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Wikiproject Slovenia

Hi:

please check out this page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Europe/Slovenia. A wikiproject on Slovenia has been started nad I think it would be great to have you on board. If you feel like joining, please put your name on the list. Take care, Viator slovenicus (talk) 10:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Geopedia.si

As you have been editing articles about Slovenian settlements and adding coordinates to them, I'd like to tell you about Geopedia, a national open project offering coordinates, maps, and photos of various places in Slovenia. That's for the following reasons:

  • a map of the whole settlement is shown
  • the site provides much more data (the municipality, geocoordinates, altitude, area, etc.)
  • a backlink to Wikipedia is provided
  • the site is non-commercial

I think it would make much sense to include links to Geopedia either in the 'External links' section or in the infobox. See for yourself e.g. in Srgaši. --Eleassar my talk 10:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Alojz Rebula

Thanks for your contributions. Could you please add footnotes for the contents you've contributed (I'm planning to nominate it at the Did You Know project)? Thanks a lot. --Eleassar my talk 11:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, have done so in text, though I had put the source in the references list before. By the way, your footnotes for the quotes at the begining of the text are not quite correct, the bit about Grandfather Karst is also from LIC ... I could not find it at all on the Kresnik reference you put in ... I changed 'antique' to 'ancient' though it is not so in the original translation in an attempt to make it clearer ... not sure the beginning of the article is the best place for the two quotes, the Grandfather Karst one does not make much sense to me in English (Sounds too much like Grandfather Frost (Dedek Mraz) or something and not like 'Praoče Kras' in the original ... someting along the lines of 'Wise Old Karst', 'Ageold Karst' or 'Father Ancient Karst' would be closer to the tone of the original. In any case I would move it). Regards Kaktus999 (talk) 08:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I'll try to improve the article. Is it really best to say ancient? It sounds like old (star) not like related to the Antiquity (antičen) as the original says. »Praoče Kras je zaukazal dve tiranski ljubezni: na antičnem splavu boš rezal slovensko morje!« As for the grandfather, the Amebis dictionary offers following translations for 'praoče': ancestor; great-grandfather; primogenitor. I'll change to 'primogenitor' (you may correct it if this does not sound quite right, but of the suggestions listed above imo only the last one implies ancestry). I've moved the quotes to the section 'work' now. I hope it's ok. --Eleassar my talk 11:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
The nomination is listed here. Is it ok or do you think something else should be mentioned? --Eleassar my talk 11:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The nomination is fine. As for the above ... these are the problems of direct translation. Antique when talking about objects (in this case the raft), at least in British English sounds more to something you would find in an antique shop (an antique chest, an antique table etc), though it literally could mean something from Antiquity. Ancient means really old and though you could say it about a haggered starlet we also say things like Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, ancient remains, ancient coins, ancient documents etc ... I would say ancient raft, not antique. With grandfathers and primogenitors it is again a question of getting the tone right rather than making a direct translation. Perhaps 'Ancestral Karst' ... 'Karst the Primogenitor' (that is the way round I would put it if you leave this) sounds slightly OTT. Anyway ... I realise this was obviously already translated by someone and it was just a thought about trying to make it clearer ... It was more of an 'eyesore' when it was right at the start of the article. Now you have moved it I wouldn't worry about it too much. Others may comment and have better ideas. Regards Kaktus999 (talk) 13:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The article has been presented in the Did you know section on the Main Page. Thanks for your contribution and keep up the good work! --Eleassar my talk 19:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

dyk again

The church of St Mark in Vrba
The church of St Mark in Vrba
Are you sure about the word "homeliness"? The word means "ugly" (derived from homely), not "related to your home". At least that's how I take it. Maybe you could use an alternative word so that it has a better meaning throughout the world. Royalbroil 05:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I hadn't considered this but I think Americans use this phrase for peoples who are not so attractive. Is the word "patriotic"? ie pride in your home country? Meanwhile I'll take it out of the hook Victuallers (talk) 07:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Updated DYK query On 18 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St Mark's church (Vrba), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bobet 11:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Slovenian villages and templates

Hi. Thanks for continuing my work on this by filling out the templates and starting the villages Count Blofeld 12:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Spodnja Luša

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this is not an article about a person or organisation so the tag placed for speedy deletion is not correct ... a geo'stub tag has already correctly been placed on the article and this is a settlement in Slovenia which warrants an article ... so please remove speedy deletion tag!Kaktus999 (talk) 09:53, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Sopotnica, Slovenia

A tag has been placed on Sopotnica, Slovenia requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.) or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Fatal!ty (T☠LK) 10:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you actually look at the articles before you place this tag? Constructive ideas and tags are welcome ... this is just disruptive!Kaktus999 (talk) 10:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

As one of the reviewing administrators, I regret that the above absurd speedy nomination had ever been placed -- it was among a large group nominated for deletion contrary to policy by a user who has now been blocked for doing so, by consensus at WP:AN/I. Deletion has been prevented, and please feel free to remove the notice. I see that some other geographical articles have been nominated for speedy as non-notable; this is also against policy at WP:CSD, and, if any should by some accident accidentally get actually deleted, please remind the deleting administrator accordinglyDGG (talk) 18:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK expansion

Hello! Your submission of Velika Planina at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Is there any way you could expand this article within 24 hours or so to meet the reviewers' concern? —Politizer talk/contribs 18:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I never nominated this article for DYK and have just deleted a section and even a map that was added that had no connection whatsoever with the Velika Planina in question ... there is not much point in simply expanding an article to meet reviewers concerns without being totally sure that the additions are valid and properly referenced Kaktus999 (talk) 06:46, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Velika Planina

Updated DYK query On 10 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Velika Planina, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 14:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

refs

Hi Kaktus, just a note on reference tags: Please make sure your fullstops are placed before the reference, like this edit shows. Thanks for your edits here! - Kingpin13 (talk) 10:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

OK Thanks!Kaktus999 (talk) 10:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Formatting of coordinate templates

Thanks for adding articles on mountains!

I noticed that you have been formatting geotags like this:

{{coord|46.29.47|N|13.53.6|E|format=dms|type:mountain}}

However, this won't generate the correct coordinates for the map link with the templates used on the en: Wikipedia. The preferred format, which will generate the desired link format, is:

{{coord|46|29|47|N|13|53|6|E|format=dms|type:mountain}}

Regards,

-- The Anome (talk) 20:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

OK Thanks! Was just using format I copied from another mountain page without checking what it generates. Will bear in mind!Kaktus999 (talk) 06:39, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

refs again ;)

Hey Kaktus, another note on the reference tags, you now seem to be putting a full stop before and after, but you only need one before. Also, there shouldn't be a space (but don't worry about it over :D). Happy editing - Kingpin13 (talk) 08:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry :o ... it was just a typo that I was copying without noticing the mistake ... have been using full stop before ref in other edits since you pointed out the convention!Kaktus999 (talk) 08:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:Tolmin

Hello, I wanted to ask you about the template {{Tolmin}}. When you created this template, was it due a discussion in a project when people decided to create it (or anywhere else)-- or -- was it your own decision to make it?
If ti was the first case, then can you tell me where did that discussion was held? - Damërung ...ÏìíÏ..._ΞΞΞ_ . --  01:23, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Not sure what you are asking about ... this template is one of over two hundred created for Municipalities of Slovenia on a similar pattern which includes all the settlements of a municipality, landmarks and notable natives ... the settlements included and most of the landmarks for each municipality, including Tolmin, are taken from each municipality's official site as well as Geopedia, an interactive atlas of Slovenia ... anyone is welcome to add (or remove) landmarks or notable people if deemed appropriate and open a discussion about any of the templates, but with the settlements in the template there is not really much to discuss ... Kaktus999 (talk) 19:54, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but you created it boldly all alone by your own will? or was it requested by the comunity (whether in a project or not)? - Damërung ...ÏìíÏ..._Ξ_ . --  00:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Still not sure as to what this is aiming at ... the template was not requested by anyone though a list of municipality templates were on Wikipedia:WikiProject Europe/Slovenia with only a few of the 210 or so actually created, so I created the remaining templates. Don't think anyone would need to request such a thing ... it would rather spoil my personal idea of what wikipedia is and should be and I would probably not create it myself if it was requested :) Kaktus999 (talk) 23:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Jesenice

Zdravo. Ali bi mi lahko pomagal pri dopolnitvi članka o občini Jesenice na slovenki Wikipediji. Veliko sem povzel po spletni strani (imamo dovoljenje) in pa iz lastnih virov. No nekako mi manjka industrija-gospodarstvo in podnebje. Ne bi si upal preveč na pamet, ker smo se od tam (na žalost) odselili pred parimi leti...

Short summary in English: I asked Kaktus999 if he would help me improving article about Jesenice municipality on sl.wikipedia.org

lp, --Smihael (talk) 09:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Bom z veseljem pogledal, ko bom imel malo več časa.Kaktus999 (talk) 09:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Slovenian

You are invited to join WikiProject Intertranswiki and join Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Slovenian. It is intended to be a joint group between Intertranswiki and WikiProject Slovenia of which you are already a part of The aim is to draw up a directory of missing articles from Slovenian wikipedia, extract what is notable or suitable, and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge between other wikipedias. Even if you can't contribute much in starting content, your help is much needed to help draw up detailed lists of missing articles for Slovenia in the new project space and help other editors work through lists to build content more fully. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Slovenia/New article announcements

Hi, I have created the central place for listing all the articles related to Slovenia. Please add your newly created articles and uploaded images to Portal:Slovenia/New article announcements. Thanks. Regards, --Eleassar my talk 10:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Geopedia.si

Hi, old friend! Just wanted to inform you that the user interface of the Slovenian geographic information system Geopedia.si is now also available in English. Thanks for having provided links to the project. It would be appreciated very much if you can now also take some time to update them. --Eleassar my talk 07:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

tried to get it to work in english, but it does not seem to respond at the moment. Will try again tomorrow. If you can suggest an easy way of updating the links (there are rather a lot of them) that would be great, but surely even a link to the interface in Slovene will give anyone the chance to then use the English interface if that suits them (once that works properly) ... if I can get it to work I will gladly link to the english interface for all new links I will make.Kaktus999 (talk) 14:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
You may see an example in Log pod Mangartom. I'll post a request for bot assistance to update older links. --Eleassar my talk 15:33, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, now I understand ... it is just that this does not seem to work if you click on the 'english' icon on the actual site which is a bit silly on their part. Will of course use this for all new links. Yes, bot assistance on older links would be useful. Thanks. Kaktus999 (talk) 07:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Nemščina uradni, ali ne uradni

Kaktus! To ni pomembno nemščina ali uradni jezik, ali ne, ker v madžarski wikipediji tudi napišemo kaj je nemško ime naselja. Jaz živim v Verici pri Monoštru. Nemško ime je Permisch. Doncseczznánje 19:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Povrh sem bil večkrat v Pečarovcih in Šalamencih. V pokopališču sem videl, da danes tudi je več družin, ki so nemškega rodu: Temlin, ali Supin. Doncseczznánje 20:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I would still not use the German name in the lead. Hungarian Wikipedia might be different, but so far on English Wikipedia I have noticed that using non-official languages in the lead is usually avoided. Most places in Slovenia had a German name or at least a German spelling at some point, but since these are no longer used I would have thought it can only be mentioned as a historical reference.Kaktus999 (talk) 20:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Ja, ampak to je Prekmurje. Pečarovci, ali Verica zato imata nemško ime, ker nekoč so živeli Nemci. Npr. moja mama je Nemka. Ampak v Prekmurju ne vse naselje ima nemško ime. Tam je Košarovci. V arhivu v Sombotelu sem videl, da v nemščini tako pišejo da Kosarócz, to je bil staro madžarsko ime naselja. Zato ker ni so živeli tam Nemci in nima nemškega imena. V članku Gradiščanske (Burgenland) sem napisal nekoč da v prekmurščini je Gradišče. To je samo pokrajinski jezik, osamosvojeno narečje slovenskega jezika, ni urednega jezika, ampka angleški uporabniki niso vzameli. Doncseczznánje 20:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Če se ime v nekem jeziku uporablja bi ga lahko vključili v prvo vrsto članka, tudi če je to narečje in ne uradni jezik, zato me ne moti, da si napisal tudi imena v prekmurščini za nekatere vasi. Nemško ime se pa, čeprav so kot praviš tu živeli Nemci, verjetno ne uporablja več. Seveda pa veste boljše 'domačini'. Lep pozdrav Kaktus999 (talk) 21:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Nekoč smo se že o tem pogovarjali. Mnenje je tudi bilo, da bi se naj imena naših krajev (govorim za Prekmurje) poimenovala v obeh (na tromeji celo v treh) jezikih tam kjer bivajo na naših tleh tudi narodnostne manjšine. To je ob meji. Tu so tudi javni napisi dvojezični in uradno se uporabljata oba jezika. Jaz sem Prekmurec in sem doma v bližini Murske Sobote, moje mišljenje je, da mogoče marsikaterega bralca lahko ta imena, ki so bila nekoč uporabljana, zdaj so pa vključena celo v začetek članka zavedejo. Madžarska imena bi se naj dodala v zgodovino kraja - kateri so bili pod madžarsko oblastjo. Tu bi se lahko dodala tudi prekmurska imena. Tako bi naj vseboval opis posameznega kraja: Ime (kjer so manjšine v obeh jezikih), občino (velja isto), pokrajino i državo. To je moj predlog. LP --Feri (talk) 19:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Seveda se strinjam z tem, da se navedeta oba imena vseh krajev v dvojezičnih občinah, in sem zato v vseh člankih navedel tudi Madžarsko ime. Z Doncseczom pa je bila debata o nemških imenih (kot naprimer Schallendorf za Šalamence), ki pa vsaj v kolikor vem niso uradna. Ne vem pa koliko so nemška imena poznana in uporabljena pri domačinih, tudi če so nemškega rodu. Drugje po Sloveniji se ponavadi ne navaja nemških imen, tudi če so to obmejni kraji, ker se preprosto ne uporabljajo. Pod zgodovino kraja pa se seveda lahko navedejo tako nemška kot ostala starejša imena krajev. Trenutno sam ne pišem člankov o zgodovini vsake vasi, ampak izdelujem samo škrbine z uvodnim opisom, osnovnimi statističnimi podatki, koordinatami itn. Kaktus999 (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Link

Ti veš od tu dodati link na Bodonci. LP --Feri (talk) 13:03, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokra%C4%8Di Bokrači. Tu je povezava. LP--Feri (talk) 13:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Places and regions of Slovenia

Hi, Kaktus999!

I'd like to point out the following example for you that I've spotted:

"Zgornje Jezersko is a settlement that is the administrative centre of the Jezersko Municipality in the Upper Carniola region of Slovenia."

Zgornje Jezersko was historically part of the Carinthia, therefore it is part of the traditional region of Carinthia. Since the introduction of the statistical regions of Slovenia, it is also part of the 'Gorenjska statistical region'. Therefore, it would be better to say something like:

"Zgornje Jezersko is a settlement that is the administrative centre of the Jezersko Municipality in Slovenia. It is part of the traditional Slovenian Carinthia region and the Gorenjska statistical region."

What I've realized here is that to be clear, it is important to also specify the type of the region. Cheers, --Eleassar my talk 07:22, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that you had corrected it before ... I just wasn't aware it was part of Carinthia because Geopedia gives it as being in Gorenjska ... but it seems that it refers to the statistical region there ... and I probably skived off the lesson at school when Carinthia was on the syllabus, so yes, it can be clarified in the way you suggest, but Jezersko is a peculiarity in this sense with only two settlements where this clarification is needed. Perhaps there should be a different section in the settlement info box which should differenciate between what regions geographically and what region statistically each settlement belongs to. I think it is also confusing with the Slovenian Littoral as a historical region, Goriška and the Goriška statistical region and Obalno-kraška statistical region, as well as parts of Upper Carniola and Osrednjeslovenska statistical region etc etc ... where some areas do not quite correspond. (Just realised that none of the regions quite fit the statistical region anyway) ... Perhaps as soon as pages for all the statistical regions are created we can think of a way of including them in the settlement info box. I will take care in the lead of all new articles created that this is clear(er)... Thanks for pointing it out! Kaktus999 (talk) 10:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
See how I have added to the info box in Spodnje Jezersko to see what I mean ... pages for the statistical regions need to be created ... I am not sure I quite get what a statistical region is and where this is important (I am sure it has something to do with funding at some level) ... why were the articles such as Gorenjska statistical region deleted in the past? Kaktus999 (talk) 11:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

AFAIK, statistical regions were introduced by the Statistical Office of Slovenia for statistical purposes. See also sl:Statistične regije Slovenije. Also note, that the geographic regionalization of Slovenia is completely different from the traditional regions that are the legacy of the Austrian Empire. Things will get even more complicated with the introduction of the administrative regions. I think your idea with the infobox parameters is very fine.

For Jezersko, Region: Koroška should be Traditional region: Koroška instead. Otherwise it seems good.

The 'Gorenjska statistical region' was deleted because the creator at first redirected it to 'Gorenjska' and then emptied the page. --Eleassar my talk 12:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Slovenia

Hi, Kaktus999! Please add {{WikiProject Slovenia}} (with the parameters 'class' and 'importance': see the documentation at its talk page) to the talk pages of the newly created (and other) articles related to Slovenia. This is a template used to tag the article as being inside the scope of WP:SLO and to collect data about the importance and quality of the articles that we deal with. You may see an example at Talk:Slovenia or Talk:Gornji Slaveči. --Eleassar my talk 09:49, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

You may have a look at the grid. --Eleassar my talk 10:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Geopedia once more

Hi, Kaktus999! Geopedia seems to have been updated once more. Pls compare Log pod Mangartom and Mirna. Regards, --Eleassar my talk 19:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Not quite sure what I am supposed to be comparing ... something is not quite right with Geopedia, for some reason they have changed the info shown on the left in the 'cities layer' and it now does not show which municipality each settlement is in (this was useful information) and looking at the links to the above two settlements you have suggested, the altitude is -2.1 for Log pod Mangartom and -1.9 for Mirna which is clearly a mistake ... I will continue to add links as I have done so far as I think it is a useful link, but I cannot track Geopedia changes and updates and change all entries ... If you think I should be doing something specific please suggest. Regards, Kaktus999 (talk) 06:41, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Koprivnica

Hi there. Just because there are three places with the same name, that doesn't necessarily mean that you need to fully disambiguate, especially when the existing topic is prevalent and it already has a {{for}} tag on top. Please review Wikipedia:Disambiguation. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:24, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, fine ... though I cannot see why all entries should not be fully disambiguated since prevalance is relative in most cases. :) Kaktus999 (talk) 09:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

Hello Kaktus999! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 2 of the articles that you created are tagged as Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring these articles up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 944 article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list:

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Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 15:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Done! Kaktus999 (talk) 21:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Koroška statistical region

I'm very uncomfortable with "Koroška" as an English speaker; the relevant EU page (http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/ramon/nuts/codelist_en.cfm?list=nuts) only gives endonyms, but this doesn't force us to say "Belgique" OR "België" in English; it's still just "Belgium". (Similarly, only "Bayern" is given there, but it's just "Bavaria" to us English speakers). The only official name of the Carinthia statistical region given is "Koroška statistična regija". Using names like "Jugovzhodna Slovenija" in English is even worse -- they actually mean something very mundane (in this case, "southeast Slovenia") that is very clear and transparent to Slovenian speakers, but opaque to non-Slovenian speakers. As such, an expression like "Jugovzhodna Slovenija statistical region" fails to communicate in English what is obvious to the Slovenian speaker. (Sort of like writing "gibanica" on a menu and hoping that the English speaker will just understand it somehow.) Functionally, these kinds of names represent loss of semantic information in moving from the source language to the target language. Doremo (talk) 08:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you entirely on the semantics, but you either translate all the names of statistical regions or none. Mundane as the meanings may be, these are the names given for the statistical regions. Perhaps their meaning in English can be given in the lead.Kaktus999 (talk) 08:11, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree with your suggestion that they all be translated. Of course, the English articles should present the Slovenian names too (like "Lake Bohinj (Slovene: Bohinjsko jezero)", "Ljubljana Castle (Slovene: Ljubljanski grad)", and so on). That way users will have the original names available as well as a semantically clear name. I can start working on this later today.Doremo (talk) 08:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
This is not exactly what I suggested. What I said was that you either translate all or none. To me Inner Carniola - Carstic region or the Savinja region is just as awkward and meaningless as Notranjsko Kraška region or Savinjska region ... what I suggest is that the meaning in English be given after the official name in the lead ... perhaps comments from others can help us decide a standard. Kaktus999 (talk) 12:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't see the comment on this page before I launched into it tonight. "Savinja Region" sounds nice to me -- it just means the "region around the Savinja" (like the Thames region, Mississippi region, etc.). It's quite natural sounding in English -- like "Ljubljana Castle" (and not "Ljubljanski castle") or "Lake Bled" (and not "Lake Blejsko"). ˙(I wouldn't used "c/karstic" -- Slovenians tend to use it to correspond to the adjective "kraški", but English tends to use a bare denominal modifier; e.g., "karst landscape".) Anyhow, as long as the Slovenian name is also available (like "The Bank of Slovenia (Slovene: Banka Slovenije)", Postojna Cave "(Slovene: Postojnska jama)", etc.) people should be satisfied because the pattern matches most other English-language articles on Slovenia.Doremo (talk) 18:28, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
OK. As I said before, I agree on the semantics. I never questioned Lake Bled, Ljubljana Castle or Postojna Cave ... this was a slightly different issue as the mishmashy name appears in the source and was not something I translated ... I was also not doubting the grammar when I said it was awkward ... with the Savinja region etc (as a near random example from the list of Slovenian regions), what I was getting at is that word Savinja, to someone who has never heard of the river, is pretty meaningless ... but then that is what Wikipedia is for aye? ;) Kaktus999 (talk) 06:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I have copied this discussion into the relevant article talk page, so if any further comments arise lets continue there.


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Križevci

There's Križevci, Gornji Petrovci and Križevci, Slovenia, apparently not the same place, so maybe the latter title should actually be a disambig page. Križevci currently points to Križevci, Slovenia, ignoring the other one. GregorB (talk) 19:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks for pointing this out. I have fully disambiguated all Križevci pages and tried to make it as clear as possible. Kaktus999 (talk) 08:19, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

If you want this to stay and not get reverted, please do what the move page told you and go through Special:WhatLinksHere/Križevci and fix all the links you just made ambiguous. (The only reason I'm not reverting this bad move is because the second listed Križevci isn't a hamlet, but if the links don't get updated, I will revert it.) --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:39, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I think that this disambiguation choice was a bit unfortunate, but there you have it... I'll help with the links, since I started this all in the first place... :-) GregorB (talk) 08:21, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I had started fixing the links, but was distracted elsewhere. I looked at the German version of wikipedia which fully disambiguates Križevci, so that is why I moved Križevci to Križevci, Croatia. As I said before prevalence is relative. In some cases it is of course generally accepted and a such it is appropriate that a Wikipedia article should link to the prevelant interpretation of a topic. This is not the case for places like Križevci. The Croatian Križevci is prevalent for Croats, for Slovenes Križevci points to something else. Most users are neither, so the only solution is to fully disambiguate. All I tried to do was to clarify the point. I do not understand why Joy, though you are obviously an administrator with a lot of work behind you, should object every time an article connected to Croatia is disambiguated. After your first comment I accepted the reversals for Koprivnica without a problem, the disambiguation for Križevci does not really fall into the same category. I would not have done anything with the article if GregorB had not pointed out the ambiguity within Slovenia. I do not like the tone Jay's message. It is not a bad move to add the word Croatia to Križevci when it refers to Križevci in Croatia and there are settlements and a municipality with the same name elsewhere. If you think you want to revert the move please do so, but this will not help the issue in any way.Kaktus999 (talk) 13:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Zagorje ob Savi

Hi, thanks for your work adding all the settlements. Do you think though that you could expand a few articles like this one. Its just we have much better tiny village articles than a lot of the municipalities! Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I will get round to it eventually. I am trying to be systematic about it so that things do not get left behind. I expand and reference each municipality article when I get round to creating the articles for all the settlements in that municipality. It does take time, because I am also trying to put a bit more information that just XXX is a settlement in Slovenia in each article and also to add appropriate references. I am currently at Velike Lašče and am moving geographically rather than alphabetically. Will get to Zagorje ob Savi and alike ASAP. Regards. Kaktus999 (talk) 10:21, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Good one. I've expanded Žužemberk. I've also made a proposal to WP:Slovenia to collobarate and help create some DYKs Once I've finished with Žužemberk I'll propose for a DYK. It would be nice to see these articles on the main page of course.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I've made a map of southwestern amd northwestern Slovenia. See it in use in Koper and Tolmin. If you like the scale I'll make similar maps for the other areas of Slovenia. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:42, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, though, to be honest, personally not overenthusiastic ... too confusing with too many maps on the side of each article ... also the small scale map in the corner of your map is a map of statistical regions, regions that were only recently created and are used for statistical purposes. They do not really correspond to any traditional regional division in Slovenia, thus it is questionable whether it is the right image for the thumbnail ... something also not quite right with your map of northwestern slovenia ... why does the green appear only in a strip on the right hand of the image ... as far as I am concerned it needs to be clearer and perhaps simpler. Regards Kaktus999 (talk) 14:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC) Just looked at some of the examples you have done with the villages ... I just think it is confusing ... they should just have a map of their location within Slovenia as they did originally ... having a detail of the region does not clarify anything ... Kaktus999 (talk) 14:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, feel free to revert all of my edits changing maps today them. If I could provide a higher quality version I would. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC) No worries, I've self reverted. I agree, I'm just looking for a way you can see them regionally with some corresponding features other than just a dull blank map. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, OK ... I agree with you about trying to find another way of seeing the settlements regionally, especially those that are also municipalities and already have a map of the location of XXX municipality within Slovenia ... there a regional map would be useful for showing the location of the settlement that is its administrative centre ... but it does need to be a clear map with corresponding features that do not confuse the reader (a major river, peak, highway and the nearest major town perhaps) ... it also has to be a copyright free image of a good enought resolution ... at this stage I am unable to help with the graphics, but I am sure some solution will be found eventually. Regards Kaktus999 (talk) 05:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Something like on the right by historical region I was thinking, decent quality svgs. Unfortunately Slovenia is not that clearly defined by provinces and is not likely to have regional maps made for them in the near future... Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC) Have you nearly finished the Slovenian villages? When those are all started are you going to start work on the municipalities, expanding and referencing them? If so I'd be glad to help. Dr. Blofeld White cat 08:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC) {{Infobox Settlement |official_name = Example |other_name = |native_name = <!-- for cities whose native name is not in English --> |nickname = |settlement_type = <!--For Town or Village (Leave blank for the default City)--> |motto = |image_skyline = |imagesize = 250px |image_caption = |image_flag = |flag_size = |image_seal = |seal_size = |image_shield = |shield_size = |image_blank_emblem = |blank_emblem_type = |blank_emblem_size = |image_map = |mapsize = |map_caption = |image_map1 = |mapsize1 = |map_caption1 = |image_dot_map = |dot_mapsize = |dot_map_caption = |dot_x = |dot_y = |pushpin_map = France Bretagne<!-- the name of a location map as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Location_map --> |pushpin_label_position =bottom |pushpin_map_caption = |subdivision_type = Country |subdivision_name = [[Image:Flag of Slovenia.svg|25px]] [[Slovenia]] |subdivision_type1 = Region |subdivision_name1 = [[Slovenian Littoral]] |subdivision_type2 = [[Municipalities of Slovenia|Municipality]] |subdivision_name2 = [[Brda, Slovenia|Brda]] |subdivision_type3 = |subdivision_name3 = |subdivision_type4 = |subdivision_name4 = |leader_name = |leader_title1 = |leader_name1 = |leader_title2 = |leader_name2 = |leader_title3 = |leader_name3 = |leader_title4 = |leader_name4 = |established_title = |established_date = |established_title2 = |established_date2 = |established_title3 = |established_date3 = |area_magnitude = |area_footnotes = |area_total_km2 =1.46 |area_land_km2 = |area_water_km2 = |area_total_sq_mi = |area_land_sq_mi = |area_water_sq_mi = |area_water_percent = |area_urban_km2 = |area_urban_sq_mi = |area_metro_km2 = |area_metro_sq_mi = |area_blank1_title = |area_blank1_km2 = |area_blank1_sq_mi = |population_as_of =2002 |population_footnotes = |population_note = |population_total =136 |population_density_km2 = |population_density_sq_mi = |population_metro = |population_density_metro_km2 = |population_density_metro_sq_mi = |population_urban = |population_density_urban_km2 = |population_density_urban_sq_mi = |population_blank1_title =Ethnicities |population_blank1 = |population_blank2_title =Religions |population_blank2 = |population_density_blank1_km2 = |population_density_blank1_sq_mi = |timezone = |utc_offset = |timezone_DST = |utc_offset_DST = |latd=48|latm=06|lats=53 |latNS=N |longd=1|longm=40|longs=46 |longEW=W }}

Working on them. It takes time. I reference and expand as much as possible each municipality page before I start doing the villages for it. Stuff needs to be properly referenced though and acceptible sources are not really available. There is not much point in sticking non-relevant or non reliable material just in order to expand the article. I am not sure that Slovene wikipedia is not a good source as it is, particularly for settlements, largely unreferenced and contains a lot of 'unencyclopedic' material. Kaktus999 (talk) 09:29, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

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