanderlaag's editing Star Mississippi 02:54, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Star Mississippi - I thought so. All that I did was to leave a template message that I leave on a draft that was moved from article space to draft space. The message was not really meant to be addressed to any one editor, but to anyone reviewing or editing the page. I thought that there had been COI editing and maybe other misconduct. The note was left on the talk page of Karinvanderlaag because Twinkle thought that they were the submitter. I wasn't trying to figure out who was doing what. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha, thanks @Robert McClenon. I misread If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, please ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting. as saying they had moved it and it was moved back. Need more coffee. Star Mississippi 12:31, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, User:Star Mississippi. That's a template message, {{sentback}}, that I put on almost any page that was draftified, telling editors not to move-war it back into article space. As we know, if an article is move-warred back into article space after being draftified, AFD is usually the way to resolve the issue. Anyway, you and I both knew that there was some sort of disruption with the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:46, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: David Wicht (September 15)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Cabrils was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Well done on creating the draft, and it may potentially meet the relevant requirements (including WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, WP:CREATIVE) but presently it is not clear that it does. As other reviewers have noted, Wikipedia's basic requirement for entry is that the subject is notable. Essentially subjects are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. To properly create such a draft page, please see the articles ‘Your First Article’, ‘Referencing for Beginners’ and ‘Easier Referencing for Beginners’. Additionally, the draft tends to read too much like a CV, which Wikipedia is not. Also, if you have any connection to the subject, including being paid, you have a conflict of interest that you must declare on your Talk page (to see instructions on how to do this please click the link). Please familiarise yourself with these pages before amending the draft. If you feel you can meet these requirements (it would be helpful if you could please identify, with specificity, which criteria you believe the draft meets?) then resubmit the page and leave a note for me on my talk page and I would be happy to reassess.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:David Wicht and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Cabrils (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Cabrils

Thank you for your comments.

I will re-look at the article with your suggestions. As regards being paid, I have mentioned this a number of times on my talk page so I am not sure why it is not showing up. Greenman asked me this question already in August 2022 and I stated clearly on this page that I would be paid as well as adding the "connected contributor" paragraph.

I will persevere and get back to you.

Thanks for your help

Kind Regards

Karin van der Laag Karinvanderlaag (talk) 06:52, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Film Afrika has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Film Afrika. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 15:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Film Afrika[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Film Afrika requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://filmafrika.com/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Hi Jay

I am in the process of writing this article and was not aware that it was already "published". I am of course not intending to publish it with direct comments from the film afrika website. That would be ludicrous.

I understood that I was editing this page in private. I am not sure how this happened. Please could you help me with this and return this page to a draft space where i thought it was?? Karinvanderlaag (talk) 07:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am working on the draft as we speak Karinvanderlaag (talk) 07:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please show me the direct copy from the Film Afrika website?

I asked for my original draft written in 2022 to be undeleleted.

My second draft copy had information from the Film Afrika website that I was in the process of re-working while I waited for my original 2022 draft to be undeleted which I see it now has been. The draft I started in 2024 is now null and void and no longer required. Karinvanderlaag (talk) 07:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are no circumstances where copyright information, once discovered, may remain on any part of Wikipedia, even transiently, with the very tiny exception of an administrator redacting that information and removing it from public view. Very short attributed and cited quotations are allowed. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The drafts were never published. I had restored your 2022 draft twice - once in 2023 and now again earlier this month. Not sure where the confusion lies. Jay 💬 09:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correct declaration of paid contributons[edit]

I see that you are anticipating payment from David Wicht and from Film Africa. I=y seems that you have not made those pad editing declarations correctly, though I believe this is not deliberate.

Please read WP:PAID carefully.

There are two declarations you need to make for each article where you are compensated:

{{Paid}} on your user page, with all parameters filled out carefully
{{Connected contributor (paid)}} on the article talk page, with all parameters filled out carefully. Please do not omits the "EH" parameter.

It is important to make corrections to your declarations at once, please. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.

I don't know how to attach these declarations to my pages.

Could you please guide me through the process? Karinvanderlaag (talk) 08:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are being paid to edit here and to get it right. You have all the information at your disposal already. There is no additional guidance anyone can give e you, except to take your time to understand what you are reading. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What Timtrent may be telling you is that now you are here, you may as well start helping out in articles or drafts outside of your paid editing scope, and you'll find more friendly interaction. Jay 💬 10:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: David Wicht (May 20)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Timtrent were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Wicht may pass WP:NFILMMAKER, but the manner of presentation conceals that,

The lede is overlong (see WP:MOSLEDE), and is a list of stuff formatted as prose. It is quite unreadable. You need to consider what you are doing. As a paid editor you need to be on top of your craft before using for a review. Ask yourself, "Is this good work?" Where you cannot answer that it is, edit it, in this case brutally.

As I proceed to the remainder, this is a set of obvious lists of stuff.

This means that you have created a draft which is a list, followed by further lists. I am sure you can see why I am pushing this back to you for brutal editing.

All you have to do, all, is to show that Wicht passes WP:NFILMMAKER.

You have so far submitted this six times for review. You are being paid to get it right. Reviewers are all volunteers, and I see no reason to assist you in being paid. Please make your seventh submission for review the last, by diligent editing. And lose IMDB.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:David Wicht and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:David Wicht has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:David Wicht. Thanks! 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:David Wicht has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:David Wicht. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 08:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soliciting Wikipedia editors for Paid work[edit]

STOP - You have solicited me for paid article creation. Under no circumstances do that to any editor ever again. I predict doing so will result in a block. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain any relationship with Gihan Jayaweera[edit]

This may be personal or professional. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:David Wicht has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:David Wicht. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 12:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

COI clean up edit.[edit]

Hello @Karinvanderlaag, Insw your edits to Draft:David Wicht and failure also to address the reviewers' concerns of getting the article to mainspace. While watching the discussion at Trent's talk page, I saw you're reluctant to good faith advice given to you but remember "we don't treat paid editors as trash rather we correct them also" (POV). I will edit the draft for you and you see the changes if what you couldn't do. I will also advise you to desist from paid editing as it will totally reflect your work here. Wikipedia is all about volunteering and per me and must editors, we learn more here and following that learning, wouldn't make us deceive wikipedia by turning what we learn daily (WP:CIVILITY, following people's opinion per WP:CONSENSUS, and knowing what we call reliable source plus all other policies). They will help you also. Regards. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 08:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

to echo @SafariScribe here, as well as @Timtrent @Jay @Theroadislong and others who have tried to help you throughout this. Wicht's article has been deemed not ready for publication and Film Afrika does not meet N:ORG. Adding more sources doesn't help that. It's disengenous to say you haven't received help or that there's a cabal-we have tried to help. We are not required to do work on behalf of your client, nor are you. You can either continue to try on these to address the issues raised, or you can edit elsewhere in the project where you're not being paid. That's your decision, but my personal recommendation is you decide whether you want to be member of the community or not. Star Mississippi 12:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi, I have edited and improved the draft. However, @Karinvanderlaag, like Star Mississippi said, you decide also to join Wikipedia volunteering because it isn't going to be easy Ike this again. It's neither a threat (never), it a friendly advice. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huge thanks are due from you to @SafariScribe, who has turned a frightful mess into a submitted draft which now has a chance of acceptance. I have a firm suggestion to you that you do not submit an invoice to your employer for this draft. Doing to would, in my view, be fraud.

I suggest you cease all action on your other paid draft until you have learned how to work here. Indeed I suggest you cease and desist from paid editing. The skills you have exhibited so far suggest that you are not understanding sufficient of the task before you to succeed.

I perceive you as not being here to create an encyclopaedia and that you are here for a financial motive. I will tell you clearly now that your attempt to solicit me to produce paid work has been passed to the relevant team who will take action or not at their sole discretion. I have included in that report the fact that you asked me where you night find editors who would work for pay.

We are charged to assume good faith in our dealings with all editors. I can tell you that mine has been stretched past its elastic limit.

You needs to make a decision either to work well as a volunteer, or to work on some other project. I suggest you withdraw from paid editing.

Thank you from me, first and foremost to @SafariScribe, and then, In no particular order to @Star Mississippi, @Theroadislong @Jay and others too numerous to mention who have tried to offer you advice and help, and had their help misunderstood or ignored. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]