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key

If I compare with another song, what do you hear ? 162.247.121.237 (talk) 14:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

They are one key apart. The former is approximately in G major, while the latter is approximately in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:28, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

The first version is sung by a woman, it's in A major. The second version is sung by a man, it's a cover, so, the key drops to F major ? 162.247.121.237 (talk) 01:11, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

The reason for the key drop is mainly because the male voice is generally lower than a female voice. It has nothing to do with the cover much. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

The second version is not exactly in F major ? 162.247.121.237 (talk) 21:54, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Not exactly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

At 0:39 until 1:07, it's in a major key or minor key ? 162.247.121.237 (talk) 02:06, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Minor key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:59, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

This song is in F♯ major ? 162.247.121.237 (talk) 20:51, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:25, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Maybe G# major ? Fort123 (talk) 12:51, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Still hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:34, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Are you certain that the F♯ major starts in 0:16 ? Fort123 (talk) 19:04, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Close to, but not exactly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:04, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

But I think that it's exactly in F# major. Are you capable to guess if it's exactly in F# major ? Fort123 (talk) 16:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes. After taking a closer listen, it is in F♯ major. I just have to listen a few times. I am very busy though. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

You estimate that this song is in A major or B♭ major ? The intro is not clear, but the singing part is clear. Fort123 (talk) 00:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It is halfway between the two keys, though slightly closer to A major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

key

This song is exactly in F major ? Fort123 (talk) 16:04, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes. This is one of the few videos you showed me that I am able to determine if it is exact or not. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:27, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

This song has two keys ? It's in B major and F♯ major in 0:31 ? 166.48.169.143 (talk) 01:05, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

This song is closer to G major or G♯ major ? 166.48.169.143 (talk) 11:46, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:41, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Today, I haven't listened this song, because I want to guess the key, but I put only this song here. When I was a child, I have heard this song, it seems that it's in F♯ major, have I a good memory ? 166.48.169.143 (talk) 14:28, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

It is actually in F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:53, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Do you hear a difference in the key ? 166.48.169.143 (talk) 23:53, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Very slight. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:08, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

The former is in F♯ major, do you think that the latter is almost in F major ? Fort123 (talk) 16:15, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

The latter is halfway between F major and F♯ major, but slightly closer to F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

key

The key is obvious or not ? Fort123 (talk) 16:15, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Obvious. It is in F♯. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:04, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

key

This song is in E♭ major or E major ? 162.246.52.229 (talk) 23:17, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Somewhere between the two. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:32, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

It's not exactly in E♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 12:53, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Not exactly but close. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:55, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

key

At 0:09 until 0:15, it's in a major key ? Fort123 (talk) 13:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Minor key actually. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

At 0:39 until 1:07, you are not sure that it is in a minor key ? Fort123 (talk) 16:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

It is in a minor key. That arpeggio near the end of that section helps me confirm that it is in a minor key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

But at 1:40 until 1:50, it's in D♯ major or C minor ? Fort123 (talk) 12:51, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

D♯ minor I believe. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:09, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

But it's sounds more like C minor, isn't it ? Fort123 (talk) 16:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Might be halfway between the two. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:16, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

The key is noticed or not ? Fort123 (talk) 13:49, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Not. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

It's in F major, no ? Fort123 (talk) 16:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I cannot tell, but Audacity detects it as F major (though Audacity is not that accurate at that). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:04, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

The intro is in F♯ major or C♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 12:20, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:17, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

But the C♯ major is also present ? Fort123 (talk) 20:11, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Partially, yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:29, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm capable to distinguish all keys, because I'm a synaesthete. You are not a synaesthete, why are you capable to distinguish all keys ? Which method do you use to distinguish all keys ? Fort123 (talk) 14:01, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Me, I listen to them several times, as well as using Audacity. I also had music education. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:51, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Audacity detects it as F major or G♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 18:41, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:57, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

But it's actually between F major and G♭ major. Fort123 (talk) 11:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:05, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

At 3:28 until 3:50, it's in G♭ major or E♭ minor ? Fort123 (talk) 19:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Both in fact! Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:05, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
But at 3:49, it's actually in G♭ major or E♭ minor ? Fort123 (talk) 16:29, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Can't tell, since it is missing a final tonic chord. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:23, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

key

At 3:41 until 3:55, it's in F♯ major or F♯ minor ? Fort123 (talk) 19:02, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Both oddly enough. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
But the final tonic chord is in a major key or a minor key ? Fort123 (talk) 10:56, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Major key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:19, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

This song is in a major key or a minor key ? Fort123 (talk) 13:11, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Have you misheard ? It's in A major, isn't it ? Fort123 (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I have misheard it. It is in A major (the vocals obscure the instrumentals). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
But at 0:40, it is not in A major ? Fort123 (talk) 02:22, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
It is hard to tell, but I believe that it is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:46, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

This song is in D minor ? Fort123 (talk) 16:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

At 0:19 until 1:05, the key is not obvious ? Fort123 (talk) 17:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

It is not obvious, due to how many modulations it has. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:03, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

But the intro's key is obvious ? Fort123 (talk) 12:46, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes. It is F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:46, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

This song is in E♭ major, but it's in G♭ major at 2:25 until 2:37 ? Fort123 (talk) 15:37, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:11, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
At 2:25 until 2:37, the G♭ major is very obvious ? Fort123 (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but it is not very obvious. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:27, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Are you sure that it's in G♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 14:30, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I am quite sure now. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

key

This song is in A major ? Fort123 (talk) 15:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

It is halfway between A major and B♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:21, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

At 2:08 until 2:18, it's in D minor ? Fort123 (talk) 14:42, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:04, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Maybe F major, maybe D minor. Fort123 (talk) 15:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
It is D minor then, since it sounds more like a minor key than a major key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:05, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
OK, but after 2:18, it's clearly in F major ? Fort123 (talk) 11:45, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
It sounds halfway between F major and F♯ major to me. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:51, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

These three songs are in a standard key or a microtone ? Fort123 (talk) 15:57, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

All three are in standard keys (or are in microtones very close to the standard keys). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:50, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Is there a song which is exactly in G♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
The first is exactly in G major. The second is exactly in G♭ major (and is the Cantonese version of Oh! Susanna). The third is close to G♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:44, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

What is your emotion about the difference of G♭ major and G major ? Fort123 (talk) 00:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Neutral. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:08, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Your emotions of G♭ major and G major are the same ? But you are capable to distinguish them. Fort123 (talk) 11:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I can distinguish them neutrally. I note the different pitches. One sounds higher than the other. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

The G♭ major sounds pleasant than the G major for me, not you ? Fort123 (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Me, they equally sound pleasant. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:14, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

The key is obvious or not ? Fort123 (talk) 13:50, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Not obvious. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:45, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

It's in D♯ minor, isn't it ? Fort123 (talk) 16:04, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Now I can hear it in that key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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key

This key is closer to D minor or D♯ minor ? Fort123 (talk) 12:11, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:45, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

This song is in D major or D♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 01:30, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:56, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Do the D major and the D♯ major sound similar for you ? Fort123 (talk) 15:48, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Similar, but not the same. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:33, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

At 2:42 until 4:36, the F♯ minor is obvious ? Fort123 (talk) 18:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes (though beginning at 3:21). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

This key is obvious or not ? Fort123 (talk) 01:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

It is quite obvious; it's in G major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:00, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
But it's not exactly in G major ? Fort123 (talk) 11:34, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Not exactly, but extremely close (since it can sound distorted). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Both are in F♯ major, isn't it ? Fort123 (talk) 01:24, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Only the former is, while the latter is in G major Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

At 1:07 until 1:30, it's in which key ? It's hard to know. Fort123 (talk) 13:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Me neither. Too hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:07, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Something like G major, E minor and C♯ minor, right ? Fort123 (talk) 15:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Probably. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:22, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

This key is obvious or not ? Fort123 (talk) 14:30, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

It is obvious. It's in G major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
It is close to F♯ major too ? Fort123 (talk) 19:14, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
It is much closer to G major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

This song is in D♯ minor, but the final tonic chord is really in D♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 11:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes. There are some compositions that start in a minor key but end in a major key, such as some of Johann Sebastian Bach's compositions, especially his Preludes and Fugues. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

At 1:14 until 1:57, it's in A♯ minor ? Fort123 (talk) 22:50, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:07, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
But the intro is in F♯ minor or G minor ? Fort123 (talk) 14:37, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
The latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:04, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

These two songs' key are different or identical? Fort123 (talk) 20:21, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Different. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

If you don't pay attention, you will misheard it in F major ? Fort123 (talk) 12:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Very unlikely. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
This key sounds a bit like F major, isn't it ? Fort123 (talk) 21:42, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

It is actually closer to F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:05, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

The key is obvious or not ? Fort123 (talk) 16:09, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

It is in F♯ major (although the intro modulates many times). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:39, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
In fact, it's in F♯ major or D♯ minor ? Fort123 (talk) 17:51, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
It begins in the latter (and is mainly in this key), but ends in the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:17, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

The intro's key is not obvious ? Fort123 (talk) 13:35, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Not obvious. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:58, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Maybe it's in G major ? Fort123 (talk) 17:32, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 04:14, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
But at 0:16, the key is lower ? Fort123 (talk) 11:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:04, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
At 0:16, it sounds something like F major ? Fort123 (talk) 20:09, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Probably. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:02, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
At 0:16 until 0:55, F major is it obvious ? Fort123 (talk) 12:05, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:32, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Have you guessed the key ? Fort123 (talk) 19:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
It is rather halfway between F major and F♯ major to me. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:43, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

This song has neither a major key nor a minor key ? Fort123 (talk) 01:19, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

It is too hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
The intro sounds a bit like C♯ minor ? Fort123 (talk) 12:30, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Close enough. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:19, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
I think that it is nether a major key nor a minor key, it's a Mixolydian mode. Fort123 (talk) 16:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

This key is closer to F major or G♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 01:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Sounds halfway between the two to me. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:26, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

language

Your parents speak Cantonese ? Fort123 (talk) 01:44, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Not me, though. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

key

At 0:01 until 0:08, it's off-tune, this singer sings in F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 13:10, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:23, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

ouin

It sounds like [wẽɪ̃] or [wãɪ̃] ? Fort123 (talk) 00:01, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:25, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Lionsgate Building (Toronto)

I removed your speedy tag on Lionsgate Building (Toronto) because the context seemed clear to me. I am not sure that the building exists, though. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:50, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Wilson

At 0:05, the woman pronounces it [wɪlsɔn] or [wɪlsõ] ? Fort123 (talk) 01:48, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

The latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:16, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

key

These two songs have a standard key or a microtone ? Fort123 (talk) 13:50, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

The former is in a standard key, while the latter is in a slight microtone. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:35, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
The former is in F major, and the latter is in F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 16:45, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Probably. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

At 0:17, the F♯ major is it noticed ? Fort123 (talk) 10:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:28, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
At 0:17 until 0:29, do you hear the key ? Fort123 (talk) 20:31, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Now I hear it clearly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
It's in F♯ major, right ? Fort123 (talk) 12:10, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it definitely is. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

At 0:04, is there something like B major ? Fort123 (talk) 00:39, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:58, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
The intro's key is clear ? Fort123 (talk) 10:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes. It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:04, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

This man plays in F major or F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 23:52, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

The former (contrary to what is shown in the subtitles). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:32, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
But it sounds like between F major and F♯ major, isn't it ? Fort123 (talk) 12:32, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
That is true, although slightly closer to F major. The guitar is not that well-tuned. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:11, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

The key is obvious or not ? Fort123 (talk) 01:02, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

It is close to F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

It is slightly closer to B major or C major ? Fort123 (talk) 20:16, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

This song is in D minor ? Fort123 (talk) 12:47, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

No. It is in E♭ minor, especially the singing part. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Which song is in F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 01:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Both. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:03, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

At 0:04, the screen says that it's in E major, but it's not true ? Fort123 (talk) 01:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

The screen is a lie. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:23, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
It's not in E major ? Fort123 (talk) 12:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
It is definitely not E major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
It's in F major ? Fort123 (talk) 15:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
To me, it is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:13, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

In your ears, you feel that this key is closer to G♭ major, but I think that it's actually between F major and G♭ major, have you misheard ? Fort123 (talk) 13:41, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I have misheard. It is actually between those two keys. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:09, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Token Vending Machine

According to this photo: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116252280251507674807/116252280251507674807/posts/gSoVVhq2fb2?hl=en&pid=6042368933836828914&oid=116252280251507674807 , there is a token vending machine at the second entrance of Scarborough Centre station. --Hum1969 (talk) 23:25, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:19, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Quebec accent

This Chinese has a Quebec accent ? He pronounces treize [tʁaɪz] at 0:13 ? Fort123 (talk) 12:23, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Presumably, he is a Canadian-born Chinese. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

song and 送

  • song :
  • 送 :

Do you hear the difference ? [sɔŋ] and [sʊŋ] ? Fort123 (talk) 16:40, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:34, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

F♯ minor

F♯ minor sounds more like A major than F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 12:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes. F♯ minor is relative to A major. Relative keys sound more like each other than parallel keys do. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:15, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

your mispronunciation

The correct pronunciation of the word mountain is [ˈmaʊntən], but [ˈmaʊnteɪn] is incorrect, will you correct your mispronunciation ? Fort123 (talk) 15:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I am used to that mispronunciation, so no. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
You knew that [ˈmaʊnteɪn] an incorrect pronunciation, but you continue to pronounce it. Fort123 (talk) 13:11, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Often, mispronunciations can lead to the creation of new accents. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
In Quebec French, tête [taɪt] is not a mispronunciation, it's a regional pronunciation. Fort123 (talk) 22:00, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
That is true. My speech does not reflect most people's. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—July and August 2014

The VisualEditor team is currently working mostly to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

Screenshot of VisualEditor's link tool
Dialog boxes in VisualEditor have been re-designed to use action words instead of icons. This has increased the number of items that need to be translated. The user guide is also being updated.

The biggest visible change since the last newsletter was to the dialog boxes. The design for each dialog box and window was simplified. The most commonly needed buttons are now at the top. Based on user feedback, the buttons are now labeled with simple words (like "Cancel" or "Done") instead of potentially confusing icons (like "<" or "X"). Many of the buttons to edit links, images, and other items now also show the linked page, image name, or other useful information when you click on them.

  • Hidden HTML comments (notes visible to editors, but not to readers) can now be read, edited, inserted, and removed. A small icon (a white exclamation mark on a dot) marks the location of each comments. You can click on the icon to see the comment.
  • You can now drag and drop text and templates as well as images. A new placement line makes it much easier to see where you are dropping the item. Images can no longer be dropped into the middle of paragraphs.
  • All references and footnotes (<ref> tags) are now made through the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" menu, including the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" (manual formatting) footnotes and the ability to re-use an existing citation, both of which were previously accessible only through the "Insert" menu. The "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-referencelist-tooltip⧽" is still added via the "Insert" menu.
  • When you add an image or other media file, you are now prompted to add an image caption immediately. You can also replace an image whilst keeping the original caption and other settings.
  • All tablet users visiting the mobile web version of Wikipedias will be able to opt-in to a version of VisualEditor from 14 August. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu.
  • The link tool has a new "Open" button that will open a linked page in another tab so you can make sure a link is the right one.
  • The "Cancel" button in the toolbar has been removed based on user testing. To cancel any edit, you can leave the page by clicking the Read tab, the back button in your browser, or closing the browser window without saving your changes.

Looking ahead

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables. Work to support Internet Explorer is ongoing.

Feedback opportunities

The Editing team will be making two presentations this weekend at Wikimania in London. The first is with product manager James Forrester and developer Trevor Parscal on Saturday at 16:30. The second is with developers Roan Kattouw and Trevor Parscal on Sunday at 12:30.

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at the VisualEditor feedback page or by joining the office hours discussion on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 09:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East and Asia) or on Thursday, 18 September 2014 at 16:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Europe).

If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

un kilomètre

If you slow down the recording, do you hear "[ɚ̃] kee-law-might" ? Fort123 (talk) 12:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

No. It sounds more like [ɚ̃] kee-low-may-tr Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Lionsgate Building (Toronto) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Lionsgate Building (Toronto) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lionsgate Building (Toronto) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:50, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

It has been deleted. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:17, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

key

This song is in F major or G major ? Fort123 (talk) 01:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Neither. It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

This song is closer to G major ? Fort123 (talk) 15:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Close but not exactly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The outro is in a major key or a minor key ? Fort123 (talk) 16:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

It is in a major key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:14, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
This song is in which key ? Fort123 (talk) 23:06, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
E♭ major I believe. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 23:32, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The G♭ major is present in this song ? Fort123 (talk) 12:39, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, around 0:45. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

This song is in F major ? Fort123 (talk) 18:06, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell, but perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:36, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

This one is clear ? Fort123 (talk) 01:28, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes. It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:05, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

G♭ major is present in this song ? Fort123 (talk) 14:41, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I believe not. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:26, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
At 0:39 until 1:07, it's not in G♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 17:53, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
It is probably not, especially the arpeggio part. It is more like E♭ minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Where is the arpeggio ? Fort123 (talk) 13:29, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
On the 0:54 mark. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
At 1:23, it's in G♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 17:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Now I can hear it! I was unsure at first. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:25, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
But I don't know that the arpeggio is considered as G♭ major or E♭ minor. 138.229.24.45 (talk) 20:15, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Me neither. It is hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

At 0:05, it plays with the xylophone ? Fort123 (talk) 15:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. It might be a vibraphone or a marimba. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

ver

Is there a difference ? Fort123 (talk) 15:09, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

The second one almost rhymes with "fire." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

key

This song is in F major or F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 21:17, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

The latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

peut-être

Have you heard [pœtæt] ? Fort123 (talk) 11:33, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

No. It sounds more like "pu-tight." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Belgian accent/Quebec accent

  • Belgium :
  • Quebec :

The difference is it obvious ? Fort123 (talk) 22:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:36, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
The Québécois pronunciation is "tight" ? Fort123 (talk) 11:39, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes. !!!!
Last time, you heard "tate", but you hear "tight" now ? Fort123 (talk) 16:37, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't remember. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:30, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

You hear [kanɑʁ], [kanɒʁ] or [kanəʁ] ? Fort123 (talk) 12:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

The first one. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:20, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

key

If you listen all the song, F♯ major is present or absent ? Fort123 (talk) 16:28, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
When does F♯ major start ? Fort123 (talk) 11:54, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
At the 1:02 mark. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:13, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Do you hear clearly the key at 0:00 until 0:10 ? Fort123 (talk) 01:34, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
After 0:10 ? Fort123 (talk) 12:30, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes. It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

This key is obvious ? Fort123 (talk) 15:19, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. It is in G major, though it sometimes modulated to E minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:24, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Wilson

[wilsɜn], [wilsɐn] or [wilsɔn] ? Fort123 (talk) 14:18, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

The middle. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:22, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
It rhymes with "jeune" ? Fort123 (talk) 16:47, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
It rhymes with "Shawn" ? Fort123 (talk) 12:17, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Very much so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:32, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

key

At 0:14 until 0:28, what is the key ? Fort123 (talk) 15:53, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:21, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
The singing part is in G major ? Fort123 (talk) 20:58, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
No. It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

This song is neither in F major nor in F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 00:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
It's lower than F♯, no ? Fort123 (talk) 01:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Very slightly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:54, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—September and October 2014

Did you know?

TemplateData is a separate program that organizes information about the parameters that can be used in a template. VisualEditor reads that data, and uses it to populate its simplified template dialogs.

With the new TemplateData editor, it is easier to add information about parameters, because the ones you need to use are pre-loaded.

See the help page for TemplateData for more information about adding TemplateData. The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing team has reduced technical debt, simplified some workflows for template and citation editing, made major progress on Internet Explorer support, and fixed over 125 bugs and requests. Several performance improvements were made, especially to the system around re-using references and reference lists. Weekly updates are posted on Mediawiki.org.

There were three issues that required urgent fixes: a deployment error that meant that many buttons didn't work correctly (bugs 69856 and 69864), a problem with edit conflicts that left the editor with nowhere to go (bug 69150), and a problem in Internet Explorer 11 that caused replaced some categories with a link to the system message, MediaWiki:Badtitletext (bug 70894) when you saved. The developers apologize for the disruption, and thank the people who reported these problems quickly.

Increased support for devices and browsers

Internet Explorer 10 and 11 users now have access to VisualEditor. This means that about 5% of Wikimedia's users will now get an "Edit" tab alongside the existing "Edit source" tab. Support for Internet Explorer 9 is planned for the future.

Tablet users browsing the site's mobile mode now have the option of using a mobile-specific form of VisualEditor. More editing tools, and availability of VisualEditor on smartphones, is planned for the future. The mobile version of VisualEditor was tweaked to show the context menu for citations instead of basic references (bug 68897). A bug that broke the editor in iOS was corrected and released early (bug 68949). For mobile tablet users, three bugs related to scrolling were fixed (bug 66697, bug 68828, bug 69630). You can use VisualEditor on the mobile version of Wikipedia from your tablet by clicking on the cog in the top-right when editing a page and choosing which editor to use.

TemplateData editor

A tool for editing TemplateData will be deployed to more Wikipedias soon.  Other Wikipedias and some other projects may receive access next month. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation.  When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template or a subpage, and then click the "Edit template data" button at the top.  Read the help page for TemplateData. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.

Other changes

Several interface messages and labels were changed to be simpler, clearer, or shorter, based on feedback from translators and editors. The formatting of dialogs was changed, and more changes to the appearance will be coming soon, when VisualEditor implements the new MediaWiki theme from Design. (A preview of the theme is available on Labs for developers.) The team also made some improvements for users of the Monobook skin that improved the size of text in toolbars and fixed selections that overlapped menus.

VisualEditor-MediaWiki now supplies the mw-redirect or mw-disambig class on links to redirects and disambiguation pages, so that user gadgets that colour in these in types of links can be created.

Templates' fields can be marked as 'required' in TemplateData. If a parameter is marked as required, then you cannot delete that field when you add a new template or edit an existing one (bug 60358). 

Language support improved by making annotations use bi-directional isolation (so they display correctly with cursoring behaviour as expected) and by fixing a bug that crashed VisualEditor when trying to edit a page with a dir attribute but no lang set (bug 69955).

Looking ahead

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon, perhaps in late October.

The team is also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables, and early work for this may appear within the month. Please comment on the design at Mediawiki.org.

In the future, real-time collaborative editing may be possible in VisualEditor. Some early preparatory work for this was recently done.

Supporting your wiki

At Wikimania, several developers gave presentations about VisualEditor. A translation sprint focused on improving access to VisualEditor was supported by many people. Deryck Chan was the top translator. Special honors also go to संजीव कुमार (Sanjeev Kumar), Robby, Takot, Bachounda, Bjankuloski06 and Ата. A summary of the work achieved by the translation community has been posted here. Thank you all for your work.

VisualEditor can be made available to most non-Wikipedia projects. If your community would like to test VisualEditor, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.

Please join the office hours on Saturday, 18 October 2014 at 18:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Africa and Europe) and on Wednesday, 19 November at 16:00 UTC on IRC.

Give feedback on VisualEditor at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback. Subscribe or unsubscribe at Meta. To help with translations, please subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact Elitre at Meta. Thank you!

— Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:10, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

TTC horns

Are TTC streetcars equipped with bells/gongs and horns/whistles as for their audible warning signals? Alex R. (Toronto) (talk) 15:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I have yet to ride on the Flexities, so I am unsure. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

key

F major is present in this video ? Fort123 (talk) 01:42, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:08, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

These three songs have a different key ? Fort123 (talk) 12:07, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

They all do. The first and the third have the most dissimilar keys. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
The third is in F major ? Fort123 (talk) 16:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
It is halfway between F major and F♯ major, though slightly closer to F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:31, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Which song is in the real G♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 12:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
The first. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:24, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

When you listen a song, are you capable to guess the key in your head at once ? Fort123 (talk) 20:03, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I have to listen to it a few times before I can determine its key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:40, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

This key is similar to F major ? 162.222.81.170 (talk) 01:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but it is not in F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:03, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
It is not in G♭ major neither ? Fort123 (talk) 20:56, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
It is very much halfway between F and G♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

key

Do you hear the key ? Fort123 (talk) 02:08, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

It is in D♭ major I believe. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

You are not familiar with D♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 13:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Not many songs you gave me are in that key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:58, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

This key is rare ? Fort123 (talk) 22:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Quite rare in fact outside of harp music. Read here: D-flat major Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

At 1:10 until 1:34, it's in F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 15:04, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:04, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
But is it similar to F♯ ? Fort123 (talk) 21:05, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Might be. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

A 5:04 until 5:10, it's in E major or E minor ? Fort123 (talk) 02:14, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:34, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

pêche

You pronounce it [pɛʃ] or [pɛːʃ] ? Fort123 (talk) 13:38, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:04, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

mountain

You pronounce it like her ([ˈmaʊntʰɪn]), right ? Fort123 (talk) 14:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. That is exactly how I pronounce it. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:05, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't rhyme with obtain ? Fort123 (talk) 11:12, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
It does to me. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:19, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Obtain is pronounced [əbˈteɪn], but mountain is pronounced [ˈmaʊntɪn], mountain actually rhymes with Martin. 138.229.17.197 (talk) 21:18, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
They all rhyme to me, except that "obtain" is slightly longer in duration. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Do you pronounce the word chocolate like him ? 64.18.87.72 (talk) 16:07, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:40, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

You pronounce it chock-litt or chock-layte ? Please be honest. 138.229.17.197 (talk) 21:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

I am actually inconsistent. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:14, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
You mean that sometimes you say [ˈtʃɔklɪt], and sometimes [ˈtʃɔkleɪt] ? 64.18.87.72 (talk) 19:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes (though unconsciously). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:05, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Do you pronounce the word limited as [ˈlɪmɪtɛd] ? 138.229.17.197 (talk) 21:38, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

No. I pronounce it as [ˈlɪmɪted] (or when speaking quickly, [ˈlɪmɪded]). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:33, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

You pronounce [ˈpɹaɪveɪt] or [ˈpɹaɪvet] for the word private ? 64.18.87.72 (talk) 18:27, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Both inconsistently. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:52, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

key

F major ? 138.229.17.197 (talk) 02:05, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
It is close to G♭ major too ? 138.229.17.197 (talk) 13:39, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Very slightly, but much closer to F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:16, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Both are close to F major ? 138.229.17.197 (talk) 02:02, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

The former is much closer to F major than the latter is. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

Hello Johnny Au:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – The Herald 12:07, 27 October 2014 (UTC)



Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

excited

Do you pronounce it as [ɛkˈsaɪteɪd] ? 199.59.78.19 (talk) 15:17, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

I pronounce it [e'ksaɪted] or [e'ksaɪteɪd]. I am that inconsistent, though I pronounce [ks] together. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:38, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Happy Halloween

Happy Halloween ! 199.59.78.19 (talk) 16:39, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:36, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
My pleasure. 199.59.78.19 (talk) 00:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

key

When I are listening a song, are you capable to assure the key without checking with the piano ? 199.59.78.19 (talk) 15:32, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:08, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
There aren't a lot of musician who can assure the key without checking with the piano. 199.59.78.19 (talk) 13:18, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
I memorized every key on the piano (and I also use Finale as well). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:56, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

At 2:02 until 2:14, maybe it's in F♯ major ? 199.59.78.19 (talk) 01:36, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell if it is in F♯ major or in F♯ minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:06, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
The home key is A major ? 138.229.24.107 (talk) 22:08, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:13, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—November 2014

Screenshot on an iPad, showing how to switch from one editor to the other
Did you know?

VisualEditor is also available on the mobile version of Wikipedia. Login and click the pencil icon to open the page you want to edit. Click on the gear-shaped settings in the upper-right corner, to pick which editor to use. Choose "Edit" to use VisualEditor, or "Edit source" to use the wikitext editor.

It will remember whether you used wikitext or VisualEditor, and use the same editor the next time you edit an article.

The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor. Not all features are available in Mobile Web.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and requests, and worked on support for editing tables and for using non-Latin languages. Their weekly updates are posted on Mediawiki.org. Informal notes from the recent quarterly review were posted on Meta.

Recent improvements

The French Wikipedia should see better search results for links, templates, and media because the new search engine was turned on for everyone there. This change is expected at the Chinese and German Wikipedias next week, and eventually at the English Wikipedia.

The "pawn" system has been mostly replaced. Bugs in this system sometimes added a chess pawn character to wikitext. The replacement provides better support for non-Latin languages, with full support hopefully coming soon.

VisualEditor is now provided to editors who use Internet Explorer 10 or 11 on desktop and mobile devices. Internet Explorer 9 is not supported yet.

The keyboard shortcuts for items in the toolbar's menus are now shown in the menus. VisualEditor will replace the existing design with a new theme from the User Experience / Design group. The appearance of dialogs has already changed in one Mobile version. The appearance on desktops will change soon. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" design and the new "MediaWiki" theme which will replace it.)

Several bugs were fixed for internal and external links. Improvements to MediaWiki's search solved an annoying problem: If you searched for the full name of the page or file that you wanted to link, sometimes the search program could not find the page. A link inside a template, to a local page that does not exist, will now show red, exactly as it does when reading the page. Due to a error, for about two weeks this also affected all external links inside templates. Opening an auto-numbered link node like [1] with the keyboard used to open the wrong link tool. These problems have all been fixed.

TemplateData

The tool for quickly editing TemplateData will be deployed to all Wikimedia Foundation wikis on Thursday, 6 November.  This tool is already available on the biggest 40 Wikipedias, and now all wikis will have access to it. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation.  When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template or a subpage, and then click the "Edit template data" button at the top.  Read the help page for TemplateData. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.

You can use the new autovalue setting to pre-load a value into a template. This can be used to substitute dates, as in this example, or to add the most common response for that parameter. The autovalue can be easily overridden by the editor, by typing something else in the field.

In TemplateData, you may define a parameter as "required". The template dialog in VisualEditor will warn editors if they leave a "required" parameter empty, and they will not be able to delete that parameter. If the template can function without this parameter, then please mark it as "suggested" or "optional" in TemplateData instead.

Looking ahead

Basic support for inserting tables and changing the number of rows and columns in tables will appear next Wednesday. Advanced features, like dragging columns to different places, will be possible later. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. To help editors find the most important items more quickly, some items in the toolbar menus will be hidden behind a "More" item, such as "underlining" in the styling menu. The appearance of the media search dialog will improve, to make picking between possible images easier and more visual. The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap.

The user guide will be updated soon to add information about editing tables. The translations for most languages except Spanish, French, and Dutch are significantly out of date. Please help complete the current translations for users who speak your language. Talk to us if you need help exporting the translated guide to your wiki.

You can influence VisualEditor's design. Tell the VisualEditor team what you want changed during the office hours via IRC. The next sessions are on Wednesday, 19 November at 16:00 UTC and on Wednesday 7 January 2015 at 22:00 UTC. You can also share your ideas at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.

Also, user experience researcher Abbey Ripstra is looking for editors to show her how they edit Wikipedia. Please sign up for the research program if you would like to hear about opportunities.

If you would like to help with translations of this newsletter, please subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Subscribe or unsubscribe at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter. Thank you!

— Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:41, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

key

At 0:17 until 0:29, it's in F major or D minor ? 198.99.30.135 (talk) 00:58, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Neither. It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:42, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Wilson

This pronunciation rhymes with what ? 162.247.121.28 (talk) 02:39, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

It rhymes with any word that ends with an "ohng" sound. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:50, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

key

This song is in F♯ major ? 162.247.121.28 (talk) 17:10, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:17, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

F♯ major is obvious here ? 162.247.124.135 (talk) 01:23, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:12, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

西

You're heard "see" or "she" ? 162.247.124.135 (talk) 15:43, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

The latter, though it sounds more like "shi". Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:30, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't sound like the word she in English ? 162.247.124.135 (talk) 16:34, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Not exactly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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